Christian version of Darwin's Origin of Species

TriumphantAngel · November 2009

cornnifer wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

the bible may not have said that the earth was the centre of the universe, but the catholic church condemned Galileo for his heliocentric view of the solar system...
and i think a lot of people believe whatever the catholic church tells them.... like its alright to live in poverty with 12 children raising them with no food on the table and keep having more kids... or that condoms make aids worse (says the pope)...

First of all you are REALLY reaching here. "Well, uh, yeah, but, um, yeah the Bible says absolutely dick about the earth being the center of the earth, but the political arm of the highly religified catholic church, at the time, condemned Galileo for his views of the solar system, so it really is the same thing, blah, blah,blah..."

Please.
BTW, you do realize, don't you, that Galileo WAS a Christian! Do you think at all before you post this tripe?

to play devils advocate here, it's unfair to call the whole post tripe.

pope Benedict did utter the ridiculous statement that 'condoms only aggravate the problem.' i mean c'mon, that from the head of the catholic church? his words influence hundreds of thousands of people all over the world. the catholic church have gotten so out of touch with reality. at least thats how i see it.

perhaps he's already living in 'heaven', and it's only the rest of us who are expected to face reality here on earth.

Random_Wookie · November 2009

cornnifer wrote:

First of all you are REALLY reaching here. "Well, uh, yeah, but, um, yeah the Bible says absolutely dick about the earth being the center of the earth, but the political arm of the highly religified catholic church, at the time, condemned Galileo for his views of the solar system, so it really is the same thing, blah, blah,blah..."

Please.
BTW, you do realize, don't you, that Galileo WAS a Christian! Do you think at all before you post this tripe?

it does not matter that galileo's was a christian, he could have been a budist monk for all that it matters. What matters is the fact the the catholic church held these views.

cornnifer · November 2009

Random_Wookie wrote:

cornnifer wrote:

First of all you are REALLY reaching here. "Well, uh, yeah, but, um, yeah the Bible says absolutely dick about the earth being the center of the earth, but the political arm of the highly religified catholic church, at the time, condemned Galileo for his views of the solar system, so it really is the same thing, blah, blah,blah..."

Please.
BTW, you do realize, don't you, that Galileo WAS a Christian! Do you think at all before you post this tripe?

it does not matter that galileo's was a christian, he could have been a budist monk for all that it matters. What matters is the fact the the catholic church held these views.

Doesn't matter!? How does it not matter? To say that Christianity/the Bible teaches that the world is the center of the universe, when it absolutely does not, and support that lame argument by saying the political arm of the Catholic church (the terms Catholic and Christian cannot be used interchangeably, by the way) condemned Galileo for hypothesizing otherwise, when Galileo himself was a Christian, is by definition, absurd.
Doesn't matter? Of course it matters. It renders the whole argument hogwash!

soulsinging · November 2009

cornnifer wrote:

Random_Wookie wrote:

it does not matter that galileo's was a christian, he could have been a budist monk for all that it matters. What matters is the fact the the catholic church held these views.

Doesn't matter!? How does it not matter? To say that Christianity/the Bible teaches that the world is the center of the universe, when it absolutely does not, and support that lame argument by saying the political arm of the Catholic church (the terms Catholic and Christian cannot be used interchangeably, by the way) condemned Galileo for hypothesizing otherwise, when Galileo himself was a Christian, is by definition, absurd.
Doesn't matter? Of course it matters. It renders the whole argument hogwash!

i agree with you here. the bible's pretty vague on the topic. hell, the catholic church has now come out and said creationism has no business being taught as science and there's no reason the two are mutually exclusive. but in any event, you're right that they're not interchangeable.

how's that for me not understanding shit about the christian faith?

MrMerkinball · November 2009

he's sitting backwards on his chair...I can now relate to him. Let's listen to what he says!!

