Hold On...shouldn't be "Lost"

I don't have any strong connection towards "Hold On".
It's reminds me alot of "Just A Girl".

I'm really glad they didn't take this direction with the Vs. Album.

The production of "Hold On" has always bothered me. It's just soaked in reverb; which drives me fucking crazy. I don't understand why someone would produce Pearl Jam this way. It's always baffled me especially on the Ten album which suffers from much of the same wanker production.

My biggest issue with this song is Dave's drumming.
His overuse of symbol splashes and weak ass fills...kill the song.

Dave A was never my favorite drummer...and "Hold On" just epitomizes everything that I despised about his drumming.

Anyways...They've definately written better songs and I can see why "Hold On" wasn't considered for an album.

DewieCox wrote:

Over my head? His songs are pretty simple, musically and his lyrics are nothing amazing.

You Are relies on a guitar effect for its hook. Lyrics are pretty crap
In The Moonlight is based on a pretty generic riff, with a extra beat added here and there.
Evacuation is notoriously the worst song on Binaural

In The Moonlight is generic, and Hold On isn't? Hahahahah! You're too funny!

And your Evacuation comment further proves my point that most Pearl Jam fans have no taste.

I knew that someone would eventually come along and inject some sense and truth. I find people's comments about Matt's songwriting to be hilarious in their ignorance.

I know I'm in the minority here but "Evacuation" is Fucking Awesome!! I love the time signature switch as well.

I'd take "Evacuation"over "Hold On" any day of the week.

Especially live.

Evolution6579 wrote:

His songs are far from simplistic. He is a drummer and his sense of rhythm shows beautifully in every song he writes.



You Are is amazing JUST because of the guitar effect. The guitar runs through a drum machine which he programmed with a very progressive, syncopated beat. In The Moonlight is one of the most brilliant songs ever and most people, I assume, don't like Evacuation because it is not a straight forward 4/4 rock song. I personally love time signature switches in a song.

By the way, Ed wrote the lyrics for Cropduster and helped with the lyrics for You Are so.....

Your reply proves that his songs ARE over your head and proves that JWBusher was right about you not being a music connoisseur. It also proves that you don't really pay attention to the music of the band that you claim to love.

I am taking nothing away from the actual performances of the songs. The musicianship is great on most PJ songs. I like the fact that PJ can play something in just about any mood and make it great. They play rock and roll and there is a relatively small difference in complexity from their simplest song to their most progressive type tune.

I love time sig shifts. I think the fact that I know they are there proves that I listen with a keener ear than most. Push Me Pull Me is probably my fave PJ song that is off kilter.

I guess Matt should have allowed Ed's name in the credits, so he could take some of the blame, on the lyrics

I just don't care for those songs more than anything else. I'm not taking anything away from Matt Cameron. He's probably PJ's best all around drummer, though not my favorite, he just doesn't rub me the right way as a songwriter, I suppose.

JWBusher wrote:

Whatever, smart guy. Out of all the songs recorded for Ten and Vs, it's clearly the shittiest

I have to agree that it woulda had to be shoehorned in to be on one of those albums. Fits in just fine on Lost Dogs. If they nailed it, it would be good live. If not, it would sound atrocious.

DewieCox wrote:

I am taking nothing away from the actual performances of the songs. The musicianship is great on most PJ songs. I like the fact that PJ can play something in just about any mood and make it great. They play rock and roll and there is a relatively small difference in complexity from their simplest song to their most progressive type tune.

I love time sig shifts. I think the fact that I know they are there proves that I listen with a keener ear than most. Push Me Pull Me is probably my fave PJ song that is off kilter.

I guess Matt should have allowed Ed's name in the credits, so he could take some of the blame, on the lyrics

I just don't care for those songs more than anything else. I'm not taking anything away from Matt Cameron. He's probably PJ's best all around drummer, though not my favorite, he just doesn't rub me the right way as a songwriter, I suppose.

Looking back at my response, I was a tad mean. I am sorry.

Ed's name is listed in the Riot Act booklet for both of those songs. Push Me , Pull Me is awesome.

I hope the band gets some encouragement from Brendan O'Brien to explore different time signatures on the new album.

P.S. Since you like time signature changes, check out "Thin Green Line" by Hum. The working title of the song was something like "Our drummer on crack playing with time signatures".

DewieCox wrote:

I have to agree that it woulda had to be shoehorned in to be on one of those albums. Fits in just fine on Lost Dogs. If they nailed it, it would be good live. If not, it would sound atrocious.

My guess is that the song is too old and crusty to premiere live 20 years later. It's also pretty out of style. But they did surprise everybody with All Night, which turned out to be a real corker live.

Oh, and "Push Me Pull Me" does indeed rule.