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lobb152
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Why do Americans, and I am going to stereotype here: white, Republican, young and old, have such a nationalistic sense of entitlement to this place. Just because History is history doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You were not the first people here. You came by boat too. I do not need to mention what happened to the native peoples here and the struggles they continue to face. The ideas that we should close the border, build walls, or kick everyone who is here illegally out is just crazy to me. The Statue of Liberty:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Thinking of the history of the United States and the ideals it was supposedly built upon there is a massive disconnect when I hear about what’s going on in Arizona. You could be a Mexican American: third, fourth, fifth generation, walking down the street and be stopped. If you’re white just try and pretend how that would feel if the tables were turned. “This cop is asking me if I belong here because I look white. Are you serious. I have lived here my whole life, born and raised,” is what you might think. Concerning those who are here ‘illegally,’ at the end of the day, they are just people like you and me. People who are trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. They do the jobs no one really wants to do for pay no one really likes. None of you would have roofs on your homes. I cannot fault an individual who’s willing to travel that distance, take that amount of danger and uncertainty to try and pursue a dream. A dream that we wave in the face of everyone. The “I’m already here; I’m OK Jack” attitude is not a very compassionate lens to view the world through. That is what it’s all about: compassion for human being.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Thinking of the history of the United States and the ideals it was supposedly built upon there is a massive disconnect when I hear about what’s going on in Arizona. You could be a Mexican American: third, fourth, fifth generation, walking down the street and be stopped. If you’re white just try and pretend how that would feel if the tables were turned. “This cop is asking me if I belong here because I look white. Are you serious. I have lived here my whole life, born and raised,” is what you might think. Concerning those who are here ‘illegally,’ at the end of the day, they are just people like you and me. People who are trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. They do the jobs no one really wants to do for pay no one really likes. None of you would have roofs on your homes. I cannot fault an individual who’s willing to travel that distance, take that amount of danger and uncertainty to try and pursue a dream. A dream that we wave in the face of everyone. The “I’m already here; I’m OK Jack” attitude is not a very compassionate lens to view the world through. That is what it’s all about: compassion for human being.
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lobb152 wrote:Why do Americans, and I am going to stereotype here: white, Republican, young and old, have such a nationalistic sense of entitlement to this place. Just because History is history doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You were not the first people here. You came by boat too. I do not need to mention what happened to the native peoples here and the struggles they continue to face. The ideas that we should close the border, build walls, or kick everyone who is here illegally out is just crazy to me. The Statue of Liberty:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Thinking of the history of the United States and the ideals it was supposedly built upon there is a massive disconnect when I hear about what’s going on in Arizona. You could be a Mexican American: third, fourth, fifth generation, walking down the street and be stopped. If you’re white just try and pretend how that would feel if the tables were turned. “This cop is asking me if I belong here because I look white. Are you serious. I have lived here my whole life, born and raised,” is what you might think. Concerning those who are here ‘illegally,’ at the end of the day, they are just people like you and me. People who are trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. They do the jobs no one really wants to do for pay no one really likes. None of you would have roofs on your homes. I cannot fault an individual who’s willing to travel that distance, take that amount of danger and uncertainty to try and pursue a dream. A dream that we wave in the face of everyone. The “I’m already here; I’m OK Jack” attitude is not a very compassionate lens to view the world through. That is what it’s all about: compassion for human being.
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lobb152 wrote:Why do Americans, and I am going to stereotype here: white, Republican, young and old, have such a nationalistic sense of entitlement to this place. Just because History is history doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You were not the first people here. You came by boat too. I do not need to mention what happened to the native peoples here and the struggles they continue to face. The ideas that we should close the border, build walls, or kick everyone who is here illegally out is just crazy to me. The Statue of Liberty:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Thinking of the history of the United States and the ideals it was supposedly built upon there is a massive disconnect when I hear about what’s going on in Arizona. You could be a Mexican American: third, fourth, fifth generation, walking down the street and be stopped. If you’re white just try and pretend how that would feel if the tables were turned. “This cop is asking me if I belong here because I look white. Are you serious. I have lived here my whole life, born and raised,” is what you might think. Concerning those who are here ‘illegally,’ at the end of the day, they are just people like you and me. People who are trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. They do the jobs no one really wants to do for pay no one really likes. None of you would have roofs on your homes. I cannot fault an individual who’s willing to travel that distance, take that amount of danger and uncertainty to try and pursue a dream. A dream that we wave in the face of everyone. The “I’m already here; I’m OK Jack” attitude is not a very compassionate lens to view the world through. That is what it’s all about: compassion for human being.
