Eddie Vedder is an Atheist...and I'm proud of him.

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  • lennybenny
    lennybenny Posts: 37
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

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  • Jackieboy
    Jackieboy Posts: 78
    bicyclejoe wrote:
    If Eddie is an atheist, why does he acknowledge God so often on the last album? Marker in the Sand resembles one of David's Psalms of lamentation.

    "God, what do you say?"

    That's not something an atheist would ask.

    Right, I'm an atheist and I could write lyrics containing (the word) or concerning god.
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    grazman wrote:
    Well, there are many explanations as to how planets form, how life on earth began and to dismiss those because your brain cant handle it is ignorance in my opinion. Also the human body is complicated and 'perfect' (o really!) because it has been evolving for around 5 billion years through natural selection and evolution.

    the big bang theory..here we go..two rocks collide and all the delicate,specific, and complicated parts the the world just come together in perfect harmony

    now that is more unbelievable than religion
  • bluemonkey
    bluemonkey Posts: 198
    i'm a proud atheist as well.
  • bronzeback
    bronzeback Posts: 36
    Its my understanding that

    Atheist do not believe in any God, in any shape or form. Basically God is nonexistant.

    Agnostics do not believe in God as well, BUT, they cannot dispove the existance of said God. Meaning they arent quite sure either way, but they choose NOT to believe there is one God. but they cant commit to a total nonexistant God either.


    So IMHO, given EV seems to "call out" God or references God in some manner in his lyrics or day to day life, would lead me to belive he is more agnostic than atheist. Meaning, he isnt quite sure either.
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  • Come Back in Black
    Come Back in Black Posts: 659
    pjalive21 wrote:
    the big bang theory..here we go..two rocks collide and all the delicate,specific, and complicated parts the the world just come together in perfect harmony

    now that is more unbelievable than religion

    There are no rocks in the big bang theory guy....

    Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you should accept sorcery and magic stories as fact.
  • EvilRabbit
    EvilRabbit Posts: 286
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I'm agnostic.. what you just said makes you as guilty as religious people looking down on others for not believing.

    Sorry if that offends you, but I believe it's true. The more evolved one is, the less they believe in or put weight in religion. Religion and belief in a sky-God should be left behind, along with alchemy, astrology, etc. It's obsolete and counterproductive to the advancement of modern society.

    There are a lot of great and good things about religion and it makes people do good deeds. However, all of those things could be done by secularists and, sadly, the Bible also makes good people do very horrible things.

    In response to the believers who claim 9/11 was more about power/money than religion... If people did not believe in an after-life (and all those virgins), there would be no suicide bombers or suicidal hijackers. They're only willing to die because they value the next life more than this one.

    As for morality, I believe it's innate. I knew at a very young age when I was being naughty or nice. I didn't need a pastor or a book to tell me so. All those people wouldn't have made it through the desert to receive the 10 commandments if they didn't already possess morality. What stopped them from killing and stealing before they were handed the 10 commandments?
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  • Come Back in Black
    Come Back in Black Posts: 659
    EvilRabbit wrote:
    Sorry if that offends you, but I believe it's true. The more evolved one is, the less they believe in or put weight in religion. Religion and belief in a sky-God should be left behind, along with alchemy, astrology, etc. It's obsolete and counterproductive to the advancement of modern society.

    There are a lot of great and good things about religion and it makes people do good deeds. However, all of those things could be done by secularists and, sadly, the Bible also makes good people do very horrible things.

    In response to the believers who claim 9/11 was more about power/money than religion... If people did not believe in an after-life (and all those virgins), there would be no suicide bombers or suicidal hijackers. They're only willing to die because they value the next life more than this one.

    As for morality, I believe it's innate. I knew at a very young age when I was being naughty or nice. I didn't need a pastor or a book to tell me so. All those people wouldn't have made it through the desert to receive the 10 commandments if they didn't already possess morality. What stopped them from killing and stealing before they were handed the 10 commandments?


    The more evolved one is, the less they believe their views make them more evolved then someone else.
  • EvilRabbit
    EvilRabbit Posts: 286
    Come Back in Black wrote:
    The more evolved one is, the less they believe their views make them more evolved then someone else.

    That just makes them more polite, not more evolved.

    "It could be said that life is too short to worry about criticizing the religious beliefs of others. However, if we do not, life could turn out to be a whole lot shorter." - Ben Ridge
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  • Danimal
    Danimal Posts: 2,000
    I'm proud that Eddie smokes butts.
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  • Pearl Juli
    Pearl Juli Posts: 1,213
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Oh, by all means, I was just responding to SoJ's particular point. But killing for territory still falls under the same evolutionary umbrella - it keeps the lion population at a size the land can handle. It's not the same as killing just because... y'know... it was a little bit boring for a while. :p

    This got me thinking...killing for territory...mmm...lots of conquests and people killed for territory among other things throughout history...just like lions. Is it justified? Then you have crimes of passion. Don't some animal species fight and/or kill each other in order to have the rights to a female counterpart? is it justified?

    This is interesting :)
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Surf Life wrote:
    it's usually not something someone comes too overnight. Usually they take a great deal of time to think over what it means.

    Came to me pretty quick....

