Target CD will open up "THE VAULT'!!!!

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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 97,154
    So yeah, will it only be released via mp3? Or there will be an option for flac?
  • quelquefois
    quelquefois Posts: 209
    4Powers20 wrote:
    krymsin wrote:
    jwillmo wrote:
    ... If I see a lame movie and say, "that movie was gay," there is ABSOLUTELY NO ASSOCIATION WITH HOMOSEXUALITY. I am not saying that the movie is somehow attracted to other movies of the same gender, I'm just saying it's lame. ...

    But how would you feel if someone who is gay was standing nearby and heard you associate something "lame" with the lifestyle they were given no choice to lead?

    I would expect them to either ignore me or realize the context I was using the word in. Cant always worry about what other people think.

    well then you are just incredibly insensitive and there is nothing that anyone can say that will change your mind about using 'gay' as an insult.
  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    hitman wrote:
    pjsteelerfan wrote:
    hitman wrote:
    seriously, if the target cds work for this and the ten club ones don't.... i'm buying a 2nd one from target.

    take that, pearl jam!!! ; )

    I think the 10c members will get the option of the downloads too


    I just think it's strange they (10club) didn't announce the download(s) as a perk to buying/pre-ordering the cd.... given the way we all salivate over every thing this band does!!! : )

    but, whatevah... as i said, i'll buy a second copy if it means getting to download a couple of extra shows.

    I may do the same- I may wait and see what shows are available-
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    quelquefois wrote:

    well then you are just incredibly insensitive and there is nothing that anyone can say that will change your mind about using 'gay' as an insult.

    No, you are just overly sensitive and people need to adjust what words they use as to not hurt your feelings.


    "We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08

  • quelquefois
    quelquefois Posts: 209
    4Powers20 wrote:
    quelquefois wrote:

    well then you are just incredibly insensitive and there is nothing that anyone can say that will change your mind about using 'gay' as an insult.

    No, you are just overly sensitive and people need to adjust what words they use as to not hurt your feelings.

    no, i'm not overly sensitive and my feelings have not been hurt. i am annoyed, however, that you seem to be championing using 'gay' as an insult as an exercise in free-speech. it's not about free speech, it's about you protecting your own position of power and privilege. no one is challenging your right to say what you want, but it goes both ways and everyone else has the right to point out that it's a shitty thing to say.
  • hitman
    hitman Posts: 469
    I would expect them to either ignore me or realize the context I was using the word in. Cant always worry about what other people think.[/quote]

    well then you are just incredibly insensitive and there is nothing that anyone can say that will change your mind about using 'gay' as an insult.[/quote]


    the guy cannot be reached with reason.... time to let it go. we all tried.
  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    hitman wrote:

    well then you are just incredibly insensitive and there is nothing that anyone can say that will change your mind about using 'gay' as an insult.


    the guy cannot be reached with reason.... time to let it go. we all tried.

    I dont go around insulting anyone, not my style. But I will defend anyone's right to say anything. If someone says something that I find insulting or offensive, I move on and dont let it bother me. More important things to worry about.


    "We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08

  • jwillmo
    jwillmo Posts: 471
    krymsin wrote:
    jwillmo wrote:
    ... If I see a lame movie and say, "that movie was gay," there is ABSOLUTELY NO ASSOCIATION WITH HOMOSEXUALITY. I am not saying that the movie is somehow attracted to other movies of the same gender, I'm just saying it's lame. ...

    But how would you feel if someone who is gay was standing nearby and heard you associate something "lame" with the lifestyle they were given no choice to lead?
    Well, as I said (in all caps no less) it's not associated with their lifestyle in any way.

    Do you actually know anyone who is gay? You seem to have many more preconceived notions about how gay people are than any of the so-called "insensitive" people on this board. Not all gay people are super-senitive people who can't even stand to hear the word "gay" with no respect to the context it's used without getting offended. My gay friends couldn't give two shits about some random person using gay to mean lame. They're a little more thick-skinned than that. Now if what you meant to say is if I was standing next to some hyper-sensitive gay person who got offended without even paying attention to the context it was used, then no I wouldn't care what they thought. It is a reflection of their inferrence, not my implications.
  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Watch ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS0GVOQPs0

    and yeah, "knock it off".
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  • jwillmo
    jwillmo Posts: 471
    hitman wrote:
    I would expect them to either ignore me or realize the context I was using the word in. Cant always worry about what other people think.

    well then you are just incredibly insensitive and there is nothing that anyone can say that will change your mind about using 'gay' as an insult.[/quote]


    the guy cannot be reached with reason.... time to let it go. we all tried.[/quote]
    Seriously, don't pull the whole "We're using reason and you're not" routine... It's pretty clear that there's a fundamental difference in opinion here, and I think both sides are pretty reasonable, just different. You think that words have some sort of intrinsic value that somehow exist outside of context of usage, and some disagree with this. You're opinion is no more valid or reasonable.
  • Evacuation Rules
    Evacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    jwillmo wrote:
    My gay friends couldn't give two shits about some random person using gay to mean lame.

