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NO CODE~Jack Irons Drums (some of the best)

crazygeocrazygeo Posts: 2,380
edited August 2013 in The Porch
I have posted this before and I still believe that some of the best drumming is on the No Code session with Jack Irons..listen to the drums on the following songs:

In My Tree ..some of the best sounding drums at the end of this song
who you are ..all the different beats and changes
Habit & Hail Hail ..very strong drumming


don't get me wrong..I'm not saying he was the Best drummer..just very good sounding drums on this and Yield for that fact....

I've seen some of the posts beating on Matt (no pun intended)..which I think he is a better drummer with effects and his song writing capibilities..plus Jack didn't want to tour....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Code (interesting read and all the turmoil in the band during No Code)..jeff was pissed..although he gets his share of songs in...
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    When I first heard No Code, I was not happy at the huge change in direction.

    No Code has definitely grown on me. Jack has what I call a "bohemian" style of playing, which live was a bit sloppy, but it was very unique and helped the band grow in a new direction.

    No Code would be nowhere near the same album without him. I can't wait for the re-release of this album. I'm hoping it will be less muddy and thick in sound, and hopefully make all the instruments more prominent.
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  • crazygeocrazygeo Posts: 2,380
    yeah whats with all the heavy murky bass sounds in their recording..its hard to crank em up at times!
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  • mach271mach271 Posts: 562
    TERRIBLE!


    DARKEST DAYS FOR PJ!
  • tcaporaletcaporale Posts: 1,577
    mach271 wrote:
    TERRIBLE!


    DARKEST DAYS FOR PJ!
    I think you mean Riot Act.

    I don't get the hate for No Code, almost every song is pretty excellent.
  • crazygeocrazygeo Posts: 2,380
    hail hail
    present tense
    habit
    red mosquito
    who you are
    in my tree
    smile


    looking pretty good to me :idea:
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  • tcaporaletcaporale Posts: 1,577
    crazygeo wrote:
    hail hail
    present tense
    habit
    red mosquito
    who you are
    in my tree
    smile


    looking pretty good to me :idea:
    Plus "Sometimes" and "Off He Goes", too!

    Great album.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    tcaporale wrote:
    crazygeo wrote:
    hail hail
    present tense
    habit
    red mosquito
    who you are
    in my tree
    smile


    looking pretty good to me :idea:
    Plus "Sometimes" and "Off He Goes", too!

    Great album.


    Great songs - it's just a complete 180 degree turn from their first 3 albums.
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  • kiljoythemercifulkiljoythemerciful Posts: 549
    Definitely some awesome drums on this album, but I never fell in love with Jack's drumming live. I didn't think he could hang on some of the heavier songs in the early pj catalog. That being said his studio work is on a couple of my favorite albums and he is a very influential part of the music on those albums. I also think he is a key to Pearl Jam's long term success.
  • mach271mach271 Posts: 562
    Ahhhhhhhhhhh Music is all subjective.....

    To all those who love this album, all i have to say is, SALUTE
  • zootownzootown Posts: 666
    kiljoythemerciful wrote:
    Definitely some awesome drums on this album, but I never fell in love with Jack's drumming live. I didn't think he could hang on some of the heavier songs in the early pj catalog. That being said his studio work is on a couple of my favorite albums and he is a very influential part of the music on those albums. I also think he is a key to Pearl Jam's long term success.

    ,
    Wow, Im surprised to hear anyone knock Jack's live drumming. I mean, a bunch of shows from early 95, which included a frequent rotation of harder songs (go, animal, blood)...those shows are great and Jack sounds awesome....IMHO
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  • crazygeocrazygeo Posts: 2,380
    and whom ever is mixing and the way things are set up....
    live shows @ camden suck..or is it just that its Camden, N.J...sorry to all Camden lovers...but its a death trap, a suicide rap you better get out while your young....
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  • LongRoadLongRoad Posts: 421
    I hate hearing Matt play Jack's songs. In My Tree has never been the same.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,169
    Riot Act > No Code :)

    There are some very good songs on No Code and some I don't like. And some songs that are great live but deosn't do it for me on the album.
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  • stratmadstratmad Posts: 208
    Nothing but love for Jack's drumming and drum sounds. I realise it's a matter of personal taste but to my hears he was the best drummer for the band at a time when the band was most interesting live and in the studio.

    Speaking of his drum sounds, take a listen to Mirrorball and Merkinball, particularly the sound of the drums on the studio version of Long Road. That sound is just the greatest, IMHO.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    LongRoad wrote:
    I hate hearing Matt play Jack's songs. In My Tree has never been the same.
    or any of the first 3 albums too.
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  • rival.rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    CJMST3K wrote:
    LongRoad wrote:
    I hate hearing Matt play Jack's songs. In My Tree has never been the same.
    or any of the first 3 albums too.

    yup.

    that's why i put matt behind dave and jack.
  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    I agree wholeheartedly with the OP.