Excellent post!
Regarding the part I underlined, though... what's absolutely amazing to me and I think is telling of some of the attitude here is that you really do need to mention the struggles the native people continue to face, for instance. As a matter of fact, someone right on this forum said just a couple of days ago that "The Indians are set up now"! I was just floored. But with beliefs like that, it's no wonder we have attitudes that precipitate laws like this. :(0 -
I don't understand why people have so much sympathy towards ILLEGAL aliens. They are here ILLEGALY so why should we give them rights? If the cops want to stop and question people it really shouldn't bother them if they have nothing to hide.
Watch Bill and Geraldo go at it. Personally.....I agree with Bill on this one.
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lobb152 wrote:Why do Americans, and I am going to stereotype here: white, Republican, young and old, have such a nationalistic sense of entitlement to this place. Just because History is history doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You were not the first people here. You came by boat too. I do not need to mention what happened to the native peoples here and the struggles they continue to face. The ideas that we should close the border, build walls, or kick everyone who is here illegally out is just crazy to me. The Statue of Liberty:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Thinking of the history of the United States and the ideals it was supposedly built upon there is a massive disconnect when I hear about what’s going on in Arizona. You could be a Mexican American: third, fourth, fifth generation, walking down the street and be stopped. If you’re white just try and pretend how that would feel if the tables were turned. “This cop is asking me if I belong here because I look white. Are you serious. I have lived here my whole life, born and raised,” is what you might think. Concerning those who are here ‘illegally,’ at the end of the day, they are just people like you and me. People who are trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. They do the jobs no one really wants to do for pay no one really likes. None of you would have roofs on your homes. I cannot fault an individual who’s willing to travel that distance, take that amount of danger and uncertainty to try and pursue a dream. A dream that we wave in the face of everyone. The “I’m already here; I’m OK Jack” attitude is not a very compassionate lens to view the world through. That is what it’s all about: compassion for human being.
Agreed, the same thing was said when the Patriot Act was made law and we now see how well that went over and I'm going to Phoenix for one month this summer. Yikes!*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
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mb262200 wrote:I don't understand why people have so much sympathy towards ILLEGAL aliens. They are here ILLEGALY so why should we give them rights? If the cops want to stop and question people it really shouldn't bother them if they have nothing to hide.
Watch Bill and Geraldo go at it. Personally.....I agree with Bill on this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lb3oFzC ... re=related
I can't watch the video but I fully agree with with your comment,+1 :thumbup:
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mb262200 wrote:I don't understand why people have so much sympathy towards ILLEGAL aliens. They are here ILLEGALY so why should we give them rights? If the cops want to stop and question people it really shouldn't bother them if they have nothing to hide.
Watch Bill and Geraldo go at it. Personally.....I agree with Bill on this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lb3oFzC ... re=related
Since more people are dying from illegal immigrants than in Iraq what do you think the right solution is?
I've got an idea? End the bullshit war and special ops and use that money on our own country and fix the illegal immigration issue.NERDS!0 -
First of all, the argument people make that they are "here to do the work that no one else will do, at wages no one else will work for" is disgusting. These human beings are being used and in some cases abused. It is nothing more than modern-day slavery. Simple as that. Oh, but I guess since their masters give them $25 (many get paid much less) for breaking their fucking back in the hot sun all day, I guess that makes it alright.
As far as the new law is concerned, I really have no problem with it and I doubt it will be the gestapo everyone is trying to make it out to be. If it is, then I will fully condemn such bullshit. However, if I get pulled over, the police will ask me for my license, and I must provide that or suffer the consequences. Infact, the police can ask for your license at any time (yes, I know some people think you don't have to show it, but try arguing with the cop about it).
