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Five Against One - The Pearl Jam Story... who's read it?
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hey, i just read "five against one - the pearl jam story" (by kim neely) which my lovely wife got me for christmas. some amazing, controversial, heart-breaking, enlightening stuff in there. as far as early band poitics and tension is concerned, a lot of the material comes from dave a's viewpont - definitely paints him in a light of having been bullied out of the band by eddie because of their differing stances on fame and self-promotion. the section on eddie's upbringing brought tears to my eyes and i have a better understanding now as to the meanings behind songs like alive, once, release, daughter, rearviewmirror, etc. the other aspect i found interesting was the explanation of the way that the member's of pearl jam came together in the first place - it's always fascinated me to explore bands' "family trees" and discover who played for who and who went on to play for what other bands we know - the malfunkshun/green river/mother love bone/soundgarden/pearl jam/mudhoney connections are cool to name just a few. a great read, even if i take some of it with a grain of salt...
is there anything simliar that anyone knows of that discusses the band's history from 1998 to the present? i know superficially what went on in that time, cos that's when i've followed them most closely, but it'd be great to get some deeper insights into the bandmember's thoughts and feelings during the various reaffirming ups and devastating downs in the last 11 years.
is there anything simliar that anyone knows of that discusses the band's history from 1998 to the present? i know superficially what went on in that time, cos that's when i've followed them most closely, but it'd be great to get some deeper insights into the bandmember's thoughts and feelings during the various reaffirming ups and devastating downs in the last 11 years.
Sydney 3 1998; Brisbane 1 2003; Sydney 1/2/3 2003; Brisbane 1/2 2006; Sydney 1/2/3 2006; Melbourne 1/2 2006; Adelaide 2009; EV Solo Sydney 1 2011.
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Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18;
Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
9/29/04 Boston, 6/28/08 Mansfield, 8/23/09 Chicago, 5/15/10 Hartford
5/17/10 Boston, 10/15/13 Worcester, 10/16/13 Worcester, 10/25/13 Hartford
8/5/16 Fenway, 8/7/16 Fenway
EV Solo: 6/16/11 Boston, 6/18/11 Hartford,
The Eddie - Dave A thing, how i would of loved to been privy to their awkward relationship. Interesting how you can work so well with someone musically and just don't dig them as a person.
Thats my observation from a guy that goes into Borders and reads a bit and leaves w/o buying shit
2003- 4/28 Philly, 7/5 Camden
2005- 10/3 Philly
2006- 5/27 Camden, 5/28 Camden, 6/3 East Rutherford
2008- 6/19 Camden, 6/20 Camden
2009- 10/29 Philly, 10/28 Philly, 10/30 Philly, 10/31 Philly
2012- 9/2 Made In America
2013- 10/21 Philly, 10/22 Philly
2016- 4/28 Philly, 4/29 Philly
Wishlist: Thumbing My Way, Black Red Yellow, Sleight of Hand
http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/pea ... ystery_man
"Vedder's authority was clear to all in 1994, when drummer Dave Abbruzzese was abruptly fired from the band. "Dave was too much the rock star," says a source close to the band. "He was giving cover-story interviews to drumming magazines. He was happy, he was achieving his dream. That bugged the fuck out of Eddie. I witnessed Eddie drawing mustaches on Dave's face on the cover of Modern Drummer.""
Assuming Rolling Stone indeed had a source inside the band, that means that...
This is not ok...
But apparently this is perfectly fine....
Glad they're consistent.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
My wife also bought me the "Leatherman" book for x-mas. Anyone else get that?
I've been dying to read a good book about pearl jam.. I might have to look these two up
As far as comparing Ed's or anyone elses attitudes now towards Matt C as opposed to Dave A, it was almost twenty years ago, people change and Im guessing that there was more to it than the whole car thing. After all Glorified G is a song written about an actual conversation between Dave and Ed, to me they seem to have had strains in thier relationship in a few regards.
"sorry is the fool who trades his soul for a corvette..."
but...
"Who set the standard, born to be rich?
Such fine examples, skinny little bitch
Model, role model, roll some models in blood
Get some flesh to stick, so they look like us
I shit and I stink, I'm real, join the club
I'd stop and talk, but I'm already in love"
...the times, they are a changing.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
:shock:
Probably has more to do with time than consistency. They were at a VERY different place back during the Vs era than they are now. I have a feeling if they had Vs level success now they'd probably handle it slightly differently (and, probably, better).
I'm currently reading "Grunge is Dead", not a direct pearl jam book but about the entire scene. Funny getting some of the other major players perspectives. Despite the Green River breakup, Steve Turner seems to still be really good friends with Stone and Jeff. And while Kurt obviously had his issues with Pearl Jam, it's interesting reading quotes form Grohl and Krist, who both seem very fond of the band (both as people and as musicians).
I'll have to check those two books out.
on the other hand, Grunge is Dead has a lot of info about PJ....its an oral history, the whole book is just quotes from Seattle musicians, and there is quite a bit about PJ straight from Eddie and Jeff's mouths, along with people who work with them, right up to the modern era...some interesting bits, like how there is some tension between PJ and Brad over having to share Stone.....get that book!!!
also a very funny Andy Wood story.....Andy spread a rumor about some guy, he said he walked in on the guy and the guy was fucking a bag of marshmallows while smelling a can of tuna fish
"None Too Fragile" came out around the same time as "5 against 1" - 1997 or 1998, not 2007. That might have been a reprint you've seen
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
It's time for an updated book about the band.
...I was always a DeadHead, but when I first heard Winston Rodney, aka the Burning Spear, sing, I became a SpearHead too!
as for dave, shit.. if he was irritating as a person to ed, what can you do?
would you say the same for any of the other members?
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
nope. because the other 3 were founding members.
would you say that of matt cameron?
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
if matt was irritating, sure. but judging from all the interviews i've seen of the 2 of them together, i get the impression that ed's quite the cam fan
fair enough. though that would also mean that Stone could fire Ed, since Stone was in the band before Ed.
...and yes, the choice of drummers have been dictated by ev, hence Jack and Matt.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
I couldn't agree with you more! (really) :oops:
Keep in mind that the author... along with Dave A. had a falling out with the band... agenda and # of readers had to do with at least some of the stories... right?
In fact I remember a 10C question regarding the lightbulb part of the book... the 10C replied "don't believe what you read"... this was in 1999 right after the book was published...
Kim was one of the people that PJ talk about "taking advantage of their access to the band"... and one of the reasons they shut down media wise.
As far as the modern drummer discrepancy... look at the difference in the year of publication between the Dave A. and Matt C. covers...