Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

Byrnzie · October 2009

Smellyman wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

hollow bottle wrote:

And a liar too. HIs movies don't depict the truth. The sad thing is that people fall for his crap.

So what aspect of 'Sicko' was a lie?

Also, what aspect of 'Bowling for Columbine' was a lie?

it's much easier to just say he lies...

Don't expect examples.

True. It's fashionable and cool to dismiss Michael Moore. Though It's strange that I only ever hear this bullshit from Americans. It makes me wonder what kind of mainstream media coverage he's received over there since Fahrenheit 9/11. I expect that every talking head from Bill Maher to Rush Limbaugh has been chiming in with their half-assed, smug opinions over the years and now everyone just follows suit like obedient sheep.

hollow bottle · October 2009

The deception rests in the relevent information that is always left out in his movies. He is a cherry picker. Do you think that he is showing the whole picture? He is "biased." Omitting the truth is a better word to use than lieing.

gimmesometruth27 · October 2009

hollow bottle wrote:

The deception rests in the relevent information that is always left out in his movies. He is a cherry picker. Do you think that he is showing the whole picture? He is "biased." Omitting the truth is a better word to use than lieing.

well come with it then. dispute his claims, or better yet, give the truth that he has omitted. i am sure you can google it and post it if you really want to make your point. better yet, just dismiss it and make excuses like "it is just half truths" like all the rest of your friends on the right. i am not just calling you out as an individual, but the right in general. its easier to call him a fat hypocrate than posting facts to back up your assertions that he is lying.

Byrnzie · October 2009

hollow bottle wrote:

The deception rests in the relevent information that is always left out in his movies. He is a cherry picker. Do you think that he is showing the whole picture? He is "biased." Omitting the truth is a better word to use than lieing.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html
'...Wendell Potter, a top health insurance executive -- the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country which provides health insurance to nearly 70 percent of the Fortune 100 companies - admits that, in fact, "Sicko" "hit the nail on the head" and told the real truth about how much better people in other countries have it when it comes to their health care..'

And what 'truth' did he leave out of 'Fahrenheit 9/11' and 'Bowling for Columbine'?

brandon10 · October 2009

Byrnzie wrote:

hollow bottle wrote:

The deception rests in the relevent information that is always left out in his movies. He is a cherry picker. Do you think that he is showing the whole picture? He is "biased." Omitting the truth is a better word to use than lieing.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html
'...Wendell Potter, a top health insurance executive -- the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country which provides health insurance to nearly 70 percent of the Fortune 100 companies - admits that, in fact, "Sicko" "hit the nail on the head" and told the real truth about how much better people in other countries have it when it comes to their health care..'

And what 'truth' did he leave out of Fahrenheit 9/11 and 'Bowling for Columbine'?

Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.

hollow bottle · October 2009

brandon10 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

hollow bottle wrote:

The deception rests in the relevent information that is always left out in his movies. He is a cherry picker. Do you think that he is showing the whole picture? He is "biased." Omitting the truth is a better word to use than lieing.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html
'...Wendell Potter, a top health insurance executive -- the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country which provides health insurance to nearly 70 percent of the Fortune 100 companies - admits that, in fact, "Sicko" "hit the nail on the head" and told the real truth about how much better people in other countries have it when it comes to their health care..'

And what 'truth' did he leave out of Fahrenheit 9/11 and 'Bowling for Columbine'?

Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.

Shut your pie hole you blind idiot. Michael Moore will wipe his ass with the money you spend on him. You won't here me complaining about gay rights. Why bring that into the arguement? Because you have no original thought?

Byrnzie · October 2009

brandon10 wrote:

Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.

I know, It's like playing with a bad tooth - I know I shouldn't touch it, but I can't help myself. :P

Jeanwah · October 2009

brandon10 wrote:

Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.

I know you're not talking to me, but I agree. At the same time, I'd rather make noise and keep at it, until some day they start listening and perhaps a hole of openness gets into their closed minds someday. Why let people continue to live in ignorance? Isn't it our duty to spread the awareness? Like M.M.? No matter how annoying we are!!

cincybearcat · October 2009

brandon10 wrote:

Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.

Wow, nice. You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. :roll:

Random_Wookie · October 2009

brandon10 wrote:

Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.

really is that all you can say? if you dont accept what I am saying then we are a waste of oxygen and space,really you convinced me to worship the ground micheal moore walks on. From just the preview alone it looks like the same old crap, which should be taken lightly and you should get a good laugh out of

Byrnzie wrote:

I know, It's like playing with a bad tooth - I know I shouldn't touch it, but I can't help myself. :P

this thread would be no fun with out you in mate, have you seen this movie Manufacturing Dissent from 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3IUU7a4wB0. Its what caused me to ask questions about moores style when it comes to documentary film making.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 37,00.html

Has anyone seen the movie yet? can they tell me what you thought? is it worth going to see as I still have a few weeks to wait for it to open here.

brandon10 · October 2009

Random_Wookie wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.

really is that all you can say? if you dont accept what I am saying then we are a waste of oxygen and space,really you convinced me to worship the ground micheal moore walks on. From just the preview alone it looks like the same old crap, which should be taken lightly and you should get a good laugh out of

Byrnzie wrote:

I know, It's like playing with a bad tooth - I know I shouldn't touch it, but I can't help myself. :P

this thread would be no fun with out you in mate, have you seen this movie Manufacturing Dissent from 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3IUU7a4wB0. Its what caused me to ask questions about moores style when it comes to documentary film making.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 37,00.html

Has anyone seen the movie yet? can they tell me what you thought? is it worth going to see as I still have a few weeks to wait for it to open here.

