Where is PJ's creativity

i shit and i stink · September 2009

HeidiJam wrote:

Na, i think self titled was pearl jam trying to hard to sound like pearl jam, they were forcing themselves to sound like that.

:roll:

fisttothejaw · September 2009

HeidiJam wrote:

Na, i think self titled was pearl jam trying to hard to sound like pearl jam, they were forcing themselves to sound like that.

wow. it sounds like you have your feet dug in on this one.

Blockhead · September 2009

i can barley finish amongst the waves and force of nature, as for supersonic, why use a riff you have already used (mankind) I think they spent 2 weeks on this album.

sillymike · September 2009

Love the new album. It will grow on you. Just curious as to why no mention of BOOM anywhere on the cd. Obviously he is not an official member. I am not sure he even plays on this album. Anyone know? It does sound like he is playing all over it though.

Ledbetterman10 · September 2009

HeidiJam wrote:

i can barley finish amongst the waves and force of nature

Yeah I can't either. Same with Unthought Known. I just can't bring myself to care. And I can't bring myself to look up tabs to the songs. I'm not the biggest Avocado fan but I sure as hell was obsessed with it the first month it came out. I was tired of Backspacer like 3 days before it was released!

But as I keep saying, seeing the songs live might change my opinion.

pjsteelerfan · September 2009

I think it is more of an Art/Music thing. Two people can look at the same peice of art- one see's something beautiful, and the other sees a bunch of paint thrown on a canvas. What is creative to one person is not to everyone. There are people the will not like this albulm, same as there are some who don't like Ten and No Code and Riot Act. Nothing wrong with any of that.

Blockhead · September 2009

I agree with that. I still think they are taking some steps back though.

Ledbetterman10 · September 2009

HeidiJam wrote:

I agree with that. I still think they are taking some steps back though.

Even though I've been critical of Backspacer, I wouldn't call it a step back. It's like a step sideways...if that makes any sense.

JordyWordy · September 2009

sillymike wrote:

Love the new album. It will grow on you. Just curious as to why no mention of BOOM anywhere on the cd. Obviously he is not an official member. I am not sure he even plays on this album. Anyone know? It does sound like he is playing all over it though.

Brendan O'Brien played all the keys, piano, etc, and he arranged the string & horn sections. Boom doesnt appear on the album. Boom's still playing live with them, so let's hope he does the new songs justice.

I always assumed the reason Riot Act is not played live much is because the songs just don't translate well live (generally). Most of the stuff on there is very downbeat. I LOVE that album, (the "novel" comment earlier is about as perfect a review of it there is), but i admit myself that live performances of most Riot Act songs are fairly flat. (You Are, Bushleaguer, Save You, Cant Keep, Arc and All Or None are astonishingly good live, the rest of the album...not so much). So i guess my point is, i dont need "atmosphere" on Backspacer if the songs are strong enough on their own, which they are.

Binaural & Riot Act saw the band experiment with their recording sound (droppin BO'B, using binaural etc)...Backspacer doesnt experiment with atmospheres or acoustics, but it does sound fantastic. And there's tons of subtle backing intrumentation, just like on Yield.

I said earlier in the thread that i dont see many similarities between Backspacer and Avocado: the one huge similarity i do see is that the Backspacer songs will sound fucking great live...if performances so far are anything to go by.

Black10 · September 2009

HeidiJam wrote:

these lyrics are not even close to their best.

Have you even read the lyrics to this album?...they are incredible. Or do you just say they aren't good because this album is boring to you?

ejb770 · September 2009

Avacado is one of my faves! This one I'm not sure about yet but I think it will grow on me. Love Amongst the Waves and Unthought Known

Blockhead · September 2009

yes i have read the lyrics, otherwise iwould not have made the comment. Some of the songs have great lyrics, but to put this above vitalogy, no code, and riot act is laughable.

Gern Blansten · September 2009

HeidiJam wrote:

yes i have read the lyrics, otherwise iwould not have made the comment. Some of the songs have great lyrics, but to put this above vitalogy, no code, and riot act is laughable.

actually what is "laughable" is your opinion

dimitrispearljam · September 2009

Bitcing is an art too now days

Rygar · September 2009

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Bitcing is an art too now days

Spelling is also an art these days :P

TT8270 · September 2009

Yep. I totally agree with the person who started this thread. Backspacer is lame. Only "Amongst The Waves" is a classic. Why don't Eddie let Stone write more for PJ?

