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  • DewieCox wrote:
    pdalowsky wrote:
    Unthought known is a classic PJ song, and its even better live.....still some of you are insistant in living in those no code and vitalogy days

    You're totally right. UK is a classic PJ song. It's called Love Boat Captain.

    Dude, I couldn't agree more. But I don't even care that's it's an LBC rewrite. I just can't get over how in love with it people around here are. As I've said before, I don't think it's a horrible song or anything, but I don't find ANYTHING about it to be special and in fact, I think the piano in it flirts with cheesy a few times.

    It's easily the most overrated song in PJ history (by the hardcore fans that is). A perfect example is this SPIN Magazine end-of-the-year readers poll. The link is a sticky over on the Red Mosquito Board. PJ fans have flooded the voting putting PJ in first for Artist, Album, AND Live Act of the Year. Don't get me wrong, that's cool that so many PJ fans have voted (including myself) but UNTHOUGHT KNOWN is leading the song of the year voting with The Fixer 3rd and Just Breathe 5th!! Again, it's cool to flood the voting (I guess), but this poll more than anything shows how in love with Unthought Known a lot of the hardcores are and I just can't figure out why: http://www.spin.com/articles/year-end-poll-2009-results
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
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  • DewieCox wrote:
    pdalowsky wrote:
    Unthought known is a classic PJ song, and its even better live.....still some of you are insistant in living in those no code and vitalogy days

    You're totally right. UK is a classic PJ song. It's called Love Boat Captain.
    No, Love Boat captain is called Wishlist! ;)



    Really, UK and LBC sound nothing alike besides the guitar strums at the beginning.

    LBC is such a depressing downer of a song. Unthought Known really kicks its ass.

    That's why Unthought Known is a rewrite. LBC is the downer version and UK is the upper version. Just because they're totally different songs doesn't mean it isn't a rewrite. John Lennon has said that Get Back is a "pot-boiler rewrite of Lady Madonna"
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718

    That's why Unthought Known is a rewrite. LBC is the downer version and UK is the upper version. Just because they're totally different songs doesn't mean it isn't a rewrite. John Lennon has said that Get Back is a "pot-boiler rewrite of Lady Madonna"
    And LBC is a rewrite of Wishlist.. You can't get over it, because you just don't get it. Nothing wrong with that, but just comes to terms that this song really hits a sweet spot for a lot of people. We ain't just making this shit up so we can piss you off. It really is a great song.. and besides the guitar at the beginning of LBC is the only thing that sounds nothing like Unthought Known. If anything, In My Tree and Wishlist are more reminicent of the song structurally.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,432
    DewieCox wrote:
    pdalowsky wrote:
    Unthought known is a classic PJ song, and its even better live.....still some of you are insistant in living in those no code and vitalogy days

    You're totally right. UK is a classic PJ song. It's called Love Boat Captain.
    No, Love Boat captain is called Wishlist! ;)



    Really, UK and LBC sound nothing alike besides the guitar strums at the beginning.

    LBC is such a depressing downer of a song. Unthought Known really kicks its ass.

    They are very similar. It really can't be argued. Not only the chords, but the dynamics of the song and even the vocal delivery is fairly similar.

    LBC is depressing b/c Ed's RA performances are depressing.
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    DewieCox wrote:

    LBC is depressing b/c Ed's RA performances are depressing.
    And the lyrics..
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,933
    I think if they release Unthought Known as a single, it will catapult Backspacer to Multi-Platinum.

    That would be quite a feat. There are only two albums that have sold 2 million copies in 2009. (Of course, you don't have to sell 2 million to be certified double platinum, you just have to ship 2 million copies.)
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,985
    edited December 2009
    You can't get over it, because you just don't get it. Nothing wrong with that, but just comes to terms that this song really hits a sweet spot for a lot of people. We ain't just making this shit up so we can piss you off.

    I don't "get" any of Backspacer. And of course I know you're not trying to piss anyone off. Maybe I have become a cynical PJ fan. Like an old school Metallica fan who can't stand their post And Justice For All albums. That's what I'm sort of becoming with PJ and it's a bummer. And it's not like I hate all the songs or anything...but nothing really interests me either. I really like World Wide Suicide. Comatose and Severed Hand I like as well. A few Riot Act songs have become nice things to hear in a live set. But the rest of self-titled and all of Backspacer...I just can't get into it.