Random_Wookie · November 2009

cornnifer wrote:

Random_Wookie wrote:

cornnifer wrote:

First of all you are REALLY reaching here. "Well, uh, yeah, but, um, yeah the Bible says absolutely dick about the earth being the center of the earth, but the political arm of the highly religified catholic church, at the time, condemned Galileo for his views of the solar system, so it really is the same thing, blah, blah,blah..."

Please.
BTW, you do realize, don't you, that Galileo WAS a Christian! Do you think at all before you post this tripe?

it does not matter that galileo's was a christian, he could have been a budist monk for all that it matters. What matters is the fact the the catholic church held these views.

Doesn't matter!? How does it not matter? To say that Christianity/the Bible teaches that the world is the center of the universe, when it absolutely does not, and support that lame argument by saying the political arm of the Catholic church (the terms Catholic and Christian cannot be used interchangeably, by the way) condemned Galileo for hypothesizing otherwise, when Galileo himself was a Christian, is by definition, absurd.
Doesn't matter? Of course it matters. It renders the whole argument hogwash!

I was under the assumption that christian and catholics are basically one in the same with only very slight differences. With the christian faith being born (for lack of a better word) from the catholic faith. This could be related to my lack of understanding of these religions or that I an enlighten enough to see them for what they are.

soulsinging · November 2009

Random_Wookie wrote:

I was under the assumption that christian and catholics are basically one in the same with only very slight differences. With the christian faith being born (for lack of a better word) from the catholic faith. This could be related to my lack of understanding of these religions or that I an enlighten enough to see them for what they are.

at times, different sects of christianity are more different than, say, the catholic church and orthodox judaism.

Random_Wookie · November 2009

soulsinging wrote:

Random_Wookie wrote:

I was under the assumption that christian and catholics are basically one in the same with only very slight differences. With the christian faith being born (for lack of a better word) from the catholic faith. This could be related to my lack of understanding of these religions or that I an enlighten enough to see them for what they are.

at times, different sects of christianity are more different than, say, the catholic church and orthodox judaism.

true but if you look at it they have borrowed a lot from other religions

catefrances · November 2009

Random_Wookie wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Random_Wookie wrote:

I was under the assumption that christian and catholics are basically one in the same with only very slight differences. With the christian faith being born (for lack of a better word) from the catholic faith. This could be related to my lack of understanding of these religions or that I an enlighten enough to see them for what they are.

at times, different sects of christianity are more different than, say, the catholic church and orthodox judaism.

true but if you look at it they have borrowed a lot from other religions

such as???

soulsinging · November 2009

Random_Wookie wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Random_Wookie wrote:

I was under the assumption that christian and catholics are basically one in the same with only very slight differences. With the christian faith being born (for lack of a better word) from the catholic faith. This could be related to my lack of understanding of these religions or that I an enlighten enough to see them for what they are.

at times, different sects of christianity are more different than, say, the catholic church and orthodox judaism.

true but if you look at it they have borrowed a lot from other religions

who are "they"?

Shawshank · November 2009

Christians (not the zealots, not the holier-than-thou, not the rampaging haters), true Christians have very very little in common with Catholics. To be honest, catholicism has become exactly what Jesus preached against (very legalistic, formal, ceremonial, exclusive, etc.). Christianity in itself is not a religion. Religion is people's way to try and connect to God. Christianity is God's way to connect with His People. True Christians don't have to force their beliefs on anyone, because their lives actually reflect those beliefs in a way that glorifies God. If more Christians actually lived the life we are called to live, there would be no need to go around pitching our beliefs like a car salesman. Their actions would speak for them. Unfortunately, many Christians, especially myself, don't live up to that standard. I've said many times, and I always will believe that Christians do more harm to the image of Christianity than any other group could ever do.