If you go back and read my post again you will see that I was referring to those who call him fat or think he shouldn't complain about a capitalist society while living in it. If you don't like his style of film making so be it. But the level of thoughtless attacks from the uneducated losers here gets sickening. I just call it as I see it.

I have seen the movie and I think it is one of Roger's best. It was almost two and a half hours long and moved very fluidly. It doesn't matter if you are on the right or the left, this movie should interest you!!!

Random_Wookie · October 2009

brandon10 wrote:

Random_Wookie wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.

really is that all you can say? if you dont accept what I am saying then we are a waste of oxygen and space,really you convinced me to worship the ground micheal moore walks on. From just the preview alone it looks like the same old crap, which should be taken lightly and you should get a good laugh out of

Byrnzie wrote:

I know, It's like playing with a bad tooth - I know I shouldn't touch it, but I can't help myself. :P

this thread would be no fun with out you in mate, have you seen this movie Manufacturing Dissent from 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3IUU7a4wB0. Its what caused me to ask questions about moores style when it comes to documentary film making.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 37,00.html

Has anyone seen the movie yet? can they tell me what you thought? is it worth going to see as I still have a few weeks to wait for it to open here.

If you go back and read my post again you will see that I was referring to those who call him fat or think he shouldn't complain about a capitalist society while living in it. If you don't like his style of film making so be it. But the level of thoughtless attacks from the uneducated losers here gets sickening. I just call it as I see it.

I have seen the movie and I think it is one of Roger's best. It was almost two and a half hours long and moved very fluidly. It doesn't matter if you are on the right or the left, this movie should interest you!!!

cool will check it out but I have to wait a few weeks due to me being in australia

polaris_x · October 2009

i caught most of this movie over the weekend ... unfortunately for moore and everyone for that matter - a lot of people will dismiss the primary message in his film because of his style ... these are the same people who ask animal rights activists if they wear leather shoes ...

it's pretty simple - many ont his board (both right and left) have been saying this for years ... it isn't capitalism per se that is evil ... it's just that you have evil people who have manipulated the system and they have been exploiting and pillaging the people for years based on this ...

say you had a community of 10 and there was just enuf food for everyone every day - now, say that there was a way of 1 person in that community to take more leaving others short without anyone knowing it ... you know someone is gonna do it - that is human nature and that is what is happening especially in america where they use the notion of freedom and democracy to brainwash people into getting screwed ...

Byrnzie · October 2009

polaris_x wrote:

i caught most of this movie over the weekend ... unfortunately for moore and everyone for that matter - a lot of people will dismiss the primary message in his film because of his style ... these are the same people who ask animal rights activists if they wear leather shoes ...

it's pretty simple - many ont his board (both right and left) have been saying this for years ... it isn't capitalism per se that is evil ... it's just that you have evil people who have manipulated the system and they have been exploiting and pillaging the people for years based on this ...

say you had a community of 10 and there was just enuf food for everyone every day - now, say that there was a way of 1 person in that community to take more leaving others short without anyone knowing it ... you know someone is gonna do it - that is human nature and that is what is happening especially in america where they use the notion of freedom and democracy to brainwash people into getting screwed ...

No different from Communism then. Just different methods.

catefrances · October 2009

saw a preview of this on the weekend. michael moore makes me laugh, usually uncomfortably. ill be seeing this when it eventually opens here.

VINNY GOOMBA · October 2009

From what I've read, there is little to no mention of the Fed's role in this movie, so I will not be seeing it. I found this clip on youtube, which I thought was interesting (if genuine):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRceRplAtoE

brandon10 · October 2009

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

From what I've read, there is little to no mention of the Fed's role in this movie, so I will not be seeing it. I found this clip on youtube, which I thought was interesting (if genuine):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRceRplAtoE

Even though there is almost nothing about the fed, this movie is worth a viewing. Lots to think about and lots to laugh about.

OutOfBreath · October 2009

polaris_x wrote:

say you had a community of 10 and there was just enuf food for everyone every day - now, say that there was a way of 1 person in that community to take more leaving others short without anyone knowing it ... you know someone is gonna do it - that is human nature and that is what is happening especially in america where they use the notion of freedom and democracy to brainwash people into getting screwed ...

...which is why we created laws and enforcements of them in the first place. The alternative to the "what can you do" approach, is to ensure either that 1) Noone can take anything without anyone noticing or 2) You build a norm structure and establish morals in the group that prevents them from exploiting such loopholes. Historically, we have used both, most often simultaneously.

There is a lot to be said for "community spirit" which is often overlooked in an overly individualistic perspective.

Peace
Dan

cincybearcat · October 2009

So...looks like I may actually have the chance to see a movie (and of my own choosing) this Friday evening. Should I go with this movie, or just go have a good time with something like Zombieland?

polaris_x · October 2009

cincybearcat wrote:

So...looks like I may actually have the chance to see a movie (and of my own choosing) this Friday evening. Should I go with this movie, or just go have a good time with something like Zombieland?

zombieland is good fun while moore's movie is his typical grandstanding which i know you've not liked in the past ... and so it depends on what you are into ...

Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

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