Kucinich on the latest health care reform bill

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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,253
    aerial wrote:
    What did the guys sign say?....and why was he sitting in the road in front of the demonstrators....looks to me as though he was looking for confrontation of some sort......

    Only a Teabagger's way of thinking he was asking for it therefore he should be punished and berated, tells a lot about you TBer's.

    peace
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    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,253
    aerial wrote:

    CLASSIC....*No Peace....No Pussy* :D

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,076
    aerial wrote:
    So a ride on Air Force One with Obama made everything that he was against in this bill okay? Either he was strong armed or was bribed....The man is weak!


    yeah so sticking to your principles instead of looking for a compromise to further benefit the country is a bad thing?? this bill can always be strengthened later down the line, and who knows, perhaps that grayson bill for single payor could be included in the bill before the final vote? last i checked it was a sign of a mature, clear thinking mind to constantly re-evaluate your stance on issues, talk to others and create a dialogue and possibly a compromise instead of maintaining the status quo simply because the person you are talking with has a different letter after their name....

    and people wonder why the gop lost the presidency and both houses of congress and you wonder why they look like the assholes in the health care debate.....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,076
    aerial wrote:
    i find your link to be very disgusting. the mission statement of "target of opportunity" is to "eliminate the planet of liberals" ...nice hate page there...why not just link us to aryan nation or the kkk pages?? if you align yourself with groups like this, you have shown your true colors, and they are not red, white, or blue, more like yellow for cowardice and black for evil.... :evil:

    here is the link to their main page...

    http://www.targetofopportunity.com/
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    aerial wrote:
    i find your link to be very disgusting. the mission statement of "target of opportunity" is to "eliminate the planet of liberals" ...nice hate page there...why not just link us to aryan nation or the kkk pages?? if you align yourself with groups like this, you have shown your true colors, and they are not red, white, or blue, more like yellow for cowardice and black for evil.... :evil:

    here is the link to their main page...

    http://www.targetofopportunity.com/

    Yikes. That whole site is f'd up
  • Starfall
    Starfall Posts: 548
    g under p wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    What did the guys sign say?....and why was he sitting in the road in front of the demonstrators....looks to me as though he was looking for confrontation of some sort......

    Only a Teabagger's way of thinking he was asking for it therefore he should be punished and berated, tells a lot about you TBer's.

    peace

    I seem to remember an enumerated right to peacably assemble...





    .... Oh yeah, the First Amendment. :mrgreen:
    "It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    aerial wrote:
    http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/03/latest_health_care_reform_bill.html

    Dennis Kucinich: Latest health care reform bill leaves Americans vulnerable to insurance companies

    Dennis Kucinich / U.S. Representative
    President Barack Obama is in northern Ohio on Monday to campaign for his health care plan, and I will be here to welcome him. I have met with the president three times to discuss how we can work together to address the serious deficiencies in our health care system. Even at this late date, I am hopeful that the White House will be able to reinstate key reforms that passed the Education and Labor Committee on which I serve.

    Unfortunately, the president's plan, as it currently stands, leaves patients financially vulnerable to insurance companies. It requires all Americans to buy private health insurance policies, while failing to ensure those policies do what they are supposed to do -- protect people from financial catastrophe caused by injury or illness.

    Comprehensive health insurance is a matter of economic security. While many Americans don't have health insurance at all, many more Americans have health insurance that doesn't pay for care when they get sick or injured. When that happens, illness can lead to economic ruin. Half the personal bankruptcies in America occur because health insurance companies refuse to pay medical bills.

    Unfortunately, if the president's plan becomes law without substantive change, you would still be only a major illness or injury away from personal bankruptcy, except the federal government will have required you to buy a private health insurance policy.

    Over the years, I have held many town hall meetings in the 10th District on health care. I am the co-author of H.R. 676, a bill that would improve Medicare and extend its coverage to those under age 65.

    This past year, as reform legislation began to take shape, I led a group of members of Congress to create a set of policies that clarified elements of a suitable compromise. I joined a majority of the 77 members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus who promised to oppose any legislation that did not include a public option.

    When a bill was considered in the Committee on Education and Labor last summer, I worked hard to improve it. I won five separate amendments, each of which improved the bill significantly. A key improvement was my amendment to allow states to implement a single-payer plan, the only model proven to control costs while covering everyone.

    The amendment waived the application of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act for any state that signs into law a single-payer health care plan. My budget-neutral amendment was passed by a bipartisan vote of 27-19. The promise of single-payer health care reform in the states constituted a safety net, if the underlying bill otherwise failed to control costs.