    Take Come Back for instance. I can't stand it. It's just way too soft and boring for me as Pearl Jam song. I'm not into folk-hero Eddie: Just Breathe, The End, Thumbing My Way, Gone.....I just can't get into this stuff. And that's just me, I know some people would take those songs over a lot of songs. And it's not that I don't like their ballads because I think stuff like Off He Goes and All Those Yesterdays is great. But this stuff just doesn't grab me.

    Now on to the rockers...this is where Pearl Jam is losing me the most. The Fixer is the cheesiest thing the band has ever done. It makes Third Eye Blind and Matchbox 20 sound "heavy" by comparison. But that's just one song....there's also generic, uninspired filler tracks like Gonna See My Friend, Johnny Guitar, Unemployable, Big Wave. The chorus of Gonna See My Friend in particular....just awful.

    I dunno, I was just really bummed with Backspacer because I thought S/T was a sign of them getting their hard edge back (or maybe even trying for a harder edge). And Backspacer couldn't be further from that. Ya got Stone throwing words like "pop" around and Mike saying that they're open to writing singles specifically for radio play. Whatever. I will look forward to their next album just like I always have.
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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,933
    No, it's not too bad for me because there are hundred of songs that give me that feeling. I think Inside Job...like All or None, is a totally anti-climatic album closer. I remember reading posts when it came out calling it "epic" and comparing it to Stairway To Heaven. I couldn't disagree more....but to each their own I guess.

    "Inside Job" is opposed to the climate? I think you meant to say "anti-climactic."
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  • BF25394 wrote:
    No, it's not too bad for me because there are hundred of songs that give me that feeling. I think Inside Job...like All or None, is a totally anti-climatic album closer. I remember reading posts when it came out calling it "epic" and comparing it to Stairway To Heaven. I couldn't disagree more....but to each their own I guess.

    "Inside Job" is opposed to the climate? I think you meant to say "anti-climactic."

    Dude....................I left out one letter. Come on.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    You can't get over it, because you just don't get it. Nothing wrong with that, but just comes to terms that this song really hits a sweet spot for a lot of people. We ain't just making this shit up so we can piss you off.

    I don't "get" any of Backspacer. And of course I know you're not trying to piss anyone off. Maybe I have become a cynical PJ fan. Like an old school Metallica fan who can't stand their post And Justice For All albums. That's what I'm sort of becoming with PJ and it's a bummer. And it's not like I hate all the songs or anything...but nothing really interests me either. I really like World Wide Suicide. Comatose and Severed Hand I like as well. A few Riot Act songs have become nice things to hear in a live set. But the rest of self-titled and all of Backspacer...I just can't get into it.

    Take Come Back for instance. I can't stand it. It's just way too soft and boring for me as Pearl Jam song. I'm not into folk-hero Eddie: Just Breathe, The End, Thumbing My Way, Gone.....I just can't get into this stuff. And that's just me, I know some people would take those songs over a lot of songs. And it's not that I don't like their ballads because I think stuff like Off He Goes and All Those Yesterdays is great. But this stuff just doesn't grab me.

    Now on to the rockers...this is where Pearl Jam is losing me the most. The Fixer is the cheesiest thing the band has ever done. It makes Third Eye Blind and Matchbox 20 sound "heavy" by comparison. But that's just one song....there's also generic, uninspired filler tracks like Gonna See My Friend, Johnny Guitar, Unemployable, Big Wave. The chorus of Gonna See My Friend in particular....just awful.

    I dunno, I was just really bummed with Backspacer because I thought S/T was a sign of them getting their hard edge back (or maybe even trying for a harder edge). And Backspacer couldn't be further from that. Ya got Stone throwing words like "pop" around and Mike saying that they're open to writing singles specifically for radio play. Whatever. I will look forward to their next album just like I always have.
    My opinion is the complete opposite of what you said, but to each there own.. oh, but I do agree, Comeback sucks though. 8-)
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,933
    BF25394 wrote:
    No, it's not too bad for me because there are hundred of songs that give me that feeling. I think Inside Job...like All or None, is a totally anti-climatic album closer. I remember reading posts when it came out calling it "epic" and comparing it to Stairway To Heaven. I couldn't disagree more....but to each their own I guess.

    "Inside Job" is opposed to the climate? I think you meant to say "anti-climactic."

    Dude....................I left out one letter. Come on.

    I didn't say you were a bad person.

    It was just a little joke. They can't all be gems.
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  • You can't get over it, because you just don't get it. Nothing wrong with that, but just comes to terms that this song really hits a sweet spot for a lot of people. We ain't just making this shit up so we can piss you off.

