limited edition vinyl records,why?

daveten
daveten Ireland Posts: 143
edited September 2008 in The Porch
with benny hall ,live on two legs,in to the wild,binural etc all being very [limited],pj should know that they are hurting their fans,so many are very loyal,we the fans have to dig deep to buy these lps from places like ebay ect,an extra few thousand could very easy be pressed at very little cost,even if they were more expensive from the ten club,the fans on this board would pay it,also if someone new discovers pearl jam tomorrow its going to be impossible for them to start collecting pj vinyl,unless the spend a vast amount of cash,im not putting the band down by the way,they must know whats happening on e bay?
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,080
    the solution is that you don't have to dig deep to get these albums. No one is forcing you to buy the albums off of eBay. If it is out of your price range, dont buy it.

    Stay ahead of the album trends. Yeah binaural is out of print and is too spendy to buy. Move on and buy an album that is affordable and may become an investment in the future. That way you can sell it off when it becomes worth something, then you can take that profit and buy whatever pearl jam album you want with it.

    A collection is only worth collecting because these records are an investment and there is the thrill of the hunt in the process of collecting them.

    If you could have immediate gratification with being able to have every vinyl you want all at once and they will never gain in value, then what's the point? There's other music formats for that such as CD's or MP3's.
  • PJPAT
    PJPAT Posts: 399
    My record player is broke so my vinyl is collecting dust.

    I like them to listen to but glad they are rare in case I get in a bind I can sell them. Just like the boxes of baseball cards I have been moving around with me since my childhood.
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  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,829
    daveten wrote:
    with benny hall ,live on two legs,in to the wild,binural etc all being very [limited],pj should know that they are hurting their fans,so many are very loyal,we the fans have to dig deep to buy these lps from places like ebay ect,an extra few thousand could very easy be pressed at very little cost,even if they were more expensive from the ten club,the fans on this board would pay it,also if someone new discovers pearl jam tomorrow its going to be impossible for them to start collecting pj vinyl,unless the spend a vast amount of cash,im not putting the band down by the way,they must know whats happening on e bay?

    If they start printing new copies, the compromise the integrity of the process.
  • daveten
    daveten Ireland Posts: 143
    my point is why should they be so limited to just a few thousand copies?there is no real reson for this.
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  • Hawkshore
    Hawkshore Posts: 2,185
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    If they start printing new copies, the compromise the integrity of the process.


    And if he was a real fan he would make more money to buy them!
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,080
    daveten wrote:
    my point is why should they be so limited to just a few thousand copies?there is no real reson for this.


    the real reason is because it becomes an investment and the people who have the biggest pay off of those investments are those who were orginal fans of the album in the first place.
  • southerngarden
    southerngarden Posts: 512
    mookeywrench wrote:
    the real reason is because it becomes an investment and the people who have the biggest pay off of those investments are those who were orginal fans of the album in the first place.


    this makes no sense...are you saying that if i didint like no code when it came out but i like it now i have no right to want the vinyl edition? if i didnt buy it the day it came out then im not a true fan? you think the band makes these limited so their fans can manke money off of them? these are not investments for you guys to make money on...

    im with the original poster here...nobody has given any good reason as to why these are so limited....what is the point? id love to have 4 12in wax pieces full of live pearl jam but it was limitied to 2000 copies...WHY? so 2000 pearl jam fans can feel cooler then the rest? why not just print some more...

    these are records people...not investments....if you walk into a record store wanting to buy the new pearl jam album on vinyl so that you can keep it sealed and flip it in a few years for 10 times what you paid you dont deserve to have the record at all...

    pearl jam doenst release a limited amount of these so that the "true fans" can make money off an "investment" . I know thats not the reason...but what is?

    why not release twice as many? why not 4 times as many? are they worried they are gonna sit on 10c like the skateboards?

    what is the point?
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,080
    southerngarden wrote:
    this makes no sense...are you saying that if i didint like no code when it came out but i like it now i have no right to want the vinyl edition? if i didnt buy it the day it came out then im not a true fan? you think the band makes these limited so their fans can manke money off of them? these are not investments for you guys to make money on...

    That's actually not at all what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that the people who supported no code when it first came out bought it on vinyl for 12 bucks. They played it, enjoyed it, listened to it, etc. etc.

    Now that they have enjoyed and held onto that vinyl for so long, they now get to have a biggest pay off relative to fans who have just decided to want No Code which is either still holding onto that vinyl or reselling it if they want to.