Blockhead · September 2009

With most pj albums ill have my favorite songs and over time ill end up loving the whole album and not skipping a song. I am already getting tired of Backspacer and seem to be skipping most of the songs. This should have been a double disk with S/T.

MrMerkinball · September 2009

HeidiJam wrote:

With most pj albums ill have my favorite songs and over time ill end up loving the whole album and not skipping a song. I am already getting tired of Backspacer and seem to be skipping most of the songs. This should have been a double disk with S/T.

This baffles me. Oh well

dimitrispearljam · September 2009

Rygar wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Bitcing is an art too now days

Spelling is also an art these days :P

no no my friend,,u just dont understand..i speak the BEST..GREEKNGLISH in the world..

gusturtle · September 2009

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Yeah i jokingly referred to it as Blandspacer. I say it in every thread

if you're saying it again and again in every thread, wouldn't that in fact make you, yourself, the 'Blandspacer'?

flywallyfly · September 2009

I am disappointed with the new album. Blah to me. Glad some of you like it though.

Ledbetterman10 · September 2009

gusturtle wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Yeah i jokingly referred to it as Blandspacer. I say it in every thread

if you're saying it again and again in every thread, wouldn't that in fact make you, yourself, the 'Blandspacer'?

Not cool dude. You intentionally took my quote out of context. It was:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Yeah i jokingly referred to it as Blandspacer. I say it in every thread: It's not bad by any means. But it's not great either. It's solidly good.

So when viewing the whole quote, you see I don't call it "Blandspacer" in every thread. I say "it's not bad but it's not great" in every thread.

gusturtle · September 2009

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Not cool dude. You intentionally took my quote out of context.

Not cool, indeed. You assume to know my intentions. :idea:

Vedderlicious · September 2009

i think the only thing that i thoroughly enjoyed about this album is that theres none of that political bullshit that plauged S/T and drove me fucking crazy about that album. because of that it is immediately better than S/T, but not by much. other than the 3 song stretch from just breathe to unthought known, the rest of the album leaves me feeling lukewarm. and having that piece of shit version of speed of sound instead of the demo really pissed me off too.

Them-Bones · September 2009

12345AGNST1 wrote:

Your crazy.... If Johnny Guitar isn't creative then I dont know what is. that song has so many cool changes in it.

Johnny Guitar is a normal, really cheesy, rock song, with an odd structure, if you think that's odd or creative you should listen to more music.

Gary Carter · September 2009

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Bitcing is an art too now days

lol

bitching is something that will never change on here.

fireladie · September 2009

ah the joys of internet forums, everyones a critic , everyone knows better..

I'd kind of hoped here I'd find a place to enthuse passionately about stuff with I am passionately enthusiastic about, In the words of my hero " life is fucking precious, love & life ", Backspacer, and all the back catalogue are one of the positives that enhance my life. they're all different beasts, and brilliant.

carry on moaning, I'm off to pogo around the room.

I_GOT_no_IDea · September 2009

fireladie wrote:

ah the joys of internet forums, everyones a critic , everyone knows better..

I'd kind of hoped here I'd find a place to enthuse passionately about stuff with I am passionately enthusiastic about, In the words of my hero " life is fucking precious, love & life ", Backspacer, and all the back catalogue are one of the positives that enhance my life. they're all different beasts, and brilliant.

carry on moaning, I'm off to pogo around the room.

fireladie - i hear ya. i have been so pumped to share the joy that this album brings me with likeminded people, but it seems like there's way more negativity and criticism in the pearl jam fucking fan club than anywhere else on the net.
if you want to hear something i'm pissed off about, it's that a lot of people here have put their fucking overanalytical overjudgemental self-righteous whingeing hats on.
as i've said before, everyone is welcome to their own opinions, but geez it'd be nice to hear some more positive stuff in here. constructive criticism is good, but it's also fucking boring.
peace all.

Blockhead · September 2009

Who here is being overanalytical? Its just an observations. Why would you ever come to this board is everything everybody said about PJ was how awesome they are. I don't know why people feel they have to love everything PJ does.

satansbedbugs · September 2009

HeidiJam wrote:

I can't belive a band that has made Vitalogy, no code, yeild, riot act has put out these last two albums. I like the new album but its so average compared to what they used to do and are clearly capible of. I know they are maturing but these new songs are so basic and un-original. They have no jams, no guitar solo's (5 seconds does not count) and 3 of these songs were clearly written when eddie was writing into the wild. I like the album as i do self titled but i can't belive it took 3 years to make this. Hopefully they get their creativity back. They seem to be digressing with these last two.

Why are you posting in OUR forum ??

Where is PJ's creativity

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