    I don't "get" any of Backspacer. And of course I know you're not trying to piss anyone off. Maybe I have become a cynical PJ fan. Like an old school Metallica fan who can't stand their post And Justice For All albums. That's what I'm sort of becoming with PJ and it's a bummer. And it's not like I hate all the songs or anything...but nothing really interests me either. I really like World Wide Suicide. Comatose and Severed Hand I like as well. A few Riot Act songs have become nice things to hear in a live set. But the rest of self-titled and all of Backspacer...I just can't get into it.

    Take Come Back for instance. I can't stand it. It's just way too soft and boring for me as Pearl Jam song. I'm not into folk-hero Eddie: Just Breathe, The End, Thumbing My Way, Gone.....I just can't get into this stuff. And that's just me, I know some people would take those songs over a lot of songs. And it's not that I don't like their ballads because I think stuff like Off He Goes and All Those Yesterdays is great. But this stuff just doesn't grab me.

    Now on to the rockers...this is where Pearl Jam is losing me the most. The Fixer is the cheesiest thing the band has ever done. It makes Third Eye Blind and Matchbox 20 sound "heavy" by comparison. But that's just one song....there's also generic, uninspired filler tracks like Gonna See My Friend, Johnny Guitar, Unemployable, Big Wave. The chorus of Gonna See My Friend in particular....just awful.

    I dunno, I was just really bummed with Backspacer because I thought S/T was a sign of them getting their hard edge back (or maybe even trying for a harder edge). And Backspacer couldn't be further from that. Ya got Stone throwing words like "pop" around and Mike saying that they're open to writing singles specifically for radio play. Whatever. I will look forward to their next album just like I always have.
    My opinion is the complete opposite of what you said, but to each there own.. oh, but I do agree, Comeback sucks though. 8-)

    If we could agree on that, that's all I could ask for. I HATE Come Back. My buddy who is a big PJ fan too was shocked by this. "Haven't you ever lost love and wanted it to come back?" he asked me. Yes I have...I could listen to the 50 or so Paul McCartney songs about it.
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  • BF25394 wrote:
    BF25394 wrote:

    "Inside Job" is opposed to the climate? I think you meant to say "anti-climactic."

    Dude....................I left out one letter. Come on.

    I didn't say you were a bad person.

    It was just a little joke. They can't all be gems.

    No offense taken. But come on...jokes about someone's spelling? Give me one of those "A rabbi, a kangaroo, and a third baseman walk into a bar....." type of jokes or something.
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  • PureandEasyPureandEasy Posts: 5,818
    Unthought Known is fucking awesome and I am as hardcore as they come :D
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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,933
    No offense taken. But come on...jokes about someone's spelling? Give me one of those "A rabbi, a kangaroo, and a third baseman walk into a bar....." type of jokes or something.

    You're getting so defensive, I'm starting to think you really are against the climate. You're an anti-climatite!

    Anyway, so a rabbi, a priest and the climate walk into a bar. No one was hurt.
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  • BF25394 wrote:
    No offense taken. But come on...jokes about someone's spelling? Give me one of those "A rabbi, a kangaroo, and a third baseman walk into a bar....." type of jokes or something.

    You're getting so defensive, I'm starting to think you really are against the climate. You're an anti-climatite!

    Anyway, so a rabbi, a priest and the climate walk into a bar. No one was hurt.

    I'm a rabid anti-climatite
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  • StillHereStillHere Posts: 7,795
    You know, it's easy for us to forget that not everyone loves Pearl Jam or Eddie's solo stuff the same way that we do...it just consumes so much of our beings that we have difficulty fathoming why everyone else is not so deeply affected by their awesomeness....or how could anyone listen to Eddie sing a ballad like Just Breathe and not immediately fall in love?

    I'm glad though, that they are not mainstream radio fodder for the most part, other than once in a while Jeremy or Black will squeeze on through, and now, of course, The Fixer. But if PJ gathered a mainstream fanbase, I just think that the shows would suffer...with a young crowd of Pop music fans that just don't understand what it's all about.

    When I am talking among friends about the show or the band, or Eddie, and people don't know what I'm talking about and I have to explain, then it hits me, hey, this is something really special. We've got something great here, let's keep it the way it is. I understand that everyone needs to make a dime, and our boys are no different, but personally, I'd like it to stay just us, because it's so much a part of us. I need my PJ... to feel joy..to feel sorrow.. to laugh..to cry...to live...to breathe! Eddie makes my soul ache and sing at the same time, that's the only way I can explain it...I don't know what else to say.