    You and everyone else has every right to 'want' the vinyl edition right now. But your going to have to pay what current demand for the album says it's worth. And if your decide to turn around and resell it, you're not going to make that much from it. You'll still be rewarded as much as anyone else who has it in their collection, but you won't earn as big of a profit compared to someone else who bought the album earlier on.

    As for you pulling out the 'true fan' card. I don't think anyone purchases records in order to be considered a 'true fan'. I think after 8 years of reading and posting on this board it can be well decided and supported that there is no such thing as a true fan and that the argument of what makes a true fan is purely irrelevant. I don't think anyone has anything to prove when it comesto enjoying pearl jam. The only 'non-true fans' out there are probably the ones who consider themselves to be 'true fans' because they're not enjoying pearl jam for the collecting or the music but rather just to feed their ego.

    As for people collecting things, unless you have OCD, the whole point of it all is to make an investment for the future. That's why things are titled "Collectors Edition" or "Limited Edition".

    Limited prints are designed for the purpose of being a hot commodity for collectors.

    Does the band directly sell limited prints so their fans can make money off of them? Obviously not.

    Does the band sell limited prints in order to be able to sell X amounts of albums in their marketing contract to collectors? yes

    Do collectors collect in hopes of using whatever their collection may be worth for the future? yes

    Does everyone have the right to listen to vinyl? yes
    Does everyone have to right to invest in vinyl? yes
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    Benny Hall was fan club only and didn't sell out immediately... I'm sure at the time they felt that 2000 copies would be enough.

    ITW was originally supposed to be fan club only but a few small record retailers got some of them... Again I believe they thought they wouldn't sell many more than what they did.

    PJ is all about vinyl but some of their albums are rarer because vinyl only recently regained some popularity. Albums like Binaural, Yield, No Code, LOTL were all released based on dwindling LP sales figures... That's why they are rare.

    It's possible they could reissue the albums. They reissued Ten.

    A master press is not cheap either so in order to reissue certain albums it would have to be profitable or as a gift to the fans.
    Masters are good for only so many albums.
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    southerngarden wrote:

    im with the original poster here...nobody has given any good reason as to why these are so limited....what is the point? ?

    Making, designing, pressing and packaging vinyl records is expensive and time consuming.

    The band has to determine how many albums to press by how many they think they will sell. Press too many and you're stuck with a thousand or two vinyl records and a financial loss.

    Then there is the aspect of it being a special limited edition for collectors. There's always been limited special editions. Not only in the vinyl record business, but books, Cars, CDs and a lot of other product markets.

    Usually special editions offer special features, improved internal/exterior components or something that is rare (hard to find).

    It creates a special item for the fans (or consumer), which creates a demand. Or achieves a higher standard of quality than the regular/mainstream edition.

    There's also a sentimental element to it all.

    There's a lot of reasons for Limited Special Editions. I'm guessing Pearl Jam could probably provide even a few more reasons.

    If that's not good enough of an answer for you, then...... Bite Me!:D:D;)
  • Lizardking
    Lizardking Posts: 936
    Our goverment keeps printing more money, guess what our money isn't worth what it used to be!!!!!
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  • youngster
    youngster Boston Posts: 6,576
    It all depends on how bad you want something. I just shelled out $850 for a sealed benny hall vinyl (I started a thread on it). Most would say I was crazy but it was what I wanted, I have been looking for a while and the time was right so I bought it. i am not going to hoard it and stuff it away hoping to make money on it. I know it will go for twice that in 5-10 years. For $850 I'm gonna open it, listen to it, and make my money well spent. That's what the band would want their fans to do with all their music. Enjoy it. Isn't that why we're here in the first place?
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  • Lizardking
    Lizardking Posts: 936
    cropduster82 wrote:
    It all depends on how bad you want something. I just shelled out $850 for a sealed benny hall vinyl (I started a thread on it). Most would say I was crazy but it was what I wanted, I have been looking for a while and the time was right so I bought it. i am not going to hoard it and stuff it away hoping to make money on it. I know it will go for twice that in 5-10 years. For $850 I'm gonna open it, listen to it, and make my money well spent. That's what the band would want their fans to do with all their music. Enjoy it. Isn't that why we're here in the first place?


