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lukin2006 · January 2010

Look at the bright side fellow Cowboy fans, we are not The detroit Lions

Flagg · January 2010

OK, here are my final thoughts on it.

First off, this thread was fun again this year! Maybe a little too fun sometimes. People need to tone it down, it is just football.

I call this season a success. When you have been down as long as we have, it was nice to win the division and a playoff game, taking out division rivals along the way. Of course yesterday sucked and was a complete shock to me, buy that's why they play the game and don't hand out victory based on people's picks. I wasn't surprised Minnesota won. I was surprised at how the game happened though. I don't think anyone, including all you Cowboys haters out there, expected that kind of domination by the Vikings. I certainly didn't expect the OL collapse.

Those ridiculous losses to Denver and Green Bay really ended up hurting because that game yesterday could have been played here. If you go back and look at those two games, the same problems wound up biting the Cowboys - inability to be consistent on offense, and racking up yards without scoring.

The six sacks and complete collapse of the OL yesterday makes them the #1 concern. Marc Columbo was simply awful and Flozell is getting too old. They have serious issues here that need to be addressed. You can't have your #1 TE in to block people like Jared Allen. I am tired of Columbo. He comes up small in big games. Who would have figured Ray Edwards would be the problem he was yesterday.

Also, this three RB scheme has got to go. It is almost like they have too many weapons at RB and can't use them all effectively. For example, when you have Felix Jones tearing up the middle and getting huge chunks of yards, don't pitch back 7 yards to Barber! Don't call in the stupid Wildcat!! I think one of these guys needs to go and sadly I think it is Barber. He has been bothered by injuries the last couple of years and maybe his style of play has worn him down. Choice was far more effective and they have a HR threat in Jones. But they don't know how to use them.

That leads me to Jason Garrett. Far too many times does he panic and completely abandon the run. That cost us two games this year and almost cost us one of the Washington games. I know he gets a lot of praise outside of Dallas but we are tired of his shtick here. I just think it is time for a change here. He can't find ways to effectively use the ground game. His worst offense is that the Cowboys never developed a short yardage game and couldn't score in the red zone. Too many drives killed when, after jamming it down throats, the cute play comes out and gets stuffed. Been going on for a couple of years now. Actually, I felt that game was over yesterday when Dallas drove to the 9 and then ran the Wildcat on 1st down. Go back to the Green Bay game and look at that. Anyway, time for a change on the offense and I don't think Wade really likes him anyway.

Speaking of Wade - he stays. He deserves that. He brought this defense back to being a threat. And he won the division and a playoff game. You can't fire a guy for that. I have done a 180 on Wade this year and the defense, which he runs solely, was not the problem. Aside from one or two meltdowns (the December Giants game and yesterday, although the offense was no help at all), the defense is the main reason they had the success they did have. I think Jerry should re-up him and let him pick a new offensive coordinator.

Roy Williams - for the love of God take the $9 million hit and let him walk. Have you ever seen a bigger disappointment than him. No catches yesterday and has never been a factor. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year since he was new, but this year has cemented his fail. He needs to go.

So, think about a new offense, get a new kicker, get rid of Williams, see if you can trade Barber, re-sign Wade, get some OL help. I don't think that is too much to ask! Super Bowl is in Dallas next year! We can root for a home game!!!!

And at least the Cowboys merchandise will be on sale this week. Time to get that new hat. I like the blue one with the white D.

The Juggler · January 2010

mr.pink wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

Great Season! We over achieved this year! Lots to look forward to next year. at least we have the Eagles #!!!

The offensive line stunk tonight, not to mention garrett's play-calling!

glad beating us means so much to you!!!!!!!!

Its really does, just like it would to you if it was the other way around!!!

Luckily, I mistakenly thought the game was the afternoon one. I woke up and the season was over. Didn't see a single snap, lucky me. I'm fairly satisfied with this season. There are areas to improve on. I think Garrett should be in the hot seat.