    And only my PJ friends can truly understand what that means.

    And if they could play theatres, like the Tower in Philly, that would be so far out, I don't even know how to begin to describe how absolutely soul searing that would be!

    We'll keep on jammin' regardless...our boys may not be for everyone, but, hey, we like it that way :)
    peace,
    jo

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  • wnh1977wnh1977 Iowa Posts: 650
    "Just Breathe" moves up another notch on Billboard's rock charts. In its 9th week on the charts, it moved up one spot to its peak position of #17. "The Fixer" is still sitting at #10 with 21 weeks on the charts.

    What does this mean for Backspacer's sales? Well, it came in at #134 on the Billboard 200 for the second straight week.

    Looks like there was approximately 12 weeks between the release of "The Fixer" and "Just Breathe"... maybe we'll see a new single in early 2010?
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  • eldermanelderman Posts: 180
    You know, it's easy for us to forget that not everyone loves Pearl Jam or Eddie's solo stuff the same way that we do...it just consumes so much of our beings that we have difficulty fathoming why everyone else is not so deeply affected by their awesomeness....or how could anyone listen to Eddie sing a ballad like Just Breathe and not immediately fall in love?

    I'm glad though, that they are not mainstream radio fodder for the most part, other than once in a while Jeremy or Black will squeeze on through, and now, of course, The Fixer. But if PJ gathered a mainstream fanbase, I just think that the shows would suffer...with a young crowd of Pop music fans that just don't understand what it's all about.

    When I am talking among friends about the show or the band, or Eddie, and people don't know what I'm talking about and I have to explain, then it hits me, hey, this is something really special. We've got something great here, let's keep it the way it is. I understand that everyone needs to make a dime, and our boys are no different, but personally, I'd like it to stay just us, because it's so much a part of us. I need my PJ... to feel joy..to feel sorrow.. to laugh..to cry...to live...to breathe! Eddie makes my soul ache and sing at the same time, that's the only way I can explain it...I don't know what else to say.

    And only my PJ friends can truly understand what that means.

    And if they could play theatres, like the Tower in Philly, that would be so far out, I don't even know how to begin to describe how absolutely soul searing that would be!

    We'll keep on jammin' regardless...our boys may not be for everyone, but, hey, we like it that way :)
    Could not have said it better myself...you have only 4 posts, where have you been?
  • The ChampThe Champ Posts: 4,063
    I don't "get" any of Backspacer. And of course I know you're not trying to piss anyone off. Maybe I have become a cynical PJ fan. Like an old school Metallica fan who can't stand their post And Justice For All albums. That's what I'm sort of becoming with PJ and it's a bummer. And it's not like I hate all the songs or anything...but nothing really interests me either. I really like World Wide Suicide. Comatose and Severed Hand I like as well. A few Riot Act songs have become nice things to hear in a live set. But the rest of self-titled and all of Backspacer...I just can't get into it.

    Take Come Back for instance. I can't stand it. It's just way too soft and boring for me as Pearl Jam song. I'm not into folk-hero Eddie: Just Breathe, The End, Thumbing My Way, Gone.....I just can't get into this stuff. And that's just me, I know some people would take those songs over a lot of songs. And it's not that I don't like their ballads because I think stuff like Off He Goes and All Those Yesterdays is great. But this stuff just doesn't grab me.

    Now on to the rockers...this is where Pearl Jam is losing me the most. The Fixer is the cheesiest thing the band has ever done. It makes Third Eye Blind and Matchbox 20 sound "heavy" by comparison. But that's just one song....there's also generic, uninspired filler tracks like Gonna See My Friend, Johnny Guitar, Unemployable, Big Wave. The chorus of Gonna See My Friend in particular....just awful.

    I dunno, I was just really bummed with Backspacer because I thought S/T was a sign of them getting their hard edge back (or maybe even trying for a harder edge). And Backspacer couldn't be further from that. Ya got Stone throwing words like "pop" around and Mike saying that they're open to writing singles specifically for radio play. Whatever. I will look forward to their next album just like I always have.

    I disagree with everything except for The Fixer being cheesy as I completely agree with that notion....the rest is obviously a bunch of bs ;) ....everything is relative....I got goosebumps for the first time via Avocado during Come Back, and I experienced the same feeling during the first spin of Backspacer courtesy of Unthought Known....so what does that say? Sure as fuck I am no PJ herd follower....yellow ledbetter is by far the best song ever created in my opinion..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • The Champ wrote:
    I don't "get" any of Backspacer. And of course I know you're not trying to piss anyone off. Maybe I have become a cynical PJ fan. Like an old school Metallica fan who can't stand their post And Justice For All albums. That's what I'm sort of becoming with PJ and it's a bummer. And it's not like I hate all the songs or anything...but nothing really interests me either. I really like World Wide Suicide. Comatose and Severed Hand I like as well. A few Riot Act songs have become nice things to hear in a live set. But the rest of self-titled and all of Backspacer...I just can't get into it.

