matt leaving?
cool,,now i can be the new drummer of the band,,,
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i personally prefer jack. i liked the tribal beats and the amount of space he created for the rest of the band.
that said, matt is clearly the most talented and technically proficient drummer that has ever played with pearl jam. i don't think this can be argued.
You know as someone who plays drums I could argue this point until my face turns blue. :P
What exactly can Matt do better than Dave? He isn't as fluid in his movements, his feet definitely are NOT better (Again listen to his calf go crazy on State of Love and Trust) He can't play faster (Listen to any live Porch)
Is it maybe because of his Jazz technique? That's the only thing I could think of that might put Matt higher than Dave, because based on pure talent, the argument isn't even close.
And sorry Jenny, I've never argued this (I'm still a newbie here)
And I don't like the way Matt plays who you are either. And for that matter the way Jack played Given to Fly on SVT was amazing. Matt doesn't do that either.. :(
That being said I still love Matt as a drummer, and I love Jack to. Just as a drummer I know how difficult it is to mimic Dave's style.
i personally prefer jack. i liked the tribal beats and the amount of space he created for the rest of the band.
that said, matt is clearly the most talented and technically proficient drummer that has ever played with pearl jam. i don't think this can be argued.
You know as someone who plays drums I could argue this point until my face turns blue. :P
What exactly can Matt do better than Dave? He isn't as fluid in his movements, his feet definitely are NOT better (Again listen to his calf go crazy on State of Love and Trust) He can't play faster (Listen to any live Porch)
Is it maybe because of his Jazz technique? That's the only thing I could think of that might put Matt higher than Dave, because based on pure talent, the argument isn't even close.
And sorry Jenny, I've never argued this (I'm still a newbie here)
And I don't like the way Matt plays who you are either. And for that matter the way Jack played Given to Fly on SVT was amazing. Matt doesn't do that either.. :(
That being said I still love Matt as a drummer, and I love Jack to. Just as a drummer I know how difficult it is to mimic Dave's style.
Well put.
I'm a drummer too. Is that you in your avatar? How long have you been playing? I used to cover PJ in 1992 on drums, and when they switched drummers in '95, the change was really, really sad.
I love what Dave brought to the table, and has never been out-done.
Jack, while sloppy live and on early material had his own, what I call "bohemian" style. It worked on his songs.
Matt Cameron deserves mad respect. The material he's written with the band has been great, but his performance on tons of early material is dry and boring. ...but again, mad respect on his own songs.
To avoid this thread being turned into a Dave vs Jack vs Matt thread, I'm gonna bump this thread which already gets into this pretty well: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=95437&start=75
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i personally prefer jack. i liked the tribal beats and the amount of space he created for the rest of the band.
that said, matt is clearly the most talented and technically proficient drummer that has ever played with pearl jam. i don't think this can be argued.
You know as someone who plays drums I could argue this point until my face turns blue. :P
What exactly can Matt do better than Dave? He isn't as fluid in his movements, his feet definitely are NOT better (Again listen to his calf go crazy on State of Love and Trust) He can't play faster (Listen to any live Porch)
Is it maybe because of his Jazz technique? That's the only thing I could think of that might put Matt higher than Dave, because based on pure talent, the argument isn't even close.
And sorry Jenny, I've never argued this (I'm still a newbie here)
And I don't like the way Matt plays who you are either. And for that matter the way Jack played Given to Fly on SVT was amazing. Matt doesn't do that either.. :(
That being said I still love Matt as a drummer, and I love Jack to. Just as a drummer I know how difficult it is to mimic Dave's style.
Well put.
I'm a drummer too. Is that you in your avatar? How long have you been playing?
I love what Dave brought to the table, and has never been out-done.
Jack, while sloppy live and on early material had his own, what I call "bohemian" style. It worked on his songs.
Matt Cameron deserves mad respect. The material he's written with the band has been great, but his performance on tons of early material is dry and boring. ...but again, mad respect on his own songs.
I dont believe the longest tenured drummer will just pick up and leave.
I'm sure a Soundgarden reunion will happen, but I think that Cameron is prob contractually obligated to tour in support of Backspacer.
Again, not ruling out splitting time between the two bands....then that starts the thoughts of Pearl Jam+Soundgarden TOUR!?!?! oh man
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Pre Matt = ten, vs, vitalogy, no code, yield...all great great albums...
Matt = Binaural - ok experimental disc, zero commercial success
Riot Act - Meh...LBC, Save you, All or none, a few high points, not a very good overall disc
Pearl Jam - Yikes
A new drummer to actually fit the bands sound would be a ok with me.
