Why don't they let Mike out of his cage?

Bu$chlager
Bu$chlager Posts: 500
edited September 2009 in The Porch
Not trying to add another negative thread, I really like the album. Just wondering why Mike doesn't get more time to shine? Are these songs perfect the way they are? Maybe, I dunno, I'm no musician. Just kinda feel like, hey, what song couldn't use a little more Mike? How could having him rip some solos make the record worse?

Am I out of line?
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  • Stephen Flow
    Stephen Flow Posts: 3,327
    Pretty sure I read an interview that said something along the lines of them realizing that they don't need to put a solo in each song to make it awesome... I def just paraphrased the fuck out of that but there's something along those lines out there in some interview.
  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    And I think you will see Mike solos on some of these songs when they are played live- Force of nature, Johnny Guitar, etc.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,037
    BUSH-lager wrote:
    Not trying to add another negative thread, I really like the album. Just wondering why Mike doesn't get more time to shine? Are these songs perfect the way they are? Maybe, I dunno, I'm no musician. Just kinda feel like, hey, what song couldn't use a little more Mike? How could having him rip some solos make the record worse?

    Am I out of line?

    If your really stop to think about it though...he doesn't have many extended solos on albums other than Ten.
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  • nirvrock_96
    nirvrock_96 Posts: 6
    Mike will put a few riffs in when the songs are played live, guaranteed!
  • Flagg
    Flagg Posts: 5,856
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    BUSH-lager wrote:
    Not trying to add another negative thread, I really like the album. Just wondering why Mike doesn't get more time to shine? Are these songs perfect the way they are? Maybe, I dunno, I'm no musician. Just kinda feel like, hey, what song couldn't use a little more Mike? How could having him rip some solos make the record worse?

    Am I out of line?

    If your really stop to think about it though...he doesn't have many extended solos on albums other than Ten.

    True. Vs. has a couple. Vitalogy, none but Immortality. No Code, one unless that is him on Habit. Yield, none really - Stone gets what little there are. Binaural, Breakerfall is about it. Riot Act has Get Right, I Am Mine, 1/2 Full and All or None, and LBC has a small one. S/T he gets one on Life Wasted, Severed Hand, Come Back and Big Wave and that little flourish in WWS.

    I probably forgot some.

    I think his quote was, "If the song doesn't really call for a solo, then I won't do one. But if it does, then I will go off: or something along those lines.
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  • imissyoualready
    imissyoualready Posts: 438
    Mike shines plenty on this record. One of the things that distinguishes PJ's music is the fact that they have 2 guitars doing completely different things. Listen with headphones and pay attention to whats happening in your left ear, then your right. Just because he doesnt have a lot of solos doesnt mean he isnt there.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,037
    Flagg wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    BUSH-lager wrote:
    Not trying to add another negative thread, I really like the album. Just wondering why Mike doesn't get more time to shine? Are these songs perfect the way they are? Maybe, I dunno, I'm no musician. Just kinda feel like, hey, what song couldn't use a little more Mike? How could having him rip some solos make the record worse?

    Am I out of line?

    If your really stop to think about it though...he doesn't have many extended solos on albums other than Ten.

    True. Vs. has a couple. Vitalogy, none but Immortality. No Code, one unless that is him on Habit. Yield, none really - Stone gets what little there are. Binaural, Breakerfall is about it. Riot Act has Get Right, I Am Mine, 1/2 Full and All or None, and LBC has a small one. S/T he gets one on Life Wasted, Severed Hand, Come Back and Big Wave and that little flourish in WWS.

    I probably forgot some.

    I think his quote was, "If the song doesn't really call for a solo, then I won't do one. But if it does, then I will go off: or something along those lines.

    You're right about each song you listed (you omitted Red Mosquito though).

    Whenever I try to turn someone on to Pearl Jam as a "guitar band," I'm always sure to let them hear bootlegs and not albums. There are so many songs that don't have solos on record but he rips them apart live (or he has in the past at least). Songs like Black, Corduroy, and Of the Girl
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,732
    not so much the lack of solos, but the lack of presence
    like when he just goes nuts at the end of severed hand
    its like McCready wasnt even there for this record

    my biggest complaint about this record: where is Mike McCready?
  • mr bungle
    mr bungle Posts: 1,446
    He will be let out of his cage tonight at Key arena :twisted:
  • maverick
    maverick Posts: 1,268
    I think Amongst The Waves has the potential to end sets with an extended guitar solo from Mike. Let's hope and see.
  • JordyWordy
    JordyWordy Posts: 2,261
    You Are is another one that he goes to town on in live shows. I really like his (very hard to hear) solos in Grievance... most of the stuff he plays on albums in complimenting Stone's playing/vice versa.

