Israeli soldiers admit 'shoot first' policy in Gaza

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    BRMLAW wrote:
    Your poor little innocent Pali's. Just as murderous then as they are now.

    Here's a question for you. Were you happy when over 400 Palestinian children were massacred by Israel in January of this year?
    And does it please you that Gaza is currently a prison in which the population has been reduced to abject poverty and malnutrition as a form of collective punishment for having elected the wrong people?
  • BRMLAW
    BRMLAW Posts: 153
    Byrnzie wrote:
    BRMLAW wrote:
    Your poor little innocent Pali's. Just as murderous then as they are now.

    Here's a question for you. Were you happy when over 400 Palestinian children were massacred by Israel in January of this year?
    And does it please you that Gaza is currently a prison in which the population has been reduced to abject poverty and malnutrition as a form of collective punishment for having elected the wrong people?

    I dont particularly see much of anyone else paying any attention to you. I have no facts to support the assertions in your loaded question. Do I think its right to target civillians on either side. Clearly no. Both sides do it. Make it right? No. But the atrocities are on both sides. And if you excuse that than you are just a biased apologist for palestinian violence, no matter what the cost.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    BRMLAW wrote:
    I dont particularly see much of anyone else paying any attention to you. I have no facts to support the assertions in your loaded question. Do I think its right to target civillians on either side. Clearly no. Both sides do it. Make it right? No. But the atrocities are on both sides. And if you excuse that than you are just a biased apologist for palestinian violence, no matter what the cost.

    Every major report whether it be about the recent blockade and invasion on Gaza or anything else Israel has done by every interntational body has said that their response has ALWAYS been disproportionate to anything coming from the other side.

    How can anyone justify what Israel did this year and continue to do so??? If you have any ounce of respect for humanity or a belief in human rights - you should be sickened by the conditions they are making people live in.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    BRMLAW wrote:

    I dont particularly see much of anyone else paying any attention to you. I have no facts to support the assertions in your loaded question. Do I think its right to target civillians on either side. Clearly no. Both sides do it. Make it right? No. But the atrocities are on both sides. And if you excuse that than you are just a biased apologist for palestinian violence, no matter what the cost.

    que HUGE cut and paste, stage right.. you are even going to get some color included.

    its works like this around here....if you do not fully unequivocally support Hamas and their targeting of civilians then you automatically, without discussion, support the Zionists and applaud genocide.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    jlew24asu wrote:
    BRMLAW wrote:

    I dont particularly see much of anyone else paying any attention to you. I have no facts to support the assertions in your loaded question. Do I think its right to target civillians on either side. Clearly no. Both sides do it. Make it right? No. But the atrocities are on both sides. And if you excuse that than you are just a biased apologist for palestinian violence, no matter what the cost.

    que HUGE cut and paste, stage right.. you are even going to get some color included.

    its works like this around here....if you do not fully unequivocally support Hamas and their targeting of civilians then you automatically, without discussion, support the Zionists and applaud genocide.


    should i give you 2 the link of that Israeli government website that says from '05-'08 less than 30 Israeli's were killed with maybe 10 attacks total in those 3 years while Israel killed hundreds?

    oh, right, links and information are no good, let's just make baseless claims like BRMLAW when he said they attack Israel with rocket attacks by the hundreds :roll:
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    BRMLAW wrote:
    I dont particularly see much of anyone else paying any attention to you. I have no facts to support the assertions in your loaded question. Do I think its right to target civillians on either side. Clearly no. Both sides do it. Make it right? No. But the atrocities are on both sides. And if you excuse that than you are just a biased apologist for palestinian violence, no matter what the cost.

    I don't see anyone excusing it, i hate it, i wish they would both stop, but that''s not going to happen anytime soon is it? And why's that? You have to look at the bigger picture. Targeting and killing Israelis has become part of the problem. Yes. Of course it has. But that seems to overshadow the original problem. Why are they even doing that? Because Israel is brutally occupying them.

    And lets not kid ourselves here. Hamas is not the only Israeli target. The target is the same target it has been for 60 years. Ordinary Palestinian people who have first suffered the indignity of having their land stolen from them, then endured 60 years of appalling conditions within Palestine or exile outside it. Sixty years of physical and psychological violence and oppression.

    Gaza is one of the world's most densely populated areas, there are 4,000 people per square kilometre and not one of them can escape. Imagine living like that. What right does Israel have to continue with this brutal occupation? Israel continually violates their basic rights, every freaking single day. Why? How many palestinian children die? How many of them were never at war with Israel, never pointed a gun at them, never fired rockets at them. Their crime? They were a child born in Gaza.

    If Israel chooses to continue punishing a whole nation of people for the actions of a few, the conflict will never end. Instead, Israel should defuse the extremism by working to build the Palestinian economy. They need to reopen Gaza borders and not only allow aid from other countries to go to Gaza, but also work to provide aid on their own. They need to immediately give them their land back and stop violating their basic human rights.