Exxactly. There's no denying that trend. Even the band acknowledges it.
Are you saying that the band acknowledges that since Matt there has been a downward trend? I could be misunderstanding you, but what the hell does 'even the band acknowledges it' mean exactly? TO be honest, i'm not a huge fan of Matts drumming, but anything I've heard from Ed and the other guys leaves me thinking that they think Matt is a drum God.
The band loves Matt. But I think it's like having a really good friend that you don't have the heart to tell you don't want to hang out with anymore. They won't get rid of Matt. But they said in that big RS interview about the upcoming album that the last few albums were loaded with filler that is not very good and that this time around they are making a conscious effort to pick all songs that are good enough to stay in the live set for longer than the tour supporting the album where they're obligated to play it.
As to the person above that mentioned Rival and I Am Mine... yes, the members still would have written the songs. But 1) who knows if they'd have ended up on albums under the dynamic with Jack (they did a pretty good job picking their best songs for No Code and Yield) and 2) the songs would have sounded very, very different. I can hear Jack's style on those songs very clearly in my head... Rival more groovy and less halting and weird, with a bit of an In My Tree vibe, and I Am Mine much more soaring and less dreary and underwhelming, in the vein of Given to Fly. Matt's a great technical drummer, but he's not a very organic one. Jack is, and so was Dave. And the rest of PJ is a very organic live force. They play off each other well.
The band loves Matt. But I think it's like having a really good friend that you don't have the heart to tell you don't want to hang out with anymore. They won't get rid of Matt. But they said in that big RS interview about the upcoming album that the last few albums were loaded with filler that is not very good and that this time around they are making a conscious effort to pick all songs that are good enough to stay in the live set for longer than the tour supporting the album where they're obligated to play it.
As to the person above that mentioned Rival and I Am Mine... yes, the members still would have written the songs. But 1) who knows if they'd have ended up on albums under the dynamic with Jack (they did a pretty good job picking their best songs for No Code and Yield) and 2) the songs would have sounded very, very different. I can hear Jack's style on those songs very clearly in my head... Rival more groovy and less halting and weird, with a bit of an In My Tree vibe, and I Am Mine much more soaring and less dreary and underwhelming, in the vein of Given to Fly. Matt's a great technical drummer, but he's not a very organic one. Jack is, and so was Dave. And the rest of PJ is a very organic live force. They play off each other well.
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Great post bud.
I LOVED what Jack Irons brought to the table. Matt is very technical, Jack and Dave not so much.
I would personally love to hear Dave's aggression in songs like Life Wasted, and World Wide Suicide. Then I can't help but wonder how Riot Act would have sounded if Jack was behind the kit. I also think Jack could have taken Binaural to another level.
These Dave Vs Jack Vs Matt arguments are getting really really really old. Would you guys say the same thing if Mike or Stone got replaced? There are better guitarists out there. Or Jeff? There are better bass players. Personally, the energy I felt from the shows I have seen with Matt far outweighed the shows I saw with Jack. Even on most of the boots I have heard. I like Jack, too. I really only think he played better on a few songs. I like Dave a lot too. I love how he played up till 1994. But, I really don't think any of the Albulms after Yeild would have been any better with Jack. Ed's writing and singing make the band more than anything. I don't think Jack or Dave would have changed any of the lyrics or riffs on Binaural, Riot Act, or Acocado.
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I don't think Jack or Dave would have changed any of the lyrics or riffs on Binaural, Riot Act, or Acocado.
The only gripe I have is how the older stuff is played by later drummers, and it's the older stuff that got me into the band. As a drummer it's kinda like someone said that Ed is gonna change the words to all the earlier songs... so love it or leave it.
I love Matt's playing on his stuff, and very much prefer Dave's stuff on the earlier stuff. There's a dramatic difference.
So can someone answer if Dave & jack are so fucking much better than Matt why are they not in a top notch band at the moment answers please ...
Dave = attention seeker wanted to be in every magazine cover wanted to make videos of every song ....he didn't get what this band was trying to get across in 94 that's why he was asked to leave ....
Jack = Great drummer but mentally was just not into the play in a band atmosphere at all ......
do people here really believe that they know more about who the best drummer for this band is, even if you play drums since 3yrs old you don't know better than Stone & Jeff ...........................
So can someone answer if Dave & jack are so fucking much better than Matt why are they not in a top notch band at the moment answers please ...
Dave = attention seeker wanted to be in every magazine cover wanted to make videos of every song ....he didn't get what this band was trying to get across in 94 that's why he was asked to leave ....