    I'm gona listen to Backspacer on headphones tonight for the first time, be interesting to hear some stuff properly...
  • Bu$chlager
    Bu$chlager Posts: 500
    A lot of good responses here. Thanks for not flaming me!

    It's true that these songs will likely get stretched out more on the tour, or at least I hope they will.

    I guess I just feel like Mike is stifled a bit on the album (or albums as a couple people pointed out.) When I listen to something like Stadium Arcadium I am in awe of Fusciante and the time he's alloted. He gets a distinct platform to shine on almost all of the songs. I guess I just wish I could get that from Mike and certainly feel he's capable, but perhaps it's not fair to compare.
  • intodeep
    intodeep Posts: 7,249
    i hope one day the band will let him loose.

    i still keep hoping they will record a 10 minute song like Reach Down or november hotel

    i know it is silly at this point
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  • Fahka
    Fahka Posts: 3,183
    Your not the only one to notice the lack of mike.. It seems like backspacer has a heavy foot on the drums and not enough on the guitar.. even when you CAN hear mikey, its very light and not very "mike" sounding... i look foward to seeing mike add stuff live to some of these songs...
  • dcfaithful
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    Flagg wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    BUSH-lager wrote:
    Not trying to add another negative thread, I really like the album. Just wondering why Mike doesn't get more time to shine? Are these songs perfect the way they are? Maybe, I dunno, I'm no musician. Just kinda feel like, hey, what song couldn't use a little more Mike? How could having him rip some solos make the record worse?

    Am I out of line?

    If your really stop to think about it though...he doesn't have many extended solos on albums other than Ten.

    True. Vs. has a couple. Vitalogy, none but Immortality. No Code, one unless that is him on Habit. Yield, none really - Stone gets what little there are. Binaural, Breakerfall is about it. Riot Act has Get Right, I Am Mine, 1/2 Full and All or None, and LBC has a small one. S/T he gets one on Life Wasted, Severed Hand, Come Back and Big Wave and that little flourish in WWS.

    I probably forgot some.

    I think his quote was, "If the song doesn't really call for a solo, then I won't do one. But if it does, then I will go off: or something along those lines.

    I just have to say that you forgot to mention 'Nothing As It Seems' on Binaural...Mike's playing is superb on that track...
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  • James C
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    Well I can hear his guitar as he has a few distinct effects that come back out in this one. Actually I'm listening to Among The Waves right now and I like solo he has there. Some of my favorites are when he plays lets, but far more emotive with each notes (although yeah, love when he goes nuts... I'm an Evenflow live fan god forbid). He also has the breakdown to shine in Supersonic. Force of Nature hasn't been his strongest song writting effort though, so I was a little disappointed too.

    But I have to agree a on a few posts that I'm not hearing the collaborative nature as much in this one. Although I'd be amazed to see how Unthought Known plays out live. At any rate, I can see Mike running around nuts on stage any number of these, solo or not. Got Some was nuts in Berlin!
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  • Flagg
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    dcfaithful wrote:
    Flagg wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:

    If your really stop to think about it though...he doesn't have many extended solos on albums other than Ten.

    True. Vs. has a couple. Vitalogy, none but Immortality. No Code, one unless that is him on Habit. Yield, none really - Stone gets what little there are. Binaural, Breakerfall is about it. Riot Act has Get Right, I Am Mine, 1/2 Full and All or None, and LBC has a small one. S/T he gets one on Life Wasted, Severed Hand, Come Back and Big Wave and that little flourish in WWS.

    I probably forgot some.

    I think his quote was, "If the song doesn't really call for a solo, then I won't do one. But if it does, then I will go off: or something along those lines.

    I just have to say that you forgot to mention 'Nothing As It Seems' on Binaural...Mike's playing is superb on that track...

    Bingo. Knew it. I was pulling all of that out of my head.

    And Red Mosquito - thanks Ledbetterman10

    Point is, it isn't like he rips a bunch of solos off on any album outside Ten.

    I also disagree with everyone thinking PJ somehow is suppressing him. How do we know he doesn't make that choice himself?
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  • Snoopy Died For Our Sins
    Snoopy Died For Our Sins Posts: 2,608
    don't you know?.........Mike gets paid by the note....Ed said it himself!

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  • josevolution
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    he will be out of the cage starting tonight ... :mrgreen:
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  • Brony
    Brony Posts: 653
    why did the Mangenious keep Favre in his cage all of last season with the Jets? who knows

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