    If they are not prepared to do that, then fuck the Israeli Government, and fuck the US support of Israel.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    I don't see anyone excusing it, i hate it, i wish they would both stop, but that''s not going to happen anytime soon is it? And why's that? You have to look at the bigger picture. Targeting and killing Israelis has become part of the problem. Yes. Of course it has.

    part of the problem is many on this board completely disagree with you.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    jlew24asu wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    I don't see anyone excusing it, i hate it, i wish they would both stop, but that''s not going to happen anytime soon is it? And why's that? You have to look at the bigger picture. Targeting and killing Israelis has become part of the problem. Yes. Of course it has.

    part of the problem is many on this board completely disagree with you.
    I doubt they disagree with the rest of my quote you cut out.
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    Why are they even doing that? Because Israel is brutally occupying them.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    I don't see anyone excusing it, i hate it, i wish they would both stop, but that''s not going to happen anytime soon is it? And why's that? You have to look at the bigger picture. Targeting and killing Israelis has become part of the problem. Yes. Of course it has.

    part of the problem is many on this board completely disagree with you.
    I doubt they disagree with the rest of my quote you cut out.
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    Why are they even doing that? Because Israel is brutally occupying them.

    of course not. but it would be nice if they can agree with all of it. but that will never happen, thus the problems continue.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    of course not. but it would be nice if they can agree with all of it. but that will never happen, thus the problems continue.

    do you agree with triumphantangel's assertion that the crux of the problem is israel's brutal occupation?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    of course not. but it would be nice if they can agree with all of it. but that will never happen, thus the problems continue.

    do you agree with triumphantangel's assertion that the crux of the problem is israel's brutal occupation?

    yes of course. I've said this NUMEROUS times on this board. yet, since I do not support Hamas, that translates to me 100% supporting Israel.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    of course not. but it would be nice if they can agree with all of it. but that will never happen, thus the problems continue.

    do you agree with triumphantangel's assertion that the crux of the problem is israel's brutal occupation?

    yes of course. I've said this NUMEROUS times on this board. yet, since I do not support Hamas, that translates to me 100% supporting Israel.

    if that is the case - then the problem does not continue ... the problem would stop if we could get israel to withdraw ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:

    if that is the case - then the problem does not continue ... the problem would stop if we could get israel to withdraw ...

    :roll: I know I know. Hamas can do no wrong.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:

    if that is the case - then the problem does not continue ... the problem would stop if we could get israel to withdraw ...

    :roll: I know I know. Hamas can do no wrong.

    who says that? ... again - secondary to the crux ... we could point at western compliance as another factor but in the end - israel needs to withdraw and that's what the focus should be ...
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    jlew24asu wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:

    if that is the case - then the problem does not continue ... the problem would stop if we could get israel to withdraw ...

    :roll: I know I know. Hamas can do no wrong.
    Why do you do that? We are having a reasonable discussion and you pull bullshit like that.

    You know and i know that the occupation is brutal, and a violation of the palestinian peoples basic human rights. The problem wouldn't continue if the israelis give back to the palestinians what is rightfully theirs. It would stop. At least that's how i see it. Do you not see that If Israel does that and completely improves the lives of Palestinians, Hamas will be helpless to do anything but watch as their support dwindles?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:

    if that is the case - then the problem does not continue ... the problem would stop if we could get israel to withdraw ...

    :roll: I know I know. Hamas can do no wrong.
    Why do you do that? We are having a reasonable discussion and you pull bullshit like that.

    You know and i know that the occupation is brutal, and a violation of the palestinian peoples basic human rights. The problem wouldn't continue if the israelis give back to the palestinians what is rightfully theirs. It would stop. At least that's how i see it. Do you not see that If Israel does that and completely improves the lives of Palestinians, Hamas will be helpless to do anything but watch as their support dwindles?

    absolutely, I agree. and if Hamas renounces violence and agrees to recognize Israel, then support for Israel would most certainly dwindle if they continued to do what they do. works both ways. is it completely fair? no. but neither is life.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    BRMLAW wrote:
    Do I think its right to target civillians on either side. Clearly no. Both sides do it. Make it right? No. But the atrocities are on both sides. And if you excuse that than you are just a biased apologist for palestinian violence, no matter what the cost.

    You make it sound like a level playing field, which it isn't. You're forgetting - or choosing to ignore - the occupation. The suicide bombings didn't begin until 1994. The rocket attacks came a lot later. The illegal Israeli occupation began in 1948 and has continued unabated ever since. In fact illegal Jewish-only settlement expansion accelerated immediately after the Oslo Accords in 1993.

    The Israeli's have recently shown that they have no intention of dismantling the illegal settlements. This is a land grab, pure and simple. It's Zionist ethnic cleansing. Is this something you support?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yes of course. I've said this NUMEROUS times on this board. yet, since I do not support Hamas, that translates to me 100% supporting Israel.

    Hamas weren't in charge before 2006. How did you make excuses for Israel's crimes before 2006?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:

    You make it sound like a level playing field, which it isn't. You're forgetting - or choosing to ignore - the occupation. The suicide bombings didn't begin until 1994. The rocket attacks came a lot later. The illegal Israeli occupation began in 1948 and has continued unabated ever since. In fact illegal Jewish-only settlement expansion accelerated immediately after the Oslo Accords in 1993.

    The Israeli's have recently shown that they have no intention of dismantling the illegal settlements. This is a land grab, pure and simple. It's Zionist ethnic cleansing. Is this something you support?


    by not completely agreeing with you, word for word, on this entire issue..... yes...he supports Zionist ethic cleansing, as do I. 110%

    :roll:
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yes of course. I've said this NUMEROUS times on this board. yet, since I do not support Hamas, that translates to me 100% supporting Israel.

    Hamas weren't in charge before 2006. How did you make excuses for Israel's crimes before 2006?

    I dont make excuses for Israel crimes. never have, never will.
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