    To bad YouthCare doesn't get all the money the Vinyl sells for. I would love to have one, but noway I spend that much cash
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  • Vacate
    Vacate Posts: 57
    I own every pearl jam album on vinyl and you know what my secret trick is??? I buy them when they first come out. It's genius!
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  • southerngarden
    southerngarden Posts: 512
    mookeywrench wrote:
    you won't earn as big of a profit compared to someone else who bought the album earlier on.

    so i should buy the record when it comes out so i can make a bigger profit on it down the line? is this why i should go to record stores? hoping to buy something for cheap so i can flip it later for more?
    all this talk of profit and investment is not right...collectors dont collect things hoping to make more money off of them in the future...thats what flippers do...collectors collect things because they enjoy having them and have no interest in selling them off or making a profit off of them. they have a passion for the items not their worth or the possible profits that could be made.

    i do agree though, it is genius to buy em when they come out!
    from my argument it may seem like i dont have any of the vinyls, but i have the entire set sans benny hall. i still say repress them all!
    i still believe that they shouldnt be as limited...i still think any new fan should be able to go out and get the music in any format it was released on for the price it was released at.

    if all these records were repressed it seems that many people on the list would be upset because their "investment" wouldnt be as "profitable." The ones who wouldnt be upset are those who arent interested in the possible profit they could make...people like cropduster who threw down $850 for a benny so he could open it up a listen to it...he doesnt want to sell it and hes not interested in profit. if they were repressed, collectors would still want the original pressings but theyd be more affordable.

    i do realize that the pressing process is expensive and time consuming, im also aware that presses cannot pump out infinite copies of records...so those are semi-decent reasons.

    but we are talking about pearl jam here not some barely sucessful, underground band...is ending up with a few thousand extra vinyls going to break the band? how long have some of those shirts been sitting in 10c? if they had pressed 20,000 ITW instead of whatever they did is the band going to fail?

    i just think the band should be aware that fans are paying ridiculous prices for their music on the secondary market. im sure when they made the limited pressing of benny hall they werent expecting to see it on ebay reaching the $1000 mark in just a few years...

    the music is meant to be heard not hoarded...and its not so fans can profit off of it!
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  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    I'm a collector, I have all the vinyl and I actually spin it quite frequently.
    I'd like to see the vinyl reissued so I can purchase back-up copies
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  • Jackieboy
    Jackieboy Posts: 78
    I'm one of those people you are refering to. I'm 19 and began listening to Pearl Jam in 2005. I never had a chance of buying these LPs at a reasonable price and I can't imagine a more thrilling way of enjoying No Code and Yield. I hate CDs and much rather use my brand new vinyl-player.
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,080
    southerngarden wrote:
    so i should buy the record when it comes out so i can make a bigger profit on it down the line? is this why i should go to record stores? hoping to buy something for cheap so i can flip it later for more?
    all this talk of profit and investment is not right...collectors dont collect things hoping to make more money off of them in the future...thats what flippers do...collectors collect things because they enjoy having them and have no interest in selling them off or making a profit off of them.quote]


    Again my point is being missed. I'm not saying the direct purpose of buying an album is to make a profit off of it. The purpose of buying the album is obviously to listen to the music on that album.

    An aspect (not the MAIN aspect) of collecting is to hold onto whatever object it may be in hopes that it will be worth something in the future.

    So with albums, the person who benefits the most from that aspect are those who initially support and purchase the album as early as possible.
    They are the ones who will most readilly have the LP available to them and will gain the most profit in the future should they decide to sell the LP.

    again, I'm not saying flipping is the number one priority for a collector, but it is a reason for collecting.
  • Fahka
    Fahka Posts: 3,187
    the whole benny lp , Binaural and ITW shit really pisses me off..I mean its just stupid. Why not print enough for all fans to enjoy? I don't do the ebay thing but it doesnt mean that i still don't get pissed and confused everytime i want to add to my vinyl collection (that i ACTUALLY LISTEN TO)
    I mean shit, binaural wasnt even that popular amongst the masses! i just wanted to be able to hook up headphones to my record player and listen to my fav pj tunes..


    i know there has to be so many binaurals , bennys and itw's that are on a fucking wall some where.... a crying shame :(
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,080
    LeatherMandi wrote:

    i know there has to be so many binaurals , bennys and itw's that are on a fucking wall some where.... a crying shame :(

    They wouldn't be put up on my wall, but I wouldn't have any problem knowing that someone else wanted to put it up on their wall since they spent their money on that LP that they now own, they have the right to do whatever they want with it.

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