Jack = Great drummer but mentally was just not into the play in a band atmosphere at all ......
do people here really believe that they know more about who the best drummer for this band is, even if you play drums since 3yrs old you don't know better than Stone & Jeff ...........................
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My argument is that Dave A is more talented than Matt, and (since I've played drums sense I was three ) I can "musically" back that up.
Matt just doesn't do the Ten/Vs./Vitalogy songs justice behind the kit. (Slow Even Flow Down!! :evil: ) The same can be said about his "attempt" to play songs like Who You are, and In My Tree.
So can someone answer if Dave & jack are so fucking much better than Matt why are they not in a top notch band at the moment answers please ...
Dave = attention seeker wanted to be in every magazine cover wanted to make videos of every song ....he didn't get what this band was trying to get across in 94 that's why he was asked to leave ....
Jack = Great drummer but mentally was just not into the play in a band atmosphere at all ......
do people here really believe that they know more about who the best drummer for this band is, even if you play drums since 3yrs old you don't know better than Stone & Jeff ...........................
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=95437&start=75
My argument is that Dave A is more talented than Matt, and (since I've played drums sense I was three ) I can "musically" back that up.
Matt just doesn't do the Ten/Vs./Vitalogy songs justice behind the kit. (Slow Even Flow Down!! :evil: ) The same can be said about his "attempt" to play songs like Who You are, and In My Tree.
I think they're very different. I feel that Matt is a very talented, very technical drummer, but he sometimes seems void of the energy that enhances the earlier songs so much.
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I think they're very different. I feel that Matt is a very talented, very technical drummer, but he sometimes seems void of the energy that enhances the earlier songs so much.
So can someone answer if Dave & jack are so fucking much better than Matt why are they not in a top notch band at the moment answers please ...
Dave = attention seeker wanted to be in every magazine cover wanted to make videos of every song ....he didn't get what this band was trying to get across in 94 that's why he was asked to leave ....
Jack = Great drummer but mentally was just not into the play in a band atmosphere at all ......
do people here really believe that they know more about who the best drummer for this band is, even if you play drums since 3yrs old you don't know better than Stone & Jeff ...........................
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My argument is that Dave A is more talented than Matt, and (since I've played drums sense I was three ) I can "musically" back that up.
Matt just doesn't do the Ten/Vs./Vitalogy songs justice behind the kit. (Slow Even Flow Down!! :evil: ) The same can be said about his "attempt" to play songs like Who You are, and In My Tree.
It is very possible that Matt plays the songs now exactly how the rest of the band wants him to play them.
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It is very possible that Matt plays the songs now exactly how the rest of the band wants him to play them.
I think PJ has given all their drummers latitude to play however they see fit. That explains the huge differences between ALL of them. From Krusen to Chamberlain to Abbruzzese to Irons to Cameron.
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My argument is that Dave A is more talented than Matt, and (since I've played drums sense I was three ) I can "musically" back that up.
Matt just doesn't do the Ten/Vs./Vitalogy songs justice behind the kit. (Slow Even Flow Down!! :evil: ) The same can be said about his "attempt" to play songs like Who You are, and In My Tree.[/quote]
I hear you there... although, to be fair I read in an interview once that Jack had the part to In My Tree since he started playing drums... same with Who You Are....
so I don't care HOW good of a drummer you are, you'll never be able to play the part the same way, with the same feeling, as the guy who has played it all his life. It's part of him, just as Jesus Christ Pose IS a Matt jam... plain and simple!
Pre Matt = ten, vs, vitalogy, no code, yield...all great great albums...
Matt = Binaural - ok experimental disc, zero commercial success
Riot Act - Meh...LBC, Save you, All or none, a few high points, not a very good overall disc
Pearl Jam - Yikes
A new drummer to actually fit the bands sound would be a ok with me.
Sorry but Matt has NOTHING to do with their later albums, only the songs he actually wrote made any difference. Do you honestly think Ed, Stone, Jeff, and Mike wrote those songs because of Matt? Ed would've written I am Mine either way, stone would've written Rival either way, etc. The only thing that has to do with is how matt played on the songs, not the actual songs themselves.
The last 3 albums arent as good as the earlier ones simply because they are later albums. Every band writes their better stuff early in their career. Anyway, Avocado was an awesome album.
Back on topic: Matt isnt leaving, thats just ridiculous. PJ is NOT going through another drummer. Matt is welded into PJ. There was an article saying that PJ literally CAN'T tour in 2010 because of a member having a baby. Supposedly that baby is actually Matt leaving for Soundgarden. It's just a temporary reunion.
Ed would've written I am Mine either way... yes
Stone would've written Rival either way... why yes of course.