    Take Come Back for instance. I can't stand it. It's just way too soft and boring for me as Pearl Jam song. I'm not into folk-hero Eddie: Just Breathe, The End, Thumbing My Way, Gone.....I just can't get into this stuff. And that's just me, I know some people would take those songs over a lot of songs. And it's not that I don't like their ballads because I think stuff like Off He Goes and All Those Yesterdays is great. But this stuff just doesn't grab me.

    Now on to the rockers...this is where Pearl Jam is losing me the most. The Fixer is the cheesiest thing the band has ever done. It makes Third Eye Blind and Matchbox 20 sound "heavy" by comparison. But that's just one song....there's also generic, uninspired filler tracks like Gonna See My Friend, Johnny Guitar, Unemployable, Big Wave. The chorus of Gonna See My Friend in particular....just awful.

    I dunno, I was just really bummed with Backspacer because I thought S/T was a sign of them getting their hard edge back (or maybe even trying for a harder edge). And Backspacer couldn't be further from that. Ya got Stone throwing words like "pop" around and Mike saying that they're open to writing singles specifically for radio play. Whatever. I will look forward to their next album just like I always have.

    I disagree with everything except for The Fixer being cheesy as I completely agree with that notion....the rest is obviously a bunch of bs ;) ....everything is relative....I got goosebumps for the first time via Avocado during Come Back, and I experienced the same feeling during the first spin of Backspacer courtesy of Unthought Known....so what does that say? Sure as fuck I am no PJ herd follower....yellow ledbetter is by far the best song ever created in my opinion..

    As long as we can agree that The Fixer blows.
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  • The Champ wrote:
    I don't "get" any of Backspacer. And of course I know you're not trying to piss anyone off. Maybe I have become a cynical PJ fan. Like an old school Metallica fan who can't stand their post And Justice For All albums. That's what I'm sort of becoming with PJ and it's a bummer. And it's not like I hate all the songs or anything...but nothing really interests me either. I really like World Wide Suicide. Comatose and Severed Hand I like as well. A few Riot Act songs have become nice things to hear in a live set. But the rest of self-titled and all of Backspacer...I just can't get into it.

    Take Come Back for instance. I can't stand it. It's just way too soft and boring for me as Pearl Jam song. I'm not into folk-hero Eddie: Just Breathe, The End, Thumbing My Way, Gone.....I just can't get into this stuff. And that's just me, I know some people would take those songs over a lot of songs. And it's not that I don't like their ballads because I think stuff like Off He Goes and All Those Yesterdays is great. But this stuff just doesn't grab me.

    Now on to the rockers...this is where Pearl Jam is losing me the most. The Fixer is the cheesiest thing the band has ever done. It makes Third Eye Blind and Matchbox 20 sound "heavy" by comparison. But that's just one song....there's also generic, uninspired filler tracks like Gonna See My Friend, Johnny Guitar, Unemployable, Big Wave. The chorus of Gonna See My Friend in particular....just awful.

    I dunno, I was just really bummed with Backspacer because I thought S/T was a sign of them getting their hard edge back (or maybe even trying for a harder edge). And Backspacer couldn't be further from that. Ya got Stone throwing words like "pop" around and Mike saying that they're open to writing singles specifically for radio play. Whatever. I will look forward to their next album just like I always have.

    I disagree with everything except for The Fixer being cheesy as I completely agree with that notion....the rest is obviously a bunch of bs ;) ....everything is relative....I got goosebumps for the first time via Avocado during Come Back, and I experienced the same feeling during the first spin of Backspacer courtesy of Unthought Known....so what does that say? Sure as fuck I am no PJ herd follower....yellow ledbetter is by far the best song ever created in my opinion..

    As long as we can agree that The Fixer blows.

    I would ask to give The Fixer another chance. I didn't really like it at first, but now I am listening to it at least once a day. Its a really fun song, which does contrast with most of Pearl Jam's music, so I understand why people hate. Yea yea yea!
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  • I don't understand the negative feelings towards "The Fixer". I think it is a phenomenal song. Just beacause it's a pop song does not mean it's a bad song.