The last several years have ended in a feeling of total shit, this year it end much different and with a feeling of real hope for next year.

(wow, can't believe the Chargers went down too.)

huh??? i hope you're not serious about missing the game. you can't be serious can you? how can you call yourself a fan and forget what time your playoff game starts :wtf:

and if you are also being serious about being satisfied and happy with the way your season ended....then all this talk about having your bar set much higher than eagles fans is utter BS. you lost 34-3 yesterday and your coach very well may be fired by the end of the week. last year ended with a 44-6 loss. only difference is a wild card win :roll: . hope....

Jearlpam0925 · January 2010

The Jeagler wrote:

mr.pink wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

glad beating us means so much to you!!!!!!!!

Its really does, just like it would to you if it was the other way around!!!

Luckily, I mistakenly thought the game was the afternoon one. I woke up and the season was over. Didn't see a single snap, lucky me. I'm fairly satisfied with this season. There are areas to improve on. I think Garrett should be in the hot seat.

The last several years have ended in a feeling of total shit, this year it end much different and with a feeling of real hope for next year.

(wow, can't believe the Chargers went down too.)

huh??? i hope you're not serious about missing the game. you can't be serious can you? how can you call yourself a fan and forget what time your playoff game starts :wtf:

and if you are also being serious about being satisfied and happy with the way your season ended....then all this talk about having your bar set much higher than eagles fans is utter BS. you lost 34-3 yesterday and your coach very well may be fired by the end of the week. last year ended with a 44-6 loss. only difference is a wild card win :roll: . hope....

Seriously. And, hey guy, it's "on the hot seat" not "in the hot seat." You guys might wanna get some new people to fight your good fights around here....

PatrickBateman · January 2010

argh, what a shitbag of a game. Many issues to be addressed. Skimming through the posts from earlier, someone said to get rid of Witten?!? pretty ridiculous ...if anyone goes, it is Williams. I think Wade stays.

Jearlpam0925 · January 2010

PatrickBateman wrote:

argh, what a shitbag of a game. Many issues to be addressed. Skimming through the posts from earlier, someone said to get rid of Witten?!? pretty ridiculous ...if anyone goes, it is Williams. I think Wade stays.

Yeah, so far you've got one guy saying get rid of Witten and bring in Marshall like this is a video game which he then turned into "Kill Whitey", and then another com padre of your's said he slept through the game and didn't know it was on at 1. Yes, these are your fellow fans...

SPEEDY MCCREADY · January 2010

I disagree that Favre throwing that last touchdown was a "pussy" move, or that it was "classless"........

You play the game for 60 minutes....
The object of the game is to score points.....

It is not Favres problem that the Cowboys defense could not stop him......

PatrickBateman · January 2010

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

PatrickBateman wrote:

argh, what a shitbag of a game. Many issues to be addressed. Skimming through the posts from earlier, someone said to get rid of Witten?!? pretty ridiculous ...if anyone goes, it is Williams. I think Wade stays.

Yeah, so far you've got one guy saying get rid of Witten and bring in Marshall like this is a video game which he then turned into "Kill Whitey", and then another com padre of your's said he slept through the game and didn't know it was on at 1. Yes, these are your fellow fans...

Ouch.....lol "kill whitey?"...how the hell does it get to "kill whitey"? I dont know how you miss the game, but I planned my weekend around the game and got all of my responsibilities done by Saturday night. I was at Lowes (home depot) Saturday and was wearing a Cowboys shirt, here's a short convo with him

Him: Hope the Cowboys win tomorrow... who they playing? the Patriots right?.....
Me:wtf?, um no, they play at Minnesota.....
Him: Oh really?" ...Is Romo playing?
Me: yeah, Why wouldnt he?
Him:oh, what time is the game?"
me: um 1:00?....wtf?

lukin2006 · January 2010

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

I disagree that Favre throwing that last touchdown was a "pussy" move, or that it was "classless"........