    Bring back Jack!
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  • The NothingmanThe Nothingman Posts: 527
    I think No Code is a great (really really great) album.. i mean: sometimes, hail hail, who you are (although putting that song on the RVM is too much), in my tree (genious, mostly jack iron's work), off he goes, smile, present tense and around the bend.. all incredible songs! And jack irons have a big part on that, great drummer!

    Yield is where jack shows all of his talent.. take a better listen on low light for example, i don't think matt would play that song with such intensity...
  • VeddernarianVeddernarian Posts: 1,924
    I have many PJ songs near the top of the stack. In my Tree is at the top of the stack. I like it better than any other PJ song, and each play is like the first time. The song is orgasmic. Any other rhythm section than what was there on No Code wouldn't have been the same. Magic happened that day. None of the post-Jack live versions ever sounded right. This is one of those PJ songs that sounds so much better in the studio than live. My only complaint is that In my Tree was mixed pretty low. I hope an anniversary re-release of No Code will fix that. Who you are is also a masterpiece and credit for that song's ambience goes again to the rhythm section, especially Jack.
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  • wolfamongwolveswolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    crazygeo wrote:
    don't get me wrong..I'm not saying he was the Best drummer...

    I am saying that.
    He was.
    (though I can never forgive him for "Whale Song")

    Matt has none of the finesse or subtlety that Jack had. Matt can be great, but he only has one setting - hard as fuck. Jack had such sweet, polyrhythmic nuances made No Code in particular such a joy to listen to. I'm thrilled that they brought back "In My Tree" & "Who You Are", but Matt just doesn't have what it takes to do them justice.
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  • crazygeocrazygeo Posts: 2,380
    I'm thrilled that they brought back "In My Tree" & "Who You Are", but Matt just doesn't have what it takes to do them justice.

    I agree with you...even though some may argue to no avail......

    it's missing the intensity....Live 06-19-2008 Camden
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  • not for me?not for me? Posts: 501
    crazygeo wrote:
    I've seen some of the posts beating on Matt (no pun intended).

    LIAR! You intended the shit out of that pun. ;)
    Nathan
  • crazygeocrazygeo Posts: 2,380
    okay I did...but he sounds very different than Matt in the studio
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  • crazygeocrazygeo Posts: 2,380
    I am hoping some new sounds or even heavier drumming comes from Matt on Lightning Bolt. He has some great drumming on King Animal. That is such a great disk! I am hoping Pear Jam can top it as it has some classics. Blood on the valley floor is awesome. Just listen to it!!!

    Matt best drumming is ... Jesus Christ pose
    Jack is on No Code....in my tree
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  • smanchac1smanchac1 Posts: 2,256
    All I am doing is cringing reading this! As a drummer, jack is by far the sloppiest!

    I was watching all the 98 videos just two days ago that ten club put out and I was cringing at all the songs w jack... Then the final two, present tense and Wishlist were with Matt and 1,000,000 times better.

    I have so much to say that instead I'll stop... And let everyone have their own opinions.

    Best technical drummers
    Dave
    Matt
    Jack

    Best drummer for the band
    Matt
    Jack
    Dave

    My personal preference?
    Dave
    Matt
    Jack

    And I LOVE Matt.. Truly an underrated drumming genius...

    My point is - its all subjective. Without Dave there wouldn't have been the AMAZING tightness that led to the great early shows that built pjs name.. Without jack pearl jam would have broken up in 1994. And without Matt PJ more than likely wouldnt exist today.

    I've learned to respect each one and honor their time in the band.

    But jack sucks!!! Sorry I couldn't help it :oops:
  • William WallaceWilliam Wallace Posts: 553
    No Code = best PJ album
    Jack Irons = best PJ drummer
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I couldn't agree with the OP more.Jack was the best
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    crazygeo wrote:
    I'm thrilled that they brought back "In My Tree" & "Who You Are", but Matt just doesn't have what it takes to do them justice.

    I agree with you...even though some may argue to no avail......

    it's missing the intensity....Live 06-19-2008 Camden
    Matt doesn't do SOLAT any justice, or most of the pre yield stuf.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,072
    Jack (as well as the whole band) looks and sounds great here. Love this one:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD3p2k_UpXE
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  • crazygeocrazygeo Posts: 2,380
    NO CODE~Jack Irons Drums (some of the best)

    Unread postby Last-12-Exit » 02 Aug 2013 18:36



    crazygeo wrote:I'm thrilled that they brought back "In My Tree" & "Who You Are", but Matt just doesn't have what it takes to do them justice.

    I agree with you...even though some may argue to no avail......

    it's missing the intensity....Live 06-19-2008 Camden

    Matt doesn't do SOLAT any justice, or most of the pre yield stuf.

    Agreed...Love Matt... But in studio, No Code and Yield are hands down the best drum sounding albums (Jack behind the kit!!)....same producer
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