I can't wait for Universal Healthcare...
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Isn't anybody concerned about the tax hikes that will come along with universal health care? If we are paying a 40 to 45 % tax, plus social security, then if your paying into 401K,what are you left with? Maybe 50% of your check? To me that is scarey. That will be a very altering lifestyle to many many americans who are already struggling to get by. Not to mention....if you take more money out of the peoples pockets, it can't help the economy much.0
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Why is everybody against UHC so upset? You guys won. Whatever bill gets passed will be a serious piece of crap and it won't be anything even close to UHC. Am I right?"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
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aerial wrote:It’s common sense...oh shit I forget your so smart (you claim) you have none! Do you really think it will be a free for all...just bop on in and no one is going to ask any questions? They’ll just be singing “come on in healthcare is all free ...what ever you need Baby!
You just completely proved my point with this post.Thanks. Because that is exactly what it's like in Canada. And I don't need to read it in an article from some biased website to know this. I currently reside there.
But you go ahead and keep posting about healthcare like you know what you are talking about.0 -
mb262200 wrote:Isn't anybody concerned about the tax hikes that will come along with universal health care? If we are paying a 40 to 45 % tax, plus social security, then if your paying into 401K,what are you left with? Maybe 50% of your check? To me that is scarey. That will be a very altering lifestyle to many many americans who are already struggling to get by. Not to mention....if you take more money out of the peoples pockets, it can't help the economy much.
Stop spending so much on defense and you won't need to hike taxes to pay for healthcare. Hell, you could even cover massages and pre/post natal home care with just part of the money spent in Iraq.0 -
redrock wrote:
Assumptions, assumptions.... :roll: From a health point of view, my daughter will get anything she needs with universal healthcare here. I don't have to worry a bit. As I get even older than I am, I won't have to worry whether my pension money will be able to pay for my medical bills, my potential operations (heart bypass maybe?), etc.
So don't feel embarrassed. I've lived long enough, I'm raising a family, been faced with lots of shit (see previous posts ref my husband as an example) and guess what? My outlook on universal heathcare is still the same. Wouldn't do without.
its a shame the blinkered people on here won't read that post Redrock... its evidently clear from countries like Norway, Switxerland, Sweden, France, UK, Canada, etc that UHC is a working social strategy that caters for their respective citizens. The US's reluctance to change to a more beneficial system simply highlights what dinosaurs they are.oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
dunkman wrote:The US's reluctance to change to a more beneficial system simply highlights what dinosaurs they are.
It would seem that one of the arguments against is that it 'impinges on their personal freedom'. :?
When will they see that currently, the US spend more on healthcare than any industrialised country (they use less services though, which means these cost a lot more); the US has a high infant mortality rate (more than Europe); Americans have a life expectancy lower than Cuba? Now tell me that has nothing to do with a lot of people not having access to full and comprehensive healthcare throughout their lives.0 -
I'm watching Frontline: Sick Around America
Man our health system is beyond the point of no return. If I ever get really really sick, overseas life has to be an option I seriously think about.NERDS!0 -
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Tracy Pierce, 37, lived a full life. He grew up with family and faith. He went to a Catholic school, got married, had a son, and he even had the car of his dreams. It was the perfect life.
"He's been strong. He has," his wife, Julie Pierce, said.
Two years ago, Tracy Pierce's life changed dramatically when he was diagnosed with kidney cancer.
"I have no treatment. Three months has gone by and I haven't had any treatment," Tracy Pierce told KMBC's Jim Flink in May 2005.
When Flink talked to Tracy Pierce, his cancer was attacking his body. Despite being fully insured, every treatment his doctors sought for him was denied by his insurance provider. First-Health Coventry deemed the treatments were either not a medical necessity or experimental.
"I don't know what else to do but just wait," Tracy Pierce said last May.
As he waited, his doctors appealed again and again, including a 27-page appeal spelling out that Tracy Pierce would die without care. Coventry dismissed each request.
:thumbup: to the awesome system you have there thread starter! :thumbup:oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
brandon10 wrote:
Stop spending so much on defense and you won't need to hike taxes to pay for healthcare. Hell, you could even cover massages and pre/post natal home care with just part of the money spent in Iraq.
This is true....but they won't.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487TriumphantAngel wrote:that's hilarious. you calling someone else a troll? really, that's too funny.
how useful was the information you provided to g under p the other day when you insinuated he was a jerk- off because *gosh*, he does not remove his hat when the anthem is played? g under p of all people? one of the most respectful posters here.
and weren't you the one in the cheney thread the other day having a big waaah about the the double standards on this board and calling them pathetic?
tsk tsk unsung.