    I voted for this version of the health care bill, and it passed in committee. It was a compromise, but a reasonable one. However, the version of the bill that reached the House floor was considerably watered down. It had a severely weakened public option and the employee-retirement waiver had been stripped. It no longer constituted an incremental step forward that would provide relief to my constituents, so I could not support it. The version of the bill that passed the Senate was even worse.

    Absent a strong public option or legal protection for states that wish to pursue single payer, the bill that the president is proposing is a step in the wrong direction. Even with the few modest improvements in the bill, the insurance companies will still have dozens of loopholes to deny care and continue to find ways to leave Americans with the unpayable bill.

    Kucinich, a Democrat, represents Ohio Congressional District 10.
    So a ride on Air Force One with Obama made everything that he was against in this bill okay? Either he was strong armed or was bribed....The man is weak!


    not unless the circled cleveland a few timeas as obama came to kucinich
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    aerial wrote:


    making a sign that says 'Israel Out Of The Occupied Territories!' makes a person an anti-semite? wow, i see they've really lowered the bar lately.... :roll:
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,253
    Smellyman wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    i find your link to be very disgusting. the mission statement of "target of opportunity" is to "eliminate the planet of liberals" ...nice hate page there...why not just link us to aryan nation or the kkk pages?? if you align yourself with groups like this, you have shown your true colors, and they are not red, white, or blue, more like yellow for cowardice and black for evil.... :evil:

    here is the link to their main page...

    http://www.targetofopportunity.com/

    Yikes. That whole site is f'd up

    Yes indeed it is, I wonder how she came about finding a place like that?

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,352
    If you guys didn't see it, check out Kucinich on Real Time last night.

    Bill asks him about his chance of stance and Kucinich explained it well (IMO).
  • aerial wrote:
    what a messed up website you have linked us to there Aerial. how do you just stumble across something like that :?

    oh and while we are at it, Ann Wright is an amazing woman. i wish there were more like her.
  • Dear Mr. Kucinich,

    You are a cowardly bastard. You have let me down for the last time. In fact, my respect and admiration for you are so low at the moment, you can only meet or exceed the most basic expectations. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

    Quite Disrespectfully,

    Mr. Rosewater
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    aerial wrote:
    what a messed up website you have linked us to there Aerial. how do you just stumble across something like that :?

    oh and while we are at it, Ann Wright is an amazing woman. i wish there were more like her.
    Probably the same way they stumbled upon the "Tea Partiers Mock Parkinson's Victim" link
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,076
    aerial wrote:
    Probably the same way they stumbled upon the "Tea Partiers Mock Parkinson's Victim" link
    actually i saw that "tea partiers mock parkinson's victim" video on yahoo.com...nice reach though..
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Starfall
    Starfall Posts: 548
    aerial wrote:
    Probably the same way they stumbled upon the "Tea Partiers Mock Parkinson's Victim" link
    actually i saw that "tea partiers mock parkinson's victim" video on yahoo.com...nice reach though..

    That's typical of right wingers' false equivalence - take something that's true (usually from the Democrats, and equate it with something that's false (usually from Republicans), and call them both equal.

    We see it all the time in education ("We should present both intelligent design and Evolution together and teach the controversy"), politics ( Republicans pushing through their agenda is OK, but Democrats need to do what Republicans want and be bipartisan), and the media (Bill Clinton lying about sex is just as bad as George W Bush lying about Iraqi WMD).
    "It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,076
    Starfall wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Probably the same way they stumbled upon the "Tea Partiers Mock Parkinson's Victim" link
    actually i saw that "tea partiers mock parkinson's victim" video on yahoo.com...nice reach though..

    That's typical of right wingers' false equivalence - take something that's true (usually from the Democrats, and equate it with something that's false (usually from Republicans), and call them both equal.

    We see it all the time in education ("We should present both intelligent design and Evolution together and teach the controversy"), politics ( Republicans pushing through their agenda is OK, but Democrats need to do what Republicans want and be bipartisan), and the media (Bill Clinton lying about sex is just as bad as George W Bush lying about Iraqi WMD).
    she was implying i did a google search to scour all of these wingnut websites to find that video when it was clearly onthe news section of yahoo.com with over a million views....seriously, i don't have the effort to scour the far reaches of cyberspace to prove a point. most of the time i stumble on to things from news sites...

    i agree with you by the way.

    kucinich did the right thing, and he will be vindicated with re-election.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."