You play the game for 60 minutes....
The object of the game is to score points.....

It is not Favres problem that the Cowboys defense could not stop him......

You're right there. It never would have come to that if Phillips wasn't calling timeouts with 6 minutes to go and the score 27-3, did he really think we would score 24 point in 6 minutes.

PatrickBateman · January 2010

lukin2006 wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

I disagree that Favre throwing that last touchdown was a "pussy" move, or that it was "classless"........

You play the game for 60 minutes....
The object of the game is to score points.....

It is not Favres problem that the Cowboys defense could not stop him......

You're right there. It never would have come to that if Phillips wasn't calling timeouts with 6 minutes to go and the score 27-3, did he really think we would score 24 point in 6 minutes.

I was really hoping we would, myself.

lukin2006 · January 2010

Flagg wrote:

Far too many times does he panic and completely abandon the run. That cost us two games this year and almost cost us one of the Washington games. I know he gets a lot of praise outside of Dallas but we are tired of his shtick here. I just think it is time for a change here. He can't find ways to effectively use the ground game. His worst offense is that the Cowboys never developed a short yardage game and couldn't score in the red zone. Too many drives killed when, after jamming it down throats, the cute play comes out and gets stuffed. Been going on for a couple of years now. Actually, I felt that game was over yesterday when Dallas drove to the 9 and then ran the Wildcat on 1st down. Go back to the Green Bay game and look at that. Anyway, time for a change on the offense and I don't think Wade really likes him anyway.

Yes time for a change, the only way I see that happening is if he gets an interview in Buffalo. This is Jerry's hand picked guy, he doesn't like to admit he screwed up. This is the biggest problem they have, then the O line.

The rest of your critique of the team is bang on, I thought I was only one who thought Barber's time in Dallas is up, I doubt he'll accept a lesser roll.

I do think they are closer being an elite team now than anytime in the last 12 years or so, lets just hope they correct the problems this off season.

Jearlpam0925 · January 2010

lukin2006 wrote:

Flagg wrote:

Far too many times does he panic and completely abandon the run. That cost us two games this year and almost cost us one of the Washington games. I know he gets a lot of praise outside of Dallas but we are tired of his shtick here. I just think it is time for a change here. He can't find ways to effectively use the ground game. His worst offense is that the Cowboys never developed a short yardage game and couldn't score in the red zone. Too many drives killed when, after jamming it down throats, the cute play comes out and gets stuffed. Been going on for a couple of years now. Actually, I felt that game was over yesterday when Dallas drove to the 9 and then ran the Wildcat on 1st down. Go back to the Green Bay game and look at that. Anyway, time for a change on the offense and I don't think Wade really likes him anyway.

Yes time for a change, the only way I see that happening is if he gets an interview in Buffalo. This is Jerry's hand picked guy, he doesn't like to admit he screwed up. This is the biggest problem they have, then the O line.

The rest of your critique of the team is bang on, I thought I was only one who thought Barber's time in Dallas is up, I doubt he'll accept a lesser roll.

I do think they are closer being an elite team now than anytime in the last 12 years or so, lets just hope they correct the problems this off season.

Exactly. And Brooking didn't necessarily have a problem with stomping my squad last week and doing his Pee Wee Herman speeches before the game and then running around like a maniac when it was over. They were in their home stadium - just like the Cowboys the week before - getting caught up in it. Brooking's a bitch.

tybird · January 2010

Ouch!!! What an F'n disaster..... :evil:

RW81233 · January 2010

ESPN.com is reporting that B. Marshall is being targeted by the Cowboys. It is funny having an Eagles fan tell me that my hoping to get Marshall is video-gamish when the entire Eagles offense is built like a video game. The only way you score is hope for a big run, or run up the middle, get stopped, then throw bombs to Jackson and Maclin. The difference is that F. Jones, MB3, Choice, Witten, Bennett, Marshall, Austin, and Crayton would be much better than the group the Ealges throw out there.