    I love the lyrics. They're simple and straightforward, but there is nothing wrong with that. They are hopeful and longing. I love Ed's delivery to. The guitar intro is great. The bridge is awesome with the piano on top. The whole song is just so tight, concise, and meaningful. I'm not saying I'd want 11 of these types of songs on an album, but it is very refreshing.

    I think people mistake simplicity for a lack of sophistication or meaning. Not every song should be some cryptic poem with a crazy time signature. Those kinds of songs are good in spots but I feel that there were too many of those songs on previous albums.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,590
    You know, it's easy for us to forget that not everyone loves Pearl Jam or Eddie's solo stuff the same way that we do...it just consumes so much of our beings that we have difficulty fathoming why everyone else is not so deeply affected by their awesomeness....or how could anyone listen to Eddie sing a ballad like Just Breathe and not immediately fall in love?

    I'm glad though, that they are not mainstream radio fodder for the most part, other than once in a while Jeremy or Black will squeeze on through, and now, of course, The Fixer. But if PJ gathered a mainstream fanbase, I just think that the shows would suffer...with a young crowd of Pop music fans that just don't understand what it's all about.

    When I am talking among friends about the show or the band, or Eddie, and people don't know what I'm talking about and I have to explain, then it hits me, hey, this is something really special. We've got something great here, let's keep it the way it is. I understand that everyone needs to make a dime, and our boys are no different, but personally, I'd like it to stay just us, because it's so much a part of us. I need my PJ... to feel joy..to feel sorrow.. to laugh..to cry...to live...to breathe! Eddie makes my soul ache and sing at the same time, that's the only way I can explain it...I don't know what else to say.

    And only my PJ friends can truly understand what that means.

    And if they could play theatres, like the Tower in Philly, that would be so far out, I don't even know how to begin to describe how absolutely soul searing that would be!

    We'll keep on jammin' regardless...our boys may not be for everyone, but, hey, we like it that way :)

    this would make a lot more sense if they were not once the biggest band in the world who tried, with their last two albums, to climb back up the popularity ladder... but failed for the most part...
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  • thefin190 wrote:

    As long as we can agree that The Fixer blows.

    I would ask to give The Fixer another chance. I didn't really like it at first, but now I am listening to it at least once a day. Its a really fun song, which does contrast with most of Pearl Jam's music, so I understand why people hate. Yea yea yea!

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  • FeiracoFeiraco Amsterdam Posts: 255
    Well, trying to get back on topic here....

    If the Billboard charts are the reference if Just Breathe is ''doing it", the single has been climbing steadily. But it faces heavy competition of the The Fixer itself, a more radio-friendly song. Anyway, personally I listen to music radio in my own country for a few hours per year, but I've heard Just Breathe at least once.

    Has Guaranteed 'done it'? It received an award and I think it's generally liked, but what did the charts say? Maybe if Just Breathe accompanied a great movie, it would have been different.
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  • doomponydoompony Wellington, NZ Posts: 4,501
    a random girl at work said to me yesterday that she'd heard the new pearl jam song and loved it. apparently it's being thrashed on the radio here. so it did it for her.

    it does it for me.


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  • TJ25487TJ25487 Posts: 1,501
    T-Bone 82 wrote:
    I don't understand the negative feelings towards "The Fixer". I think it is a phenomenal song. Just beacause it's a pop song does not mean it's a bad song.

    I love the lyrics. They're simple and straightforward, but there is nothing wrong with that. They are hopeful and longing. I love Ed's delivery to. The guitar intro is great. The bridge is awesome with the piano on top. The whole song is just so tight, concise, and meaningful. I'm not saying I'd want 11 of these types of songs on an album, but it is very refreshing.

    I think people mistake simplicity for a lack of sophistication or meaning. Not every song should be some cryptic poem with a crazy time signature. Those kinds of songs are good in spots but I feel that there were too many of those songs on previous albums.

    You have hit the nail on the head my friend. Great job!
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Being the nerd I am, I've been checking the playlists of a few Chicago stations, and just noticed Just Breathe got added to the Mix, a top 40 type, pop station here in Chicago. Not a station I listen to, but its cool to see Just Breathe on there. The Fixer never even made it to this station.

    Just Breathe is slowly working its way up. Pop stations are just now beginning to add it. I think Last Kiss was the last song to make it past alternative and rock radio.

    Lady Gaga, Kelly Clarkson and NEW Pearl Jam on the same station.. who would have thunk. lol
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