I guess I just don't see the problem with enforcing the law. The state actually wouldn't be in this position if the government did it's job to begin with. No, what am I thinking, the government isn't there to protect our borders, they're too busy forcing us to buy health insurance. There are millions of people that come to this country every single year through legal channels. This process costs time and money. So, how is it fair to those people who do things by the book, when we treat people who break the law as victims?0 -
lobb152 wrote:The ideas that we should close the border, build walls, or kick everyone who is here illegally out is just crazy to me. The Statue of Liberty:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
I am from Canada but last week I was in NYC and I went to the Ellis Island immigration museum. It was pretty amazing the fact that back when that place was used, it was pretty much if you had the means to get to the United States, had a little bit of money and wanted to contribute to society, as long as you weren’t a criminal and you didn’t have any contagious diseases you were pretty much welcomed in. My understanding is that one of the big reasons there is illegal immigration is because it is extremly difficult to emigrate to the United States legally. Why is that?0 -
The more I have thought about this issue, the more convinced I have become that there will be few police jurisdictions that would come within ten yards of implementing this bill. Too much liability and I'm sure special rights groups will be looking to strike down and make a living hell to the first cops that do follow up with the bill.
I think this is more of a political jousting issue then anything.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
Kel Varnsen wrote:lobb152 wrote:The ideas that we should close the border, build walls, or kick everyone who is here illegally out is just crazy to me. The Statue of Liberty:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
I am from Canada but last week I was in NYC and I went to the Ellis Island immigration museum. It was pretty amazing the fact that back when that place was used, it was pretty much if you had the means to get to the United States, had a little bit of money and wanted to contribute to society, as long as you weren’t a criminal and you didn’t have any contagious diseases you were pretty much welcomed in. My understanding is that one of the big reasons there is illegal immigration is because it is extremly difficult to emigrate to the United States legally. Why is that?
back then our population was a lot less compared to today not tosay thats a excuse to get rid of illegals.
also who wrote :Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!":
I really don't know ..was it a American or the French ?
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lobb152 wrote:Why do Americans, and I am going to stereotype here: white, Republican, young and old, have such a nationalistic sense of entitlement to this place. Just because History is history doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You were not the first people here. You came by boat too. I do not need to mention what happened to the native peoples here and the struggles they continue to face. The ideas that we should close the border, build walls, or kick everyone who is here illegally out is just crazy to me. The Statue of Liberty:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Thinking of the history of the United States and the ideals it was supposedly built upon there is a massive disconnect when I hear about what’s going on in Arizona. You could be a Mexican American: third, fourth, fifth generation, walking down the street and be stopped. If you’re white just try and pretend how that would feel if the tables were turned. “This cop is asking me if I belong here because I look white. Are you serious. I have lived here my whole life, born and raised,” is what you might think. Concerning those who are here ‘illegally,’ at the end of the day, they are just people like you and me. People who are trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. They do the jobs no one really wants to do for pay no one really likes. None of you would have roofs on your homes. I cannot fault an individual who’s willing to travel that distance, take that amount of danger and uncertainty to try and pursue a dream. A dream that we wave in the face of everyone. The “I’m already here; I’m OK Jack” attitude is not a very compassionate lens to view the world through. That is what it’s all about: compassion for human being.
So what we should just have open boarders and just let people come here from other countries wthout knowing who they are and why they are here?
Are you Nuts ? Do you have any Idea or clue for that matter that there are many people in this world who would love to see another 911 happen. Not to mention we already have people living here that feel that way.
Also there are many people here that have immagrated here from other countries who love this country who agree with what Arizona did.All they are doing is enforcing federal law. Another thing to, If you are in this country on a visa for school, work, or are here visiting you must always have the correct documentation with you at all times. Why is that such a big deal ? You have to do the same thing in other countries as well and I don't hear any of you crying about any civil rights being violated . As a matter of fact why don't you go down to mexico and get caught with out your passport and see what happens. The fedaralies are just wonderful people :roll:
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU COULD GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
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I think many of you who are against this bill are in denial or are cluless to just how bad the problem is on these boarder states. Yesterday and last night I listened to a talk show and there were calls after calls coming in from residents who lived on the boarder many who were latinos and who are terrified right now bcos of gangs and all the killing that is happening. Children can't even go outside to play or walk to school one caller said.
and no one is going to be asked to show anything in Az if there is not probable cause. It clearly says that in the Bill that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.
and Obama is clearly lying when he said what he said yesterday about going out for ice cream. If you ask me he clearly trying to divide us as a nation.
