McCready's quote in Spin concerns me....

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

do you honestly believe pearl jam is conformist?! :wtf:
seriously?


have they learned to fight their battles, to compromise, to work towards their own 'greater good'.....i think so.
i also think, pearl jam has always chosen to do things on THEIR terms, and they still ARE. the fact that you or anyone may disagree/dislike it, well, i am sure they aware that will happen too, and apparently, they are a-ok with it. they have to do what feels right for them. i agree. i expect nothing less of anyone.

also, as to the fire being gone and th best behind them, while i understand that thinking, i do have to disagree. perhaps their music that will stand the test of time Is in their past....but that in no way insinuates that they have no fire, and that they are on the downward slope. i am not too much younger than them and while sure...my wild days may be a bit behind me, i also still manage to do things that thrill and excite me, and hell NO....i do not believe my life is downhill from here in out. it's all perspective. i see it as they have GROWN, they have matured...it's a new and different chapter in their lives. thy are no longer angry young men, but mature men, with a lot of love and happiness in their lives...and enjoying that. i say, good for them. it's what we all strive for.

do you think the minutemen of mass. didn't love their families? do you think they didn't want to be happy and live in peace? of course they did...but a man has to do what a man has to do..which is fight the good fight...PJ used to do that...now it's like they just wanna lay down and be happy when the world is even more fucked up now than it was in the '90s!!!that is the fire i was talking about.

ok, you have now gone off the deepend...hahahaha!
you are comparing the minutemen, fighting for their freedoms, to um....a rockband?!
i don't see pearl jam 'lying down' not at all. however, we obviously see things differently.


as to your assertions here, all i can ask is as a non-conformist father yourself....what you giving?

Johnny Sitar wrote:

About halfway through the article, he is being asked about how PJ basically sabotaged their own career with no videos, the TM fiasco, etc, and this is a direct quote:

"We've always tried to subvert the business, But now that we're putting out a record on our own, we're taking on the responsibility of sinking or swimming ourselves. If that means writing a song that sounds like a mainstream radio hit, we're going to do that. And if it means going on TV to promote ourselves, we're going to do that too".

I have nothing against them promoting themselves. I'm not one of those nutjob Pearl Jam "purists" that judge all their decisions at every turn. The only part that didn't sit well with me was "...If that means writing a song that sounds like a mainstream radio hit, we're going to do that.".

Am I reading that wrong? I am taking that as they have no problem deliberately writing a song so it gets on the radio. Or is he just saying if they write a song that HAPPENS to sound mainstream, they won't purposely shelve it for Lost Dogs 2 like they did in the past?
I sure hope he meant the latter. Obviously, it's their band, and their career. I am not going to stand up on my soapbox and tell them what they should or shouldn't do. I just hopefully got the wrong impression that they would have no problem pandering to the masses if they felt like it.

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This is a great topic.
I'd say, it's clear to see 1992 from 2009, not easy to see 2009 from 1992. Who'd have thought that things in the recording industry would have changed so drastically? Sure, formats change... but an entire upheaval of the industry? And at age 20something, age 40something is almost incomprehensible.
But, things have changed, the market has changed and people have changed. It all depends on where they go from here... and whether or not we choose to follow.
If Pearl Jam tries to make songs that are rehashed copies of past successes... releasing something like 'Grievin' Slow' or 'Improved Man', then, yeah, that would suck. If I want a band that makes all of their songs based on their past hits, I'd be in the Blink-182 Fan Club. That recycled shit gets old, really fast.
But, if they want to make songs that are radio hits... that are capable of capturing a wide... and still play true to their artistic capabilities. Like from 'Backspacer'... how great is 'Unthought Known'? That would get radio play. Initially, from the Pearl Jam brand name, but I think it would receive wide acceptance. Maybe tougher now, since the B-Side of 'Got Some' seems to be getting play, but you get the gist.
Sure, you are not going to get the mass appeal of a Kelly Clarkson or 'Name-Of-Rapper-Du-Jour here', but, you will get those kids that are not looking for that kind of shit.
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Finally... to the 'Sell-Out' calling shitheads... fuck 'em. They can leave this trip anytime they want. They are typically talentless nobodys who possess nothing worth buying. Pearl Jam will basically remain a cult band and not a mass appeal band, like U2. They can still carve out a living... as comfortably living artists. They don't have to be mega-luxury rock stars.
Hopefully, they will continue to follow the Neil Young model... and avoid the KIZZ path.

norm wrote:

pearl jam is a rock band...nothing more and nothing less

norm, ever thought your inner-koala embracing self....would be a voice of reason? :wtf: :shock:
well said.

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

as to your assertions here, all i can ask is as a non-conformist father yourself....what you giving?

i do and have done plenty!...i will not speak of what around here...but i am an activist...and if i had the ear of as many people as Ed does, i would never stop speaking out!!

and i personally believe that ed and the band can all make that assertion as well. the fact that you, personally, feel they are not doing 'enough'....or perhaps wht you think they 'should' do...is on you, not them. once again, pj is true to themselves. i see them behind plenty of causes, even today. as ever, it's all perspective...

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

i do and have done plenty!...i will not speak of what around here...but i am an activist...and if i had the ear of as many people as Ed does, i would never stop speaking out!!

and i personally believe that ed and the band can all make that assertion as well. the fact that you, personally, feel they are not doing 'enough'....or perhaps wht you think they 'should' do...is on you, not them. once again, pj is true to themselves. i see them behind plenty of causes, even today. as ever, it's all perspective...

please!!! him talking about the war and Bush at every show...then enter Obama and NOTHING?!?! Obama is doing the same shit Bush was!!!! If i know this Ed must know it too!!!! yet he's "happy now"? fuck that!! he just put on blinders!! never thought i'd see the day! oh well....

or...he sees things differently from you.
anyhoo, i've said my peace....agree, disagree...c'est la vie.
ed's a big boy, i think he can handle yours, and many other's, criticisms.

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

or...he sees things differently from you.
anyhoo, i've said my peace....agree, disagree...c'est la vie.
ed's a big boy, i think he can handle yours, and many other's, criticisms.

it's cool...some people will make excuses for them no matter what they do or don't do...i'm not one of those people.

take care D2D...ttyl

nor am i.


as i said, i have never...nor will i ever....hold pj up to a higher standard, nor place them on a pedestal. just you, me, and perhaps ed....see things differently. that is not 'making excuses' not at all. it's....seeing, things. differently.

ciao!