Do Ed or Stone play the drums on either of those songs?...Well..No, not at all...
It doesnt matter what songs they wrote or how they were written, what matters in this discussion is that Matt plays the drums for those songs and his style of drumming doesnt mix well with the rest of the band...
Stone would've still written rival...yes...would it have been a better song if dave or jack played the drums on it instead of cameron?...Yes.
while i agree with the Dave A being better comments, i think Matt is a bit restricted, and i rekon he is easily influced by Eddie etc who encourage him to play a certain way. If you listen to Matts early drumming on Soundgarden it is quite different (and awesome)
a good example of this is the old Soundgarden song 'Like Suicide', best drumming i've ever heard from Matt!
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These Dave Vs Jack Vs Matt arguments are getting really really really old. Would you guys say the same thing if Mike or Stone got replaced? There are better guitarists out there. Or Jeff? There are better bass players. Personally, the energy I felt from the shows I have seen with Matt far outweighed the shows I saw with Jack. Even on most of the boots I have heard. I like Jack, too. I really only think he played better on a few songs. I like Dave a lot too. I love how he played up till 1994. But, I really don't think any of the Albulms after Yeild would have been any better with Jack. Ed's writing and singing make the band more than anything. I don't think Jack or Dave would have changed any of the lyrics or riffs on Binaural, Riot Act, or Acocado.
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I was wondering why the hell this is always at the top of the page...it turned into the great drummer debate V.2371.
I can't resist.
Matt's the best because my two ears and imagination like him more than the other two.
The whole, i play drums and know dave is technically superior is moot because the same argument has been made by drummer fans about each pj drummer.
Each drummer has their own fans and it's great, but it's silly to think there is an equation or test to solve this endless debate. I luuuuv endless debates.
The next time Dave A plays something Matt came up with let me know. My point is it's your opinion, which is fine. But these claims of, I play drums and this is harder than that are silly. What's hard for some is easy for others or vice versa. I've known many guitar players who can shred through a Halen solo that they have worked on for a long time, but throw an interesting and rhythmically challenging chord progression and they can't pick it up, vice versa. If you created it, you've got the advantage. So yeah, Dave A is prob gonna sound best (most like his sound) than Matt on songs Dave A created the drums to.
Did I say I love all of them? Bottom line is the band seems happy with Matt so hopefully we all can.
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figured someone would misconstrue what i was trying to point out.
Listen to how Dave plays State of Love and Trust on the Unplugged DVD.
Matt can't touch that.
Matt can be replaced
I'm not gonna lose sleep if Matt is leaving or he isnt
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But, since we're there:
Dave: Energy
Jack: Techical (High)
Matt: Technical (Mid-high)
My only complaints about Matt: play In My Tree correctly!
that said, matt is clearly the most talented and technically proficient drummer that has ever played with pearl jam. i don't think this can be argued.
cool,,now i can be the new drummer of the band,,,
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You know as someone who plays drums I could argue this point until my face turns blue. :P
What exactly can Matt do better than Dave? He isn't as fluid in his movements, his feet definitely are NOT better (Again listen to his calf go crazy on State of Love and Trust) He can't play faster (Listen to any live Porch)
Is it maybe because of his Jazz technique? That's the only thing I could think of that might put Matt higher than Dave, because based on pure talent, the argument isn't even close.
And sorry Jenny, I've never argued this (I'm still a newbie here)
And I don't like the way Matt plays who you are either. And for that matter the way Jack played Given to Fly on SVT was amazing. Matt doesn't do that either.. :(
That being said I still love Matt as a drummer, and I love Jack to. Just as a drummer I know how difficult it is to mimic Dave's style.
Well put.
I'm a drummer too. Is that you in your avatar? How long have you been playing? I used to cover PJ in 1992 on drums, and when they switched drummers in '95, the change was really, really sad.
I love what Dave brought to the table, and has never been out-done.
Jack, while sloppy live and on early material had his own, what I call "bohemian" style. It worked on his songs.
Matt Cameron deserves mad respect. The material he's written with the band has been great, but his performance on tons of early material is dry and boring. ...but again, mad respect on his own songs.
To avoid this thread being turned into a Dave vs Jack vs Matt thread, I'm gonna bump this thread which already gets into this pretty well: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=95437&start=75
(and, no, Matt will stay with PJ)
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I'll move my argument to that thread and leave this one be, sorry.
I don't think Matt is going anywhere.
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I'm sure a Soundgarden reunion will happen, but I think that Cameron is prob contractually obligated to tour in support of Backspacer.
