ESPN:Mike Greenberg: 'Martin Luther COON...King Day"

Hammerdonkey · January 2010

Why do blacks allow their feelings to get hurt by words like that? It's depressing when you think about it.

And why don't whites have any names that are equally as offensive? Honkey and cracker don't bother me in the slightest.

g under p · January 2010

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Why do blacks allow their feelings to get hurt by words like that? It's depressing when you think about it.

And why don't whites have any names that are equally as offensive? Honkey and cracker don't bother me in the slightest.

Well at one point in our past blacks weren't given the opportunity to voice their feelings on whether those derogatory words hurt them or not. It was the norm from America's past and many feel they don't want to be reminded of such words. You may not have ever been in those situations to feel the hurt of those words and have to sit on a certain bench or drink from a certain fountain. Living in that period of American history and you might just think or feel differently about those said derogatory words today.

Peace

dcfaithful · January 2010

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Why do blacks allow their feelings to get hurt by words like that? It's depressing when you think about it.

And why don't whites have any names that are equally as offensive? Honkey and cracker don't bother me in the slightest.

But just because you're not offended doesn't mean others aren't. You can't speak for an entire race...and hell, I'm sure some blacks feel the same way you do. It's subjective, ya know?

Ledbetterman10 · January 2010

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Hammerdonkey · January 2010

I think I speak for all whites in saying honkey and cracker aren't offensive. The reason why I can say that is because they aren't offensive. Nobody's that mentally weak to believe otherwise.

g under p · January 2010

Hammerdonkey wrote:

I think I speak for all whites in saying honkey and cracker aren't offensive. The reason why I can say that is because they aren't offensive. Nobody's that mentally weak to believe otherwise.

Hammerdonkey wrote:
Why do blacks allow their feelings to get hurt by words like that? It's depressing when you think about it.

What about your first question, do you speak for black people also?

Peace

Hammerdonkey · January 2010

No. I'm just a mouthpiece for the whites.

See, I'm a white person. I was given permission by other white people at the National White People Convention this year.

True story.

JOEJOEJOE · January 2010

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Why do blacks allow their feelings to get hurt by words like that? It's depressing when you think about it.

And why don't whites have any names that are equally as offensive? Honkey and cracker don't bother me in the slightest.

I don't know how anyone question someone's reaction to racism unless they have had the same experience.

Hammerdonkey · January 2010

Fucking white people. Coming to defend a 60 year old term of racism that none of you have ever experienced.

Do any of you regularly speak with 80 year old black people? If so, I apologize. I say you're full of shit but I apologize.

Whatever. None of you fucking know what real racism is so why come to it's aid? You don't even know what emotion you're defending. That's ignorant.

dcfaithful · January 2010

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Fucking white people. Coming to defend a 60 year old term of racism that none of you have ever experienced.

Do any of you regularly speak with 80 year old black people? If so, I apologize. I say you're full of shit but I apologize.

Whatever. None of you fucking know what real racism is so why come to it's aid? You don't even know what emotion you're defending. That's ignorant.

I worked in a warehouse in Duluth, Georgia and I was the only white guy on the crew. I got treated like shit, and with no respect and had been called "white boy". Although not verbally abusive, and not offensive to me, I still think it qualifies as a racist remark...

Hammerdonkey wrote:

I think I speak for all whites in saying honkey and cracker aren't offensive. The reason why I can say that is because they aren't offensive. Nobody's that mentally weak to believe otherwise.

Try saying that to an old fashioned bigot.

mickeyrat · January 2010

eyedclaar wrote:

Hammerdonkey wrote:

This isn't racial. I'm sure he doesn't go around calling MLK a COON. That's ridiculous. We don't even do that shit down here where it's perfectly acceptable to be racist. I've said the N word a million times. Over 900,000 were just talking to my white friends and not even referring to blacks in any way. Fucking rap music will do that to you.

Anyway, I've never heard anyone here, including myself, ever refer to Dr. King as a Coon. That's just retarded.

The word Junior has the syllable (JOON) like Coon.

King begins with the same structural sound as the word Coon.

Put them together and you'll can slip up and say Koon. It's a slip of the tongue. Leave the man alone.

See, we agree on stuff. But would somebody answer my question... should I just always say "raccoon" to be safe?

Never refer to any animal by it's common name. ALWAYS use the latin!!!!!! That way you can show people how much smarts you got!

Hammerdonkey · January 2010

dcfaithful wrote:

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Fucking white people. Coming to defend a 60 year old term of racism that none of you have ever experienced.

Do any of you regularly speak with 80 year old black people? If so, I apologize. I say you're full of shit but I apologize.

