Naomi Klein calls for boycott against Israel

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edited September 2009 in A Moving Train
Interesting interview...

http://www.alternet.org/world/142341/na ... in_israel/

also, an old article where she writes more of the same ideas:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ott-israel
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  • Posts: 21,037
    I think we'll see this happen once politicians catch up with the will of the general public. More and more people now see this issue for what it is.
    The March on Gaza in January will bring even more focus on what's happening over there.


    (If I wasn't over here in China until at least March next year then I'd definitely be joining that March).
  • why has this not already been done? both sides of this have done some awful things. But Israel does need to be stop, if it was someone childs dont you think the parents would have put it over their knee and spanked it by know?
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  • Posts: 21,037
    Norman Finkelstein on his forthcoming book 'Farewell to Israel - the coming break-up of American Zionism'.

    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6l7ANfTpUU
    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn14HD5Sz3w
    Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6rAQ4nnRko
    Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJkdzlrzWZQ
    Part 5 Q & A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0HmZ8SA8ws
    Part 6 Q & A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxMkavCbums

    In Part 6 Q & A Finkelstein gives a brilliant response to the accusation of being a self-hating Jew.
  • Posts: 4,069
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Norman Finkelstein on his forthcoming book 'Farewell to Israel - the coming break-up of American Zionism'.

    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6l7ANfTpUU
    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn14HD5Sz3w
    Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6rAQ4nnRko
    Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJkdzlrzWZQ
    Part 5 Q & A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0HmZ8SA8ws
    Part 6 Q & A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxMkavCbums

    In Part 6 Q & A Finkelstein gives a brilliant response to the accusation of being a self-hating Jew.
    thanks for posting bro
  • Another Jew calling em out. Amazing! Good ole Canadian girl.

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    it is sad really - with every remembrance day, veterans day and with every holocaust memorial i come across ... they are supposed to be reminders of the horrors people faced ... yet today - those memorials mean absolutely nothing to the rich and powerful ... it is not so much a religious divide as it is a wealth assault ... our war on the poor is sickening and our continued support of those regimes is even sadder ...

    at least the world finally intervened in ww ii - this time we are just letting people die without consequence
  • Posts: 4,069
    Norway divests!

    http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/09/norway-divests.html

    From Reuters

    OSLO, Sept 3 (Reuters) – Norway’s $400 billion-plus wealth fund has excluded Israeli company Elbit Systems (ESLT.TA) for supplying surveillance equipment for the separation barrier in the West Bank, the government said on Thursday.

    “We do not wish to fund companies that so directly contribute to violations of international humanitarian law,” Finance Minister Kristin Halvorsen said in a statement.

    “The freedom of movement of the people living in the occupied territory has been unacceptably restricted,” she said.

    Halvorsen said the International Court of Justice has said the barrier construction breaches the Fourth Geneva Convention and that “Norwegian authorities act in accordance with this.”

    Norway says that the surveillance system supplied by Elbit to the Israeli authorities “is one of the main components in the separation barrier and its associated control regime.”

    “The surveillance system has been specially designed in close collaboration with the buyer and has no other applications. Furthermore Elbit is clearly aware of exactly where and how the system is intended to be used,” she said.

    The central bank-managed fund follows ethical guidelines issued by the finance ministry, and in the past it has excluded companies that produce nuclear arms or cluster munitions, damage the environment or abuse human rights or worker rights.
  • Posts: 21,037
    _outlaw wrote:
    Norway divests!

    http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/09/norway-divests.html

    From Reuters

    OSLO, Sept 3 (Reuters) – Norway’s $400 billion-plus wealth fund has excluded Israeli company Elbit Systems (ESLT.TA) for supplying surveillance equipment for the separation barrier in the West Bank, the government said on Thursday.

    “We do not wish to fund companies that so directly contribute to violations of international humanitarian law,” Finance Minister Kristin Halvorsen said in a statement.

    “The freedom of movement of the people living in the occupied territory has been unacceptably restricted,” she said.

    Halvorsen said the International Court of Justice has said the barrier construction breaches the Fourth Geneva Convention and that “Norwegian authorities act in accordance with this.”

    Norway says that the surveillance system supplied by Elbit to the Israeli authorities “is one of the main components in the separation barrier and its associated control regime.”

    “The surveillance system has been specially designed in close collaboration with the buyer and has no other applications. Furthermore Elbit is clearly aware of exactly where and how the system is intended to be used,” she said.

    The central bank-managed fund follows ethical guidelines issued by the finance ministry, and in the past it has excluded companies that produce nuclear arms or cluster munitions, damage the environment or abuse human rights or worker rights.

    Good. Hopefully more governments will follow suit.
  • Posts: 13,559
    imagine that - guidelines NOT dictated by large corporations!
  • Posts: 21,037
    Just more of the same from Israel:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8237499.stm
    Friday, 4 September 2009 10:35 UK

    Israel 'to back settlement work'


    'Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu will approve more construction in West Bank settlements before considering a halt to building work, officials say.

    The prime minister is expected to back work on hundreds of new homes next week in addition to 2,500 units already being built, a senior aide said.

    He will then consider a temporary halt to settlement building, as requested by the US in a bid to restart peace talks.

    The news angered the Palestinians who said it was "absolutely unacceptable".

    "The only thing suspended by this announcement will be the peace process," Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat told the AFP news agency.


    The US has been pushing Israel to accept the Palestinians' demand for a complete halt to all settlement building in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, before they will resume peace negotiations.