    Social Studies...about 5th grade or so....teacher says "The Greeks believed in many gods in order to understand the world, like Neptune and the oceans" So at that moment I knew....same sh*t.

    Its one thing to question what it all means, how everything got here...the beginning. But to believe in the pageantry and holy books written by humans and the corresponding fantasies...seems a bit silly to me..but if it helps some...more power to them.

    I don't know what Ed or other members of the band think adn don't really care........but would find it highly amusing to watch them read and respond to this thread.... be some funny stuff.
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  • Im still here
    Im still here Posts: 826
    The Long Road wrote:
    This is from wikipedia in regards to eddie's religious beliefs. And I agree with this statement 100%. How many people have died and will die in this world in the name of Religion? My two friends would still be alive and working in the World Trade Center right now, if it weren't for religion playing such a major part in the destruction caused on 9/11. There is nothing wrong with being an atheist. Some people believe in God....and some don't.



    [edit] Religion
    Eddie Vedder is an atheist. There have been several instances in which Vedder has made athiest statements. At a concert in July 1998, he stated, "I would thank God, but I don't believe in it."[45] When asked in a 1998 interview about his feelings on God, Vedder responded:

    "I think it's like a movie that was way too popular. It's a story that's been told too many times and just doesn't mean anything. Man lived on the planet -- [placing his fingers an inch apart], this is 5000 years of semi-recorded history. And God and the Bible, that came in somewhere around the middle, maybe 2000. This is the last 2000, this is what we're about to celebrate [indicating about an 1/8th of an inch with his fingers]. Now, humans, in some shape or form, have been on the Earth for three million years [pointing across the room to indicate the distance]. So, all this time, from there [gesturing toward the other side of the room], to here [indicating the 1/8th of an inch], there was no God, there was no story, there was no myth and people lived on this planet and they wandered and they gathered and they did all these things. The planet was never threatened. How did they survive for all this time without this belief in God? I'd like to ask this to someone who knows about Christianity and maybe you do. That just seems funny to me."[46]

    When you are Burning in Hell next to Ed, have fun

    .....and as far as Ed mentioning early Religion, check out Chinese Religions

    some of the oldest in the world

    they didn't survive without Religion, they had Religion

    but Religion is not necessary to have spirituality

    Hey Ed, maybe you should get in touch with your spiritual side

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  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    Im still here wrote:
    When you are Burning in Hell next to Ed, have fun

    Yeah.... Maybe the red horned devil will force Ed to play Bugs for all of us.
  • Come Back in Black
    Come Back in Black Posts: 659
    There is one more point I would like to make on this subject. Organized religion fails to answer the real questions. I will get to those in a moment.

    Religions try to solve man's questions that he can not answer. Namely, why are we here and how, and where do we go when we die with some philosophy and morals added to help you live your life. Now if religion was passed on directly from God then why hasn't it answered the most important questions? What is God? Why did he bother? Why would a perfect all knowing god create such imperfect beings such as ourselves? Then set up religions to worship him and sit in judgement and reward the good ones with paradise at the end? What is the point? Is he bored? What is in it for him? It makes no sense what so ever from his point of view and he hasn't bothered to explain himself as yet.

    I won't deny that people have an inate feeling that there is more to our existance but that doesn't mean we have to buy our fellow man's creative fantasies of what god is. One glaring issue is that God obviously does not interfere with modern life. He doesn't stop wars, 9/11's, 2 year olds from getting raped, etc. You can pray all you want as it only makes you feel better. If your lucky child recovers from cancer you will thank god but do you really think he shows that kind of favoratism? Our world is ours to do with as we please. He doesn't interfere now and he didn't interfere thousands of years ago by performing magic and writing books. God has yet to reveal himself but maybe you will meet him and understand when you pass on.

    What does make sense is religion makes people feel better and it was a great method to control the masses.
  • ClimberInOz
    ClimberInOz Posts: 216
    pjalive21 wrote:
    the big bang theory..here we go..two rocks collide and all the delicate,specific, and complicated parts the the world just come together in perfect harmony

    now that is more unbelievable than religion

    If I was to state on here that I don't believe in god because I find the part about jesus riding a flying pig to his day job as a sports commentator a little hard to swallow, you would rightly tell me that I should at least understand something before I declare it to be completely unbelievable.

    If your understanding of the big bang theory remains as superficial and flawed as your post suggests, of course you will never understand find it believable, because you are not looking at the same theory as the scientists.

    If you would like to give yourself a chance understand the theory, there are some excellent books available. Then you can at least choose to believe or disbelieve the actual big bang theory, rather than a misinterpretation of it.
  • Janiece
    Janiece Posts: 7
    I dont believe Ed is an atheist because of what he said on Inconclast which is recent, he said that he had a talk with God. Someone who says that isnt an atheist.
  • robowski
    robowski Posts: 143
    its not who you believe in ......its what you believe in
    remember its an inside job today
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  • RockMama
    RockMama Deep Creek Lake, MD Posts: 478
    whgarrett wrote:
    There are no true atheists.

    Well, excuse me, but I am.
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  • chipboy
    chipboy Posts: 137
    If there is a god I think it is an ant. Ants have been surviving for over 100 million years and the planet seems to be better suited to them than humans. The intelligent design of the ant god is truly amazing. Silly people think they are the reason the universe exists. Ha!

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