Whatever. None of you fucking know what real racism is so why come to it's aid? You don't even know what emotion you're defending. That's ignorant.

I worked in a warehouse in Duluth, Georgia and I was the only white guy on the crew. I got treated like shit, and with no respect and had been called "white boy". Although not verbally abusive, and not offensive to me, I still think it qualifies as a racist remark..

I hardly think you being reminded that you are a white person hardly qualifies as remotely being the same thing. Are you fucking kidding? That's why you fuckers never win the SEC Championship. That's a sad fucking story. Hell, I've been called an N Bomb by a black person. It's just a word. Anyway, I wound up whoopin his ass but it had nothin to do with him calling me a name. He just needed it so I gave it to him.

mickeyrat · January 2010

Shouldn't this thread have been posted in a more appropriate forum? Like , say , A Moving Train? Would love to know how the rest of the world feels about our backwards ass.

g under p · January 2010

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Fucking white people. Coming to defend a 60 year old term of racism that none of you have ever experienced.

Do any of you regularly speak with 80 year old black people? If so, I apologize. I say you're full of shit but I apologize.

Whatever. None of you fucking know what real racism is so why come to it's aid? You don't even know what emotion you're defending. That's ignorant.

In this situation you're the ONE who is ignorant when you speak of real racsim. I'll tell you ONE story of many that I could tell.

Some years ago I once taught pre-school 3-4-5 year olds. On one hot day one of the children in my classroom got his foot stuck in one of the wooden play trains we had. Being one of the few teachers that actually played with the kids I was the first to come to his aid. As I tried to release his foot from the peddle he said angrily, "Help me you N-word" I said what did you say, and he repeated it. Well I released his foot took him aside and told that is not my name, told him my name then told him that is not a name to call anyone it's a bad name to call people.

I had to document what happened to my director and had a meeting with both parents. I told them basically what happened and what I said to their son. I then told them that word as far as I could tell has never been uttered at this school. I demonstrated the tone in which her son said what he said, the parents then looked at each other and must have figured out who in there family said that word for their son to repeat it.

As far as children goes they don't know of racism unless it's learned or taught within a family. The little boy never spoke of that word again and I think he has learn it's an inappropriate word to call someone. I'm engaged to an Irish redhead and will live in Florida and we get our share racist looks and treatment nothing new, unless it's physical I deal with these situations with a higher class and dignity.

Peace

_ · January 2010

g under p wrote:

I don't think it's appropriate to call anyone *coon* just based on how it was used in such a racial derogatory way in the past. If it makes you more comfortable calling a raccoon *coon* then go right ahead. I wouldn't, I'll call it what it is a raccoon. If one gets too comfortable with the word *coon* who knows where or when one could slip up down the road.

Peace

My grandmother's maiden name - and the last name of most of my cousins - is Coon. Therefor, we use the word all the time. We have Coon reunions, Coon cousins, and a Great-Grandma Coon. I remember when we were kids, we received a bunch of hand-me-downs from our cousins and, for some reason, they had written their last name in them. We gave what we couldn't use to the black kids next door and my mom got all worried that they would be upset.

We also grew up calling raccoons "coons," as did everyone else we knew.

While I agree that some words are and always will be derogatory, I think some words have other legitimate meanings.

_ · January 2010

Hammerdonkey wrote:

And why don't whites have any names that are equally as offensive? Honkey and cracker don't bother me in the slightest.

Possibly because the ol' "sticks and stones" adage is easier to follow when, ultimately, you're still the group in power?

_ · January 2010

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Fucking white people. Coming to defend a 60 year old term of racism that none of you have ever experienced.

Do any of you regularly speak with 80 year old black people? If so, I apologize. I say you're full of shit but I apologize.

Whatever. None of you fucking know what real racism is so why come to it's aid? You don't even know what emotion you're defending. That's ignorant.

While I see your point, I would remind you that it's the "fucking white people" who had never experienced "real racism" that played an integral role in ending slavery.

g under p · January 2010

scb wrote:

g under p wrote:

I don't think it's appropriate to call anyone *coon* just based on how it was used in such a racial derogatory way in the past. If it makes you more comfortable calling a raccoon *coon* then go right ahead. I wouldn't, I'll call it what it is a raccoon. If one gets too comfortable with the word *coon* who knows where or when one could slip up down the road.

Peace

My grandmother's maiden name - and the last name of most of my cousins - is Coon. Therefor, we use the word all the time. We have Coon reunions, Coon cousins, and a Great-Grandma Coon. I remember when we were kids, we received a bunch of hand-me-downs from our cousins and, for some reason, they had written their last name in them. We gave what we couldn't use to the black kids next door and my mom got all worried that they would be upset.

