OMG! is Matt Leaving...?

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  • red mos
    red mos Posts: 4,953
    edited June 2009
    May get reemed for this but whatever: my 2 cents.

    The SG reunion will happen probably next year (2010 wold be the best bet). I say this because Ed stated that they were touring this year with PJ because a member and wife were having a baby. Therefore, leaves a SG reunion tour of shows wide open. However, I see this SG reunion as a chance for people to see SG again (despite the Chris cornell bashing). His new album was awful though, not the best direction to go for him musically. my opinion, but the dance, hip hop route was not in Cornell's favor. Again, my opinion.

    I see this SG reunion as