Again, not ruling out splitting time between the two bands....then that starts the thoughts of Pearl Jam+Soundgarden TOUR!?!?! oh man
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He's a bit older, and playing Jesus Christ Pose is just a bit harder than Wishlist..
The band loves Matt. But I think it's like having a really good friend that you don't have the heart to tell you don't want to hang out with anymore. They won't get rid of Matt. But they said in that big RS interview about the upcoming album that the last few albums were loaded with filler that is not very good and that this time around they are making a conscious effort to pick all songs that are good enough to stay in the live set for longer than the tour supporting the album where they're obligated to play it.
As to the person above that mentioned Rival and I Am Mine... yes, the members still would have written the songs. But 1) who knows if they'd have ended up on albums under the dynamic with Jack (they did a pretty good job picking their best songs for No Code and Yield) and 2) the songs would have sounded very, very different. I can hear Jack's style on those songs very clearly in my head... Rival more groovy and less halting and weird, with a bit of an In My Tree vibe, and I Am Mine much more soaring and less dreary and underwhelming, in the vein of Given to Fly. Matt's a great technical drummer, but he's not a very organic one. Jack is, and so was Dave. And the rest of PJ is a very organic live force. They play off each other well.
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Great post bud.
I LOVED what Jack Irons brought to the table. Matt is very technical, Jack and Dave not so much.
I would personally love to hear Dave's aggression in songs like Life Wasted, and World Wide Suicide. Then I can't help but wonder how Riot Act would have sounded if Jack was behind the kit. I also think Jack could have taken Binaural to another level.
The only gripe I have is how the older stuff is played by later drummers, and it's the older stuff that got me into the band. As a drummer it's kinda like someone said that Ed is gonna change the words to all the earlier songs... so love it or leave it.
I love Matt's playing on his stuff, and very much prefer Dave's stuff on the earlier stuff. There's a dramatic difference.
I'll continue this discussion over here so we don't hijack this thread:
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Dave = attention seeker wanted to be in every magazine cover wanted to make videos of every song ....he didn't get what this band was trying to get across in 94 that's why he was asked to leave ....
Jack = Great drummer but mentally was just not into the play in a band atmosphere at all ......
do people here really believe that they know more about who the best drummer for this band is, even if you play drums since 3yrs old you don't know better than Stone & Jeff ...........................
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=95437&start=75
My argument is that Dave A is more talented than Matt, and (since I've played drums sense I was three
Matt just doesn't do the Ten/Vs./Vitalogy songs justice behind the kit. (Slow Even Flow Down!! :evil: ) The same can be said about his "attempt" to play songs like Who You are, and In My Tree.
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*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
It is very possible that Matt plays the songs now exactly how the rest of the band wants him to play them.
I think PJ has given all their drummers latitude to play however they see fit. That explains the huge differences between ALL of them. From Krusen to Chamberlain to Abbruzzese to Irons to Cameron.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
My argument is that Dave A is more talented than Matt, and (since I've played drums sense I was three
Matt just doesn't do the Ten/Vs./Vitalogy songs justice behind the kit. (Slow Even Flow Down!! :evil: ) The same can be said about his "attempt" to play songs like Who You are, and In My Tree.[/quote]
I hear you there... although, to be fair I read in an interview once that Jack had the part to In My Tree since he started playing drums... same with Who You Are....
so I don't care HOW good of a drummer you are, you'll never be able to play the part the same way, with the same feeling, as the guy who has played it all his life. It's part of him, just as Jesus Christ Pose IS a Matt jam... plain and simple!
Ed would've written I am Mine either way... yes
Stone would've written Rival either way... why yes of course.
Do Ed or Stone play the drums on either of those songs?...Well..No, not at all...
It doesnt matter what songs they wrote or how they were written, what matters in this discussion is that Matt plays the drums for those songs and his style of drumming doesnt mix well with the rest of the band...
Stone would've still written rival...yes...would it have been a better song if dave or jack played the drums on it instead of cameron?...Yes.
a good example of this is the old Soundgarden song 'Like Suicide', best drumming i've ever heard from Matt!
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:roll: Shit is old, out a date and no one wants to hear it.
I can't resist.
Matt's the best because my two ears and imagination like him more than the other two.
The whole, i play drums and know dave is technically superior is moot because the same argument has been made by drummer fans about each pj drummer.
Each drummer has their own fans and it's great, but it's silly to think there is an equation or test to solve this endless debate. I luuuuv endless debates.
With all due respect, show me one thing Matt can do that Dave A couldn't.
Did I say I love all of them? Bottom line is the band seems happy with Matt so hopefully we all can.