As for anyone construing what I wrote as kill whitey, please read back carefully. All I said was that I wouldn't mind trading away Witten (he's good, but overrated) to get more help (I didn't mention this yesterday but a younger OL or as I did mention a stud WR like Marshall might be nice). Everyone said I was crazy and started pointing to his stats, to which I replied that many times white position players (especially non-QBs) get far more love than they actually earn b/c (predominantly) white fans and owners think that these extremely talented athletes have some sort of genetic disadvantage which is rooted in racist pseudo-science. Thus the fact that Witten is a TE that really only likes catching the ball and is a below-average blocker at best gets lost on fans and the media who claim he is a hard worker. What also gets lost is that he was the one stopped at the 2 instead of the 1 against the Seahawks, and that he couldn't get out of bounds against the Giants in our previous 2 playoff losses.

I then went on to say that Cowboys fans, who have a history of rooting for "hard working" white players like Bill Bates, "Moose" Johnston (who's name was not Deuce but Darryl), and Jason Witten well after their effectiveness faded are NOT ALONE. Virtually every fan base has a player or several players like this. Giants fans have their Shockey's, Boss's, and Seehorn's, the Eagles had a movie made about their "great white hope", and Washigton (well I mean this was the last team to integrate and their team is named the "Redskins" which is the equivalent of the N word) so....

In all, I wasn't suggesting that we need to "kill whitey", I was just suggesting you look at Witten with his several offsides penalties, past playoff failures, and ask yourself if it was TO being stopped at the 2 instead of the 1 or not getting out of bounds against the giants what you would have said? Some of you may have felt the same about TO others of you might have added that to his list of detriments, is it the same as Witten, why?

Finally, just because fan bases love their white non-QBs doesn't mean they don't root for minority athletes, it's just different. There is a lot of research that demonstrates how this works in all sports if you want me to pass it along.

lukin2006 · January 2010

RW81233 wrote:

ESPN.com is reporting that B. Marshall is being targeted by the Cowboys. It is funny having an Eagles fan tell me that my hoping to get Marshall is video-gamish when the entire Eagles offense is built like a video game. The only way you score is hope for a big run, or run up the middle, get stopped, then throw bombs to Jackson and Maclin. The difference is that F. Jones, MB3, Choice, Witten, Bennett, Marshall, Austin, and Crayton would be much better than the group the Ealges throw out there.

As for anyone construing what I wrote as kill whitey, please read back carefully. All I said was that I wouldn't mind trading away Witten (he's good, but overrated) to get more help (I didn't mention this yesterday but a younger OL or as I did mention a stud WR like Marshall might be nice). Everyone said I was crazy and started pointing to his stats, to which I replied that many times white position players (especially non-QBs) get far more love than they actually earn b/c (predominantly) white fans and owners think that these extremely talented athletes have some sort of genetic disadvantage which is rooted in racist pseudo-science. Thus the fact that Witten is a TE that really only likes catching the ball and is a below-average blocker at best gets lost on fans and the media who claim he is a hard worker. What also gets lost is that he was the one stopped at the 2 instead of the 1 against the Seahawks, and that he couldn't get out of bounds against the Giants in our previous 2 playoff losses.

I then went on to say that Cowboys fans, who have a history of rooting for "hard working" white players like Bill Bates, "Moose" Johnston (who's name was not Deuce but Darryl), and Jason Witten well after their effectiveness faded are NOT ALONE. Virtually every fan base has a player or several players like this. Giants fans have their Shockey's, Boss's, and Seehorn's, the Eagles had a movie made about their "great white hope", and Washigton (well I mean this was the last team to integrate and their team is named the "Redskins" which is the equivalent of the N word) so....