Random_Wookie · November 2009

catefrances wrote:

such as???

christmas for one, it was a pagan festival of something can not remember will go look it up.

soulsinging · November 2009

Shawshank wrote:

Christians (not the zealots, not the holier-than-thou, not the rampaging haters), true Christians have very very little in common with Catholics. To be honest, catholicism has become exactly what Jesus preached against (very legalistic, formal, ceremonial, exclusive, etc.). Christianity in itself is not a religion. Religion is people's way to try and connect to God. Christianity is God's way to connect with His People. True Christians don't have to force their beliefs on anyone, because their lives actually reflect those beliefs in a way that glorifies God. If more Christians actually lived the life we are called to live, there would be no need to go around pitching our beliefs like a car salesman. Their actions would speak for them. Unfortunately, many Christians, especially myself, don't live up to that standard. I've said many times, and I always will believe that Christians do more harm to the image of Christianity than any other group could ever do.

christianity is still a religion even if it's not catholic. there is a set sacred text, set core beliefs, certain rituals and traditions that must be recognized. you all act like being a christian is just like saying 'i'm a pacifist.' there's more to it than spirituality/ideology. you must accept certain beliefs to be christian. it is a religion, even if you're not going to a catholic mass weekly.

pandora · November 2009

soulsinging wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

Christians (not the zealots, not the holier-than-thou, not the rampaging haters), true Christians have very very little in common with Catholics. To be honest, catholicism has become exactly what Jesus preached against (very legalistic, formal, ceremonial, exclusive, etc.). Christianity in itself is not a religion. Religion is people's way to try and connect to God. Christianity is God's way to connect with His People. True Christians don't have to force their beliefs on anyone, because their lives actually reflect those beliefs in a way that glorifies God. If more Christians actually lived the life we are called to live, there would be no need to go around pitching our beliefs like a car salesman. Their actions would speak for them. Unfortunately, many Christians, especially myself, don't live up to that standard. I've said many times, and I always will believe that Christians do more harm to the image of Christianity than any other group could ever do.

christianity is still a religion even if it's not catholic. there is a set sacred text, set core beliefs, certain rituals and traditions that must be recognized. you all act like being a christian is just like saying 'i'm a pacifist.' there's more to it than spirituality/ideology. you must accept certain beliefs to be christian. it is a religion, even if you're not going to a catholic mass weekly.

cool then I'll be a thoughtful spiritual person who believes there is without doubt a God and an afterlife. I will believe Jesus was a most wonderful man who I strive to be more like and who I believe I may be lucky enough to meet one day.A man who I thoroughly believe influences my life for the better and can in the toughest times feel him there with me. For me thats being a Christian person.

Gern Blansten · November 2009

I can't make up my mind....should I believe in Jesus? Joseph Smith? L Ron Hubbard?

I just don't know

soulsinging · November 2009

pandora wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

christianity is still a religion even if it's not catholic. there is a set sacred text, set core beliefs, certain rituals and traditions that must be recognized. you all act like being a christian is just like saying 'i'm a pacifist.' there's more to it than spirituality/ideology. you must accept certain beliefs to be christian. it is a religion, even if you're not going to a catholic mass weekly.

cool then I'll be a thoughtful spiritual person who believes there is without doubt a God and an afterlife. I will believe Jesus was a most wonderful man who I strive to be more like and who I believe I may be lucky enough to meet one day.A man who I thoroughly believe influences my life for the better and can in the toughest times feel him there with me. For me thats being a Christian person.

do you believe he is the divine son of god? if so, you're religious. the fact that you're way too hip and trendy to attend services and have adapted hippy-style self-actualization goals instead of bartering to get into heaven does not change that. if you don't believe jesus is the son of god, you're not a christian.

he still stands · November 2009

soulsinging wrote:

pandora wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

christianity is still a religion even if it's not catholic. there is a set sacred text, set core beliefs, certain rituals and traditions that must be recognized. you all act like being a christian is just like saying 'i'm a pacifist.' there's more to it than spirituality/ideology. you must accept certain beliefs to be christian. it is a religion, even if you're not going to a catholic mass weekly.

