NO CODE~Jack Irons Drums (some of the best)

crazygeo
crazygeo Posts: 2,380
edited August 2013 in The Porch
I have posted this before and I still believe that some of the best drumming is on the No Code session with Jack Irons..listen to the drums on the following songs:

In My Tree ..some of the best sounding drums at the end of this song
who you are ..all the different beats and changes
Habit & Hail Hail ..very strong drumming


don't get me wrong..I'm not saying he was the Best drummer..just very good sounding drums on this and Yield for that fact....

I've seen some of the posts beating on Matt (no pun intended)..which I think he is a better drummer with effects and his song writing capibilities..plus Jack didn't want to tour....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Code (interesting read and all the turmoil in the band during No Code)..jeff was pissed..although he gets his share of songs in...
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  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    When I first heard No Code, I was not happy at the huge change in direction.

    No Code has definitely grown on me. Jack has what I call a "bohemian" style of playing, which live was a bit sloppy, but it was very unique and helped the band grow in a new direction.

    No Code would be nowhere near the same album without him. I can't wait for the re-release of this album. I'm hoping it will be less muddy and thick in sound, and hopefully make all the instruments more prominent.
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  • crazygeo
    crazygeo Posts: 2,380
    yeah whats with all the heavy murky bass sounds in their recording..its hard to crank em up at times!
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  • mach271
    mach271 Posts: 562
    TERRIBLE!


    DARKEST DAYS FOR PJ!
  • tcaporale
    tcaporale Posts: 1,577
    mach271 wrote:
    TERRIBLE!


    DARKEST DAYS FOR PJ!
    I think you mean Riot Act.

    I don't get the hate for No Code, almost every song is pretty excellent.
  • crazygeo
    crazygeo Posts: 2,380
    hail hail
    present tense
    habit
    red mosquito
    who you are
    in my tree
    smile


    looking pretty good to me :idea:
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    *Eddie Vedder 2011-06-25
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  • tcaporale
    tcaporale Posts: 1,577
    crazygeo wrote:
    hail hail
    present tense
    habit
    red mosquito
    who you are
    in my tree
    smile


    looking pretty good to me :idea:
    Plus "Sometimes" and "Off He Goes", too!

    Great album.
  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    tcaporale wrote:
    crazygeo wrote:
    hail hail
    present tense
    habit
    red mosquito
    who you are
    in my tree
    smile


    looking pretty good to me :idea:
    Plus "Sometimes" and "Off He Goes", too!

    Great album.


    Great songs - it's just a complete 180 degree turn from their first 3 albums.
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    *Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
    *Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
    *Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
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    *Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
  • kiljoythemerciful
    kiljoythemerciful Posts: 549
    Definitely some awesome drums on this album, but I never fell in love with Jack's drumming live. I didn't think he could hang on some of the heavier songs in the early pj catalog. That being said his studio work is on a couple of my favorite albums and he is a very influential part of the music on those albums. I also think he is a key to Pearl Jam's long term success.
  • mach271
    mach271 Posts: 562
    Ahhhhhhhhhhh Music is all subjective.....

    To all those who love this album, all i have to say is, SALUTE
  • zootown
    zootown Posts: 666
    kiljoythemerciful wrote:
    Definitely some awesome drums on this album, but I never fell in love with Jack's drumming live. I didn't think he could hang on some of the heavier songs in the early pj catalog. That being said his studio work is on a couple of my favorite albums and he is a very influential part of the music on those albums. I also think he is a key to Pearl Jam's long term success.

    ,
    Wow, Im surprised to hear anyone knock Jack's live drumming. I mean, a bunch of shows from early 95, which included a frequent rotation of harder songs (go, animal, blood)...those shows are great and Jack sounds awesome....IMHO
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  • crazygeo
    crazygeo Posts: 2,380
    and whom ever is mixing and the way things are set up....
    live shows @ camden suck..or is it just that its Camden, N.J...sorry to all Camden lovers...but its a death trap, a suicide rap you better get out while your young....
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  • LongRoad
    LongRoad Posts: 421
    I hate hearing Matt play Jack's songs. In My Tree has never been the same.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,673
    Riot Act > No Code :)

    There are some very good songs on No Code and some I don't like. And some songs that are great live but deosn't do it for me on the album.
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  • stratmad
    stratmad Posts: 211
    Nothing but love for Jack's drumming and drum sounds. I realise it's a matter of personal taste but to my hears he was the best drummer for the band at a time when the band was most interesting live and in the studio.

    Speaking of his drum sounds, take a listen to Mirrorball and Merkinball, particularly the sound of the drums on the studio version of Long Road. That sound is just the greatest, IMHO.
  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    LongRoad wrote:
    I hate hearing Matt play Jack's songs. In My Tree has never been the same.
    or any of the first 3 albums too.
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    *MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
    *Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
    *Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
    *Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
    *VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
    *EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
    *Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
  • rival.
    rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    CJMST3K wrote:
    LongRoad wrote:
    I hate hearing Matt play Jack's songs. In My Tree has never been the same.
    or any of the first 3 albums too.

    yup.

    that's why i put matt behind dave and jack.
  • LONGRD
    LONGRD Posts: 6,036
    I agree wholeheartedly with the OP.

    Bring back Jack!
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  • The Nothingman
    The Nothingman Posts: 527
    I think No Code is a great (really really great) album.. i mean: sometimes, hail hail, who you are (although putting that song on the RVM is too much), in my tree (genious, mostly jack iron's work), off he goes, smile, present tense and around the bend.. all incredible songs! And jack irons have a big part on that, great drummer!

    Yield is where jack shows all of his talent.. take a better listen on low light for example, i don't think matt would play that song with such intensity...
  • Veddernarian
    Veddernarian Posts: 1,924
    I have many PJ songs near the top of the stack. In my Tree is at the top of the stack. I like it better than any other PJ song, and each play is like the first time. The song is orgasmic. Any other rhythm section than what was there on No Code wouldn't have been the same. Magic happened that day. None of the post-Jack live versions ever sounded right. This is one of those PJ songs that sounds so much better in the studio than live. My only complaint is that In my Tree was mixed pretty low. I hope an anniversary re-release of No Code will fix that. Who you are is also a masterpiece and credit for that song's ambience goes again to the rhythm section, especially Jack.
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  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    crazygeo wrote:
    don't get me wrong..I'm not saying he was the Best drummer...

    I am saying that.
    He was.
    (though I can never forgive him for "Whale Song")

    Matt has none of the finesse or subtlety that Jack had. Matt can be great, but he only has one setting - hard as fuck. Jack had such sweet, polyrhythmic nuances made No Code in particular such a joy to listen to. I'm thrilled that they brought back "In My Tree" & "Who You Are", but Matt just doesn't have what it takes to do them justice.
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