We also grew up calling raccoons "coons," as did everyone else we knew.

While I agree that some words are and always will be derogatory, I think some words have other legitimate meanings.

In that situation it's very appropriate to use the name Coon all you want. That word meant everything to your family, I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't black people named Coon. As are possibly some white folks named Cracker or Honky/Honkey and it also would be appropriate to call them by the name given.

I could see why your mom was worried about the name being written in the clothes she gave away. However even in that situation those neighbors should understand that was your family name and not a word used in a derrogatory way.

We will live right next to the Everglades and a raccoon family lives nearby and I know one night late I will run over one of them. Just as long as I don't run into one of the many wild boars we will have around here.

Peace

musicismylife78 · January 2010

dcfaithful wrote:

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Fucking white people. Coming to defend a 60 year old term of racism that none of you have ever experienced.

Do any of you regularly speak with 80 year old black people? If so, I apologize. I say you're full of shit but I apologize.

Whatever. None of you fucking know what real racism is so why come to it's aid? You don't even know what emotion you're defending. That's ignorant.

I worked in a warehouse in Duluth, Georgia and I was the only white guy on the crew. I got treated like shit, and with no respect and had been called "white boy". Although not verbally abusive, and not offensive to me, I still think it qualifies as a racist remark...

Hammerdonkey wrote:

I think I speak for all whites in saying honkey and cracker aren't offensive. The reason why I can say that is because they aren't offensive. Nobody's that mentally weak to believe otherwise.

Try saying that to an old fashioned bigot.

while no one should ever be called racial epithets, whitey being called names is a hell of alot different than whitey himself calling another ethic or racial group names. For one, whites were never wholesale slaughtered in America, like Native Americans. Two, whites were never brought over in chains, forced to leave their homeland, and then when they got to this new land, were treated as slaves, lynched, harassed, murdered, told they were 3/5's of a human being etc...

The point is, whites in terms of their mistreatment on behalf of others sort of is nonexistant, compared to the disgraceful history whites have in terms of their treatment of other races

I am italian. My mom and uncle were called names on the playground as kids. My sister said, in 3rd grade or whatever another kid made a remark about italians. But its different. Italian Americans were mistreated, but their mistreatment pales in comparison to that of Latinos, Native Americans and African Americans.

Lastly, calling a white person "white devil" while I agree with the sentiment, doesnt really mean much. Whites hold the power. They control the racist justice system. They control the racist prison system. They control the schools. All the major corporations are predominantly run by white males. Calling an African American a racial slur plays into this. It reinforces the idea that blacks are second class citizens.

JOEJOEJOE · January 2010

musicismylife78 wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Fucking white people. Coming to defend a 60 year old term of racism that none of you have ever experienced.

Do any of you regularly speak with 80 year old black people? If so, I apologize. I say you're full of shit but I apologize.

Whatever. None of you fucking know what real racism is so why come to it's aid? You don't even know what emotion you're defending. That's ignorant.

I worked in a warehouse in Duluth, Georgia and I was the only white guy on the crew. I got treated like shit, and with no respect and had been called "white boy". Although not verbally abusive, and not offensive to me, I still think it qualifies as a racist remark...

Hammerdonkey wrote:

I think I speak for all whites in saying honkey and cracker aren't offensive. The reason why I can say that is because they aren't offensive. Nobody's that mentally weak to believe otherwise.

Try saying that to an old fashioned bigot.

while no one should ever be called racial epithets, whitey being called names is a hell of alot different than whitey himself calling another ethic or racial group names. For one, whites were never wholesale slaughtered in America, like Native Americans. Two, whites were never brought over in chains, forced to leave their homeland, and then when they got to this new land, were treated as slaves, lynched, harassed, murdered, told they were 3/5's of a human being etc...

The point is, whites in terms of their mistreatment on behalf of others sort of is nonexistant, compared to the disgraceful history whites have in terms of their treatment of other races

I am italian. My mom and uncle were called names on the playground as kids. My sister said, in 3rd grade or whatever another kid made a remark about italians. But its different. Italian Americans were mistreated, but their mistreatment pales in comparison to that of Latinos, Native Americans and African Americans.

Lastly, calling a white person "white devil" while I agree with the sentiment, doesnt really mean much. Whites hold the power. They control the racist justice system. They control the racist prison system. They control the schools. All the major corporations are predominantly run by white males. Calling an African American a racial slur plays into this. It reinforces the idea that blacks are second class citizens.

Very well put!

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