cool then I'll be a thoughtful spiritual person who believes there is without doubt a God and an afterlife. I will believe Jesus was a most wonderful man who I strive to be more like and who I believe I may be lucky enough to meet one day.A man who I thoroughly believe influences my life for the better and can in the toughest times feel him there with me. For me thats being a Christian person.

do you believe he is the divine son of god? if so, you're religious. the fact that you're way too hip and trendy to attend services and have adapted hippy-style self-actualization goals instead of bartering to get into heaven does not change that. if you don't believe jesus is the son of god, you're not a christian.

what if you believe we are ALL the son of god, including Jesus? It seems to me that is what Jesus was sayin.

ps. I'm not saying I believe that...

soulsinging · November 2009

he still stands wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

do you believe he is the divine son of god? if so, you're religious. the fact that you're way too hip and trendy to attend services and have adapted hippy-style self-actualization goals instead of bartering to get into heaven does not change that. if you don't believe jesus is the son of god, you're not a christian.

what if you believe we are ALL the son of god, including Jesus? It seems to me that is what Jesus was sayin.

ps. I'm not saying I believe that...

then you aren't christian. you can't claim to be a christian and then just try to dodge the blatant irrationalities of the bible by using some legal hair-splitting to try and convince yourself jesus never claimed to be divine. that's for people too cool and smart to really buy into christianity, but too beholden to their parents and peer pressure to dismiss it for the mythological hokum it is.

pandora · November 2009

soulsinging wrote:

pandora wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

christianity is still a religion even if it's not catholic. there is a set sacred text, set core beliefs, certain rituals and traditions that must be recognized. you all act like being a christian is just like saying 'i'm a pacifist.' there's more to it than spirituality/ideology. you must accept certain beliefs to be christian. it is a religion, even if you're not going to a catholic mass weekly.

cool then I'll be a thoughtful spiritual person who believes there is without doubt a God and an afterlife. I will believe Jesus was a most wonderful man who I strive to be more like and who I believe I may be lucky enough to meet one day.A man who I thoroughly believe influences my life for the better and can in the toughest times feel him there with me. For me thats being a Christian person.

do you believe he is the divine son of god? if so, you're religious. the fact that you're way too hip and trendy to attend services and have adapted hippy-style self-actualization goals instead of bartering to get into heaven does not change that. if you don't believe jesus is the son of god, you're not a christian.

semantics perhaps- we are all the son of God soulsinging -Divine or otherwise is totally irrelevant to me that is religion. I am not a hip and trendy kind of chick- you don't know me very well but you choose not to I guess. I know about my future without doubt- I have found peace in that. Why does this bother you?

soulsinging · November 2009

pandora wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

do you believe he is the divine son of god? if so, you're religious. the fact that you're way too hip and trendy to attend services and have adapted hippy-style self-actualization goals instead of bartering to get into heaven does not change that. if you don't believe jesus is the son of god, you're not a christian.

semantics perhaps- we are all the son of God soulsinging -Divine or otherwise is totally irrelevant to me that is religion. I am not a hip and trendy kind of chick- you don't know me very well but you choose not to I guess. I know about my future without doubt- I have found peace in that. Why does this bother you?

then you are no more a christian than some college kid with a few che guevera posters was part of the revolution. you're just using the bible as a glorified self help book, like AA's big book or the 7 habits of highly effective people.

you finding peace doesnt bother me. i find it kinda pathetic that you claim to know your future, becos nobody knows what happens when we die. you believe or have faith that the book you picked to be your self help guide got it right, that's the extent of your knowledge. but this is what bothers me... the dumbing down of humanity and our unwillingness to let go of outdated superstitions becos we're too weak and scared to face death on real terms. we're still like children aafraid of the boogie man. in the end, it's not that big a deal though, so long as you keep your quaint myths to yourself.

Christian version of Darwin's Origin of Species

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