    Same here. It's one thing to be disappointed in his choice of language and move on. It's another to derail an entire thread with a language ettiquette lesson. Some people are really wimpy when it comes to foul language, slurs and insults. They're just words. Get over it!
  • Mrs.Vedder78
    Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    jimed14 wrote:
    Watch ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS0GVOQPs0

    and yeah, "knock it off".


    Thanks for posting that, I hadn't seen that one, I had seen the other two.
    "Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV
  • quelquefois
    quelquefois Posts: 209
    Evacuation Rules wrote:
    Some people are really wimpy when it comes to foul language, slurs and insults. They're just words. Get over it!

    i guess i just feel like if someone posted something about "being 'jewed' out of something" or mentioned 'CP time', or anything to that effect using any other slur (no matter what the intention :roll: ), there would be a lot less people defending it.
  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    jimed14 wrote:
    Watch ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS0GVOQPs0

    and yeah, "knock it off".


    My response would have been, you dont understand the meaning of that word amongst my friends and I and I find it extremely rude and insulting for you to come over to us and basically tell us that we are rude and disrespectful people based on a private conversation that contain a word that you dont use the same way as we do. Could you kindly leave so we can get back to our conversation that you are not a part of. Thanks.


    "We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08

  • NYbenben
    NYbenben Posts: 1,020
    funny that most of the requested live shows on this thread ARE indeed available out there....
    4/12/92, 8/11/92, 9/28/96, 9/11/98, 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 7/9/03, 4/30/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 12/9/05, 5/12/06, 5/17/06, 5/28/06, 6/3/06, 12/9/06, EV LA 4/12-4/13/08, 6/12/08, 6,19,08, 6,20,08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 7/1/08

    and still jonesing for another show....
    "the waiting drove me mad..."
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    NYbenben wrote:
    funny that most of the requested live shows on this thread ARE indeed available out there....

    And there are good recordings out there of those shows

    I'm expecting these vault shows to be the more popular shows like randalls island 96 or seattle 00 or state college. This isn't geared to us "die hard" fans. Its more so for bringing in new fans to the mix.
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  • rcs
    rcs Posts: 711
    How 'bout Vancouver '98?

    I know it's out there but it is very poor quality.
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  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    metsfan wrote:
    NYbenben wrote:
    funny that most of the requested live shows on this thread ARE indeed available out there....

    And there are good recordings out there of those shows

    I'm expecting these vault shows to be the more popular shows like randalls island 96 or seattle 00 or state college. This isn't geared to us "die hard" fans. Its more so for bringing in new fans to the mix.

    Thats what I think too, but I would not mind if they put out some of those pre 2000 shows in better quality, or with a better mix. Or if they put out those rumored PJ shows that took place in the summer of 2007.
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • locked
    locked Boston Posts: 4,048
    metsfan wrote:
    NYbenben wrote:
    funny that most of the requested live shows on this thread ARE indeed available out there....

    And there are good recordings out there of those shows

    I'm expecting these vault shows to be the more popular shows like randalls island 96 or seattle 00 or state college. This isn't geared to us "die hard" fans. Its more so for bringing in new fans to the mix.

    I hate to argue but there is no way any of the Vault shows will be shows that were previously released as official boots by the band..

    It is just counterintuitive to the Vault concept 'nuf said..

    As far as there being version "out there" of some of the shows I requested and other people suggested, I agree..
    But we are talking Soundboards baby.. soundboards...!

    Its a bootlleg collectors thing.. you wouldn't understand unless you were a fanatic like many of us...
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  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    locked wrote:
    metsfan wrote:
    NYbenben wrote:
    funny that most of the requested live shows on this thread ARE indeed available out there....

    And there are good recordings out there of those shows

    I'm expecting these vault shows to be the more popular shows like randalls island 96 or seattle 00 or state college. This isn't geared to us "die hard" fans. Its more so for bringing in new fans to the mix.

    I hate to argue but there is no way any of the Vault shows will be shows that were previously released as official boots by the band..

    It is just counterintuitive to the Vault concept 'nuf said..

    As far as there being version "out there" of some of the shows I requested and other people suggested, I agree..
    But we are talking Soundboards baby.. soundboards...!

    Its a bootlleg collectors thing.. you wouldn't understand unless you were a fanatic like many of us...


    While I do agree that we will probably see a whole bunch of shows available that never previously were, I would think that all the ones that have been available in recent years (maybe the 2000 tour, but definitely 2003 on) will be available just because they are already mixed and probably very easy to include.


    "We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08

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