Also I have nothing against anybody who comes here that want to make a better life for themselves and their family. What logical and decent person would ? But do it the right way bcos it's not fair to the hundres of thousands of immagrants that came before them that did.0 -
prfctlefts wrote:Why do Americans, and I am going to stereotype here: white, Republican, young and old, have such a nationalistic sense of entitlement to this place. Just because History is history doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You were not the first people here. You came by boat too. I do not need to mention what happened to the native peoples here and the struggles they continue to face. The ideas that we should close the border, build walls, or kick everyone who is here illegally out is just crazy to me. The Statue of Liberty:
Why ??? Because we have freedoms in this county like no other thats why.Because people died fighting for this country that's why. Because you can follow whatever dreams you might have thats why in this country thats why..
You also make the assertion that white ,republican males ony feel this way.. I got news for you dude.. There are millions of people in this country that are women, democrat, black, and from other countries that feel this way.
and what didn't happen ??? If you are talking about the indians and salvery I suggest you go and look up Old Hickory and see what party he started .0 -
mb262200 wrote:I don't understand why people have so much sympathy towards ILLEGAL aliens.
People have sympathy toward illegal immigrants because they are our fellow human beings. The only difference between them and us, many of us believe, is that they have come here illegally. Should we cease to have any sympathy for all our fellow human being as soon as they have committed ANY crime? Who among us has never committed a crime?0 -
Shawshank wrote:As far as the new law is concerned, I really have no problem with it and I doubt it will be the gestapo everyone is trying to make it out to be. If it is, then I will fully condemn such bullshit. However, if I get pulled over, the police will ask me for my license, and I must provide that or suffer the consequences. Infact, the police can ask for your license at any time (yes, I know some people think you don't have to show it, but try arguing with the cop about it).
Actually, your Texas driver's license does not count as proof of legality under this bill, and neither does my New Mexico one. The only driver's license that counts is an Arizona one. So will we need to carry our passports or birth certificates? It seems so. And that is not something the police can traditionally as you for at any time.0 -
prfctlefts wrote:
Why ??? Because we have freedoms in this county like no other thats why.
How do you figure that the United States has freedoms like no other coutry?0 -
prfctlefts wrote:So what we should just have open boarders and just let people come here from other countries wthout knowing who they are and why they are here?
I sure hope you don't think a good command of the English language should be necessary for people to be here.prfctlefts wrote:All they are doing is enforcing federal law.
I still don't know why you keep saying this. As I pointed out in the other thread, it is very clear that this law is not just a repetition of the federal law, as you keep saying, but in fact creates crimes and penalties that are "in addition to" any violation of or penalty prescribed by the federal law. Furthermore, it makes you a felon if you are busted twice.prfctlefts wrote:Another thing to, If you are in this country on a visa for school, work, or are here visiting you must always have the correct documentation with you at all times. Why is that such a big deal ?
It just boggles my mind that you keep ignoring the fact that it's not just immigrants who will have to carry their paperwork.prfctlefts wrote:I think many of you who are against this bill are in denial or are cluless to just how bad the problem is on these boarder states. Yesterday and last night I listened to a talk show and there were calls after calls coming in from residents who lived on the boarder many who were latinos and who are terrified right now bcos of gangs and all the killing that is happening. Children can't even go outside to play or walk to school one caller said.
Dude, you've gotta stop listening to these talk shows and get a grip. Though no doubt there's a problem, you are blowing it way out of proportion. How does being so inflammatory help your argument? That kind of bullshit only works on people who just believe anything they hear on the radio.prfctlefts wrote:and no one is going to be asked to show anything in Az if there is not probable cause.
Again, as I pointed out in the other thread where I quoted the bill word for word, probable cause is not necessary. Only suspicion is necessary.prfctlefts wrote:It clearly says that in the Bill that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.
Also from the other thread:
I was sure to note the part you keep quoting about how they're not supposed to solely consider race. But here's the thing:
1. This only means that they can find a person suspect based on their race if they can identify ANY other pre-judged indicator of illegality. For instance, if someone is Hispanic and wearing certain clothes. If someone is brown and near the border. If someone is Mexican and a victim of domestic violence (if their prejudice tells them that victims of domestic violence are more likely to be here illegally). Does this not, then, allow profiling based on individual prejudices?