I never said I was against it. I said I wanted strict controls on who gets it and that it not just be open to anyone. Yet I get grouped with whomever because instead of discussing my points it is the typical way out for that person (not referring to g under p).
So if you had read this thread you would have seen that.0 -
does anyone want to try to defend this or just read it and ignore it like usual? this bullshit should not happen in this or any country...profits over people...hooray!! unsung? prfctlfts? aerial? anyone???dunkman wrote:KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Tracy Pierce, 37, lived a full life. He grew up with family and faith. He went to a Catholic school, got married, had a son, and he even had the car of his dreams. It was the perfect life.
"He's been strong. He has," his wife, Julie Pierce, said.
Two years ago, Tracy Pierce's life changed dramatically when he was diagnosed with kidney cancer.
"I have no treatment. Three months has gone by and I haven't had any treatment," Tracy Pierce told KMBC's Jim Flink in May 2005.
When Flink talked to Tracy Pierce, his cancer was attacking his body. Despite being fully insured, every treatment his doctors sought for him was denied by his insurance provider. First-Health Coventry deemed the treatments were either not a medical necessity or experimental.
"I don't know what else to do but just wait," Tracy Pierce said last May.
As he waited, his doctors appealed again and again, including a 27-page appeal spelling out that Tracy Pierce would die without care. Coventry dismissed each request.
:thumbup: to the awesome system you have there thread starter! :thumbup:"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Why are you calling me out? Once again I never said I'm against it, I just want controls.0
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:does anyone want to try to defend this or just read it and ignore it like usual? this bullshit should not happen in this or any country...profits over people...hooray!! unsung? prfctlfts? aerial? anyone???
How could anyone defend that? How could anyone defend the story about the hospital either?
No one can, they are both awful.hippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat wrote:
How could anyone defend that? How could anyone defend the story about the hospital either?
No one can, they are both awful.
no one defended the original posters story that he posted. All of us UK'ers on here said it was bad and that it was not a reflection on the NHS we have here. Overall the vast majority of our hospitals are excellent and serve their purpose.
but what we take exception to is a man who probably doesnt have a passport using that one bad example of an English hospital to show how the US proposed UHC system would be an utter disaster. You know what he was saying, he was being a doom merchant and posted a story to fit his cause. But it was backed up by his own hot air. No substance whatsoever... just some sensationalist spoon fed by Fox verbal diarrhea.
if the OP is suggesting it takes one rotten apple to to spoil the barrel, then i suggest he looks in the mirror as his nationalist diatribe about a country he probable couldnt point out on a map suggest that he is speaking for ALL americans. he isnt... just as that one hospital isnt speaking for ALL of them in the UK. But any sensible person would know this.oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Since the comment was brought up about reducing the military budget to pay for this I'll say that I don't have the answer. I do have a suggestion since people are good at pointing fingers at us non-liberals.
Call your Senators and Representatives and ask them why they continue to vote for funding and expanding this war. The Democrats have been in control of Congress for four years and continue to fund this war. Obama himself has not only broken a campaign promise to end the war but he himself voted as a Senator to continue funding it.
So I think it is time to stop the blaming of Bush if you ever want to move on and gets things accomplished.0 -
dunkman wrote:
no one defended the original posters story that he posted.
I didn't say anyone did...hippiemom = goodness0 -
again you are blaming obama for the military budget. your side would destroy him and call him "weak on defense" and "soft on terrorism" and perhaps the republicans two favorite accusations of "not supporting the troops" and "providing comfort to the enemy" if he were to stop funding the wars. it is a political fight he is not going to take up right now because he does not need those attacks from your side in addition to all of the baseless accusations already leveled against his health care plan...suppose war funding were to be dropped. would you support universal health care then?unsung wrote:Since the comment was brought up about reducing the military budget to pay for this I'll say that I don't have the answer. I do have a suggestion since people are good at pointing fingers at us non-liberals.
Call your Senators and Representatives and ask them why they continue to vote for funding and expanding this war. The Democrats have been in control of Congress for four years and continue to fund this war. Obama himself has not only broken a campaign promise to end the war but he himself voted as a Senator to continue funding it.
So I think it is time to stop the blaming of Bush if you ever want to move on and gets things accomplished."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
maybe defend was a poor choice of words...how about can anyone make an excuse for that or justify that?cincybearcat wrote:
How could anyone defend that? How could anyone defend the story about the hospital either?
No one can, they are both awful.
cancer treatments have long been used and covered by insurance, so why are these treatments now considered experimental or unecessary??
he might have had better luck if he had Joe Blow Insurance Company or something..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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