    But Israel wants to continue building to allow for what it calls the "natural growth" of communities there, and refuses to halt construction in East Jerusalem...'
  • Posts: 13,559
    this is just israel baiting hamas ... they are looking for some form of retaliation so they can continue to ignore the world ...
  • She didn't just call for it, she put her money where her mouth is...good on 'er.
    (argh...must....not...objectify.....I <3 Naomi Klein ;) )
  • Posts: 539
    I think the more liberal elements of warring countries should be embraced and encouraged. If someone is opposed to the way Israel conducts itself, shouldn't they be supporting and propping up the film makers who create their art, despite the horrible things occurring in the region?
  • Posts: 4,069
    Deebs41 wrote:
    I think the more liberal elements of warring countries should be embraced and encouraged. If someone is opposed to the way Israel conducts itself, shouldn't they be supporting and propping up the film makers who create their art, despite the horrible things occurring in the region?
    You act as if citizens have nothing to do with their government or policies.
  • Posts: 539
    _outlaw wrote:
    You act as if citizens have nothing to do with their government or policies.

    Sorry if I came across that way. As many Americans experienced this decade, not all citizens agree with their government's actions, democratically elected or not.
  • Posts: 4,069
    Deebs41 wrote:

    Sorry if I came across that way. As many Americans experienced this decade, not all citizens agree with their government's actions, democratically elected or not.
    America is a different case. In Israel, most Israelis do agree with their government. In fact, an overwhelming majority of Israelis (I believe close to 80%) supported the massacre in Gaza last January and considered it a "success."
  • Posts: 539
    _outlaw wrote:
    America is a different case. In Israel, most Israelis do agree with their government. In fact, an overwhelming majority of Israelis (I believe close to 80%) supported the massacre in Gaza last January and considered it a "success."

    Good point. I'm just trying to say that if someone is against the policies of a country, they should see the more positive elements of the society as hope that change can occur. If someone has zero faith in the citizens of a country, then in their eyes that country has no chance.
  • Byrnzie wrote:
    Just more of the same from Israel:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8237499.stm
    Friday, 4 September 2009 10:35 UK

    Israel 'to back settlement work'


    'Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu will approve more construction in West Bank settlements before considering a halt to building work, officials say.

    The prime minister is expected to back work on hundreds of new homes next week in addition to 2,500 units already being built, a senior aide said.

    He will then consider a temporary halt to settlement building, as requested by the US in a bid to restart peace talks.

    The news angered the Palestinians who said it was "absolutely unacceptable".

    "The only thing suspended by this announcement will be the peace process," Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat told the AFP news agency.


    The US has been pushing Israel to accept the Palestinians' demand for a complete halt to all settlement building in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, before they will resume peace negotiations.

    But Israel wants to continue building to allow for what it calls the "natural growth" of communities there, and refuses to halt construction in East Jerusalem...'


    "The prime minister is expected to back work on hundreds of new homes next week in addition to 2,500 units already being built, a senior aide said.

    He will then consider a temporary halt to settlement building, as requested by the US in a bid to restart peace talks."

    unfuckingbelievable

    he will consider refraining from violating UN resolutions and international law and stop stealing land??? funny, we had a far different reaction when someone did that to Kuwait in the 90's....

    i wonder how americans would react if Mexico did something like this in Texas or California?
    don't compete; coexist

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  • Posts: 21,037
    "The prime minister is expected to back work on hundreds of new homes next week in addition to 2,500 units already being built, a senior aide said.

    He will then consider a temporary halt to settlement building, as requested by the US in a bid to restart peace talks."

    unfuckingbelievable

    he will consider refraining from violating UN resolutions and international law and stop stealing land??? funny, we had a far different reaction when someone did that to Kuwait in the 90's....

    i wonder how americans would react if Mexico did something like this in Texas or California?

    What's despicable about all of this is the current talk of a 'Settlement freeze'. WTF? 'Settlement freeze'? All of the settlements are illegal under international law and should be dismantled immediately.

    http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/vi ... urceID=933

    International law

    Fourth Geneva Convention Article 49
    Aug. 12, 1949



    "Article 49 - Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

    Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.

    The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene, health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family are not separated.

    The Protecting Power shall be informed of any transfers and evacuations as soon as they have taken place.

    The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.

    The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."



    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Na ... lution_242

    United Nations Security Council Resolution 242

    Adopted unanimously by the Security Council at its 1382nd meeting, on 22 November 1967

    The Security Council,

    Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,

    Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,

    Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,

    1. Affirms that the fulfilment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

    (i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

    (ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

    2. Affirms further the necessity

    (a) For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;

    (b) For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;

    (c) For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;

    3. Requests the Secretary-General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;

    4. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/se ... ettlements

    Israel rushes to approve new settlement homes before US-brokered freeze

    '...The Obama administration had insisted that Israel stop all settlement activity, including so-called "natural growth", in line with its commitments under the 2003 road map to peace.

    But Israel resisted. Now Netanyahu is offering to pause settlement building only in the occupied West Bank, not in East Jerusalem, and only for a limited period, perhaps six months. In addition he wants construction to continue on the soon-to-be approved homes and others where work has started. One Israeli report suggested the suspension could begin as early as next month.

    It looks like a deal intended to go some way towards meeting Washington's demands, while also retaining the support of his rightwing coalition, which includes many pro-settler politicians.

    "The postponement in construction is a strategic delay," Yishai said yesterday. "We won't give up on building in Jerusalem and will still build hundreds of construction units."

    In return, Arab states are to take some steps towards diplomatic links, allowing Israeli flights over their land or, in some cases, reopening Israeli trade offices...'



    So, Israel agrees to a strategic 'delay' during which hundreds more settlement homes will be constructed, and in the meantime Arab states are told to make compromises that benefit Israel.

    Ah, the irony! It would be funny if it wasn't so fucking despicable.

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