2. Just because they're not supposed to solely consider race doesn't by any understanding of reality mean they won't. And what's stopping them? The person being questioned has not only the burden of proof of legality, but also the burden to prove that the cop acted solely based on race. The cop has the benefit of being presumed innocent until proven guilty. And we all know that most regular citizens and legal immigrants don't have the resources to fight this battle against the cops. Plus, if they did fight, they would likely be subject to even more harassment. So how exactly does this one line in this law really protect anyone?0 -
scb wrote:Shawshank wrote:As far as the new law is concerned, I really have no problem with it and I doubt it will be the gestapo everyone is trying to make it out to be. If it is, then I will fully condemn such bullshit. However, if I get pulled over, the police will ask me for my license, and I must provide that or suffer the consequences. Infact, the police can ask for your license at any time (yes, I know some people think you don't have to show it, but try arguing with the cop about it).
Actually, your Texas driver's license does not count as proof of legality under this bill, and neither does my New Mexico one. The only driver's license that counts is an Arizona one. So will we need to carry our passports or birth certificates? It seems so. And that is not something the police can traditionally as you for at any time.
Are you serious, you mean for the fricking month I'm going be in that sweltering heat i'm going to have carry my passport. I'm driving from South Florida to Phoenix and i'll carry my PP but not everyday while in town, that's crazy.
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Another ? I have is
Can any one please tell me where in this biil and why is it in constituional ? I keep hearing this from a lot of people.
one more thing....
I keep hearing from MSM outlets that this bill and AZ is like or reminds them Nazi Germany.... :roll: IMO is absured, But,
How so ? The illegals immagrants that came to AZ did not arrive in shackles or in Box cars like the jews did. They came on their own accord and they can leave if they choose to do so.0 -
scb wrote:prfctlefts wrote:So what we should just have open boarders and just let people come here from other countries wthout knowing who they are and why they are here?
I sure hope you don't think a good command of the English language should be necessary for people to be here.prfctlefts wrote:All they are doing is enforcing federal law.
I still don't know why you keep saying this. As I pointed out in the other thread, it is very clear that this law is not just a repetition of the federal law, as you keep saying, but in fact creates crimes and penalties that are "in addition to" any violation of or penalty prescribed by the federal law. Furthermore, it makes you a felon if you are busted twice.prfctlefts wrote:Another thing to, If you are in this country on a visa for school, work, or are here visiting you must always have the correct documentation with you at all times. Why is that such a big deal ?
It just boggles my mind that you keep ignoring the fact that it's not just immigrants who will have to carry their paperwork.prfctlefts wrote:I think many of you who are against this bill are in denial or are cluless to just how bad the problem is on these boarder states. Yesterday and last night I listened to a talk show and there were calls after calls coming in from residents who lived on the boarder many who were latinos and who are terrified right now bcos of gangs and all the killing that is happening. Children can't even go outside to play or walk to school one caller said.
Dude, you've gotta stop listening to these talk shows and get a grip. Though no doubt there's a problem, you are blowing it way out of proportion. How does being so inflammatory help your argument? That kind of bullshit only works on people who just believe anything they hear on the radio.prfctlefts wrote:and no one is going to be asked to show anything in Az if there is not probable cause.
Again, as I pointed out in the other thread where I quoted the bill word for word, probable cause is not necessary. Only suspicion is necessary.prfctlefts wrote:It clearly says that in the Bill that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.
Also from the other thread:
I was sure to note the part you keep quoting about how they're not supposed to solely consider race. But here's the thing:
1. This only means that they can find a person suspect based on their race if they can identify ANY other pre-judged indicator of illegality. For instance, if someone is Hispanic and wearing certain clothes. If someone is brown and near the border. If someone is Mexican and a victim of domestic violence (if their prejudice tells them that victims of domestic violence are more likely to be here illegally). Does this not, then, allow profiling based on individual prejudices?
2. Just because they're not supposed to solely consider race doesn't by any understanding of reality mean they won't. And what's stopping them? The person being questioned has not only the burden of proof of legality, but also the burden to prove that the cop acted solely based on race. The cop has the benefit of being presumed innocent until proven guilty. And we all know that most regular citizens and legal immigrants don't have the resources to fight this battle against the cops. Plus, if they did fight, they would likely be subject to even more harassment. So how exactly does this one line in this law really protect anyone?
whatever, you and I totally dissagree on this whole subject I think you are wrong on all points.0 -
prfctlefts wrote:whatever, you and I totally dissagree on this whole subject I think you are wrong on all points.
It's one thing to have a difference of opinion, which we have. It's another thing to blatantly misrepresent what is said in the law, which you are doing.0
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