In all, I wasn't suggesting that we need to "kill whitey", I was just suggesting you look at Witten with his several offsides penalties, past playoff failures, and ask yourself if it was TO being stopped at the 2 instead of the 1 or not getting out of bounds against the giants what you would have said? Some of you may have felt the same about TO others of you might have added that to his list of detriments, is it the same as Witten, why?

Finally, just because fan bases love their white non-QBs doesn't mean they don't root for minority athletes, it's just different. There is a lot of research that demonstrates how this works in all sports if you want me to pass it along.

Marshall would be a nice edition if you could put together a deal that includes Williams, but they can't keep giving away draft picks. The draft picks are needed to rebuild the O line.

RW81233 · January 2010

I do agree with you on this one. The Oline has some strong suits (as we found out yesterday Flozell Adams might actually be good but I don't believe it still), especially Leonard Davis and Gurode, and Kosier in the middle. Where they are weak is on the outside. Free played very well during our hot streak, but then sat yesterday until Adams got hurt. He could replace Colombo on the outside right, and then (as with many teams) we'd need a stud LT. If we draft one, it's unlikely he'll be good right away, but then free agency means that it'll be 7-8 games before he's good just because he's getting used to the new team (see Jason Peters on the Eagles). Either way, this was easily the 'thinnest' part of the team...it would be nice to fix it.

Jearlpam0925 · January 2010

RW81233 wrote:

I do agree with you on this one. The Oline has some strong suits (as we found out yesterday Flozell Adams might actually be good but I don't believe it still), especially Leonard Davis and Gurode, and Kosier in the middle. Where they are weak is on the outside. Free played very well during our hot streak, but then sat yesterday until Adams got hurt. He could replace Colombo on the outside right, and then (as with many teams) we'd need a stud LT. If we draft one, it's unlikely he'll be good right away, but then free agency means that it'll be 7-8 games before he's good just because he's getting used to the new team (see Jason Peters on the Eagles). Either way, this was easily the 'thinnest' part of the team...it would be nice to fix it.

Exactly. I HOPE TO GOD that freak owner trades away his first and second round draft picks until eternity. Good luck - go get Marshall. Smell ya...

The Juggler · January 2010

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

I do agree with you on this one. The Oline has some strong suits (as we found out yesterday Flozell Adams might actually be good but I don't believe it still), especially Leonard Davis and Gurode, and Kosier in the middle. Where they are weak is on the outside. Free played very well during our hot streak, but then sat yesterday until Adams got hurt. He could replace Colombo on the outside right, and then (as with many teams) we'd need a stud LT. If we draft one, it's unlikely he'll be good right away, but then free agency means that it'll be 7-8 games before he's good just because he's getting used to the new team (see Jason Peters on the Eagles). Either way, this was easily the 'thinnest' part of the team...it would be nice to fix it.

Exactly. I HOPE TO GOD that freak owner trades away his first and second round draft picks until eternity. Good luck - go get Marshall. Smell ya...

maybe he'll fire phillips and try to coach the team himself.

tybird · January 2010

Dang it.....they just sacked Romo again!!! :twisted: :twisted:

lukin2006 · January 2010

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

I do agree with you on this one. The Oline has some strong suits (as we found out yesterday Flozell Adams might actually be good but I don't believe it still), especially Leonard Davis and Gurode, and Kosier in the middle. Where they are weak is on the outside. Free played very well during our hot streak, but then sat yesterday until Adams got hurt. He could replace Colombo on the outside right, and then (as with many teams) we'd need a stud LT. If we draft one, it's unlikely he'll be good right away, but then free agency means that it'll be 7-8 games before he's good just because he's getting used to the new team (see Jason Peters on the Eagles). Either way, this was easily the 'thinnest' part of the team...it would be nice to fix it.

Exactly. I HOPE TO GOD that freak owner trades away his first and second round draft picks until eternity. Good luck - go get Marshall. Smell ya...

maybe he'll fire phillips and try to coach the team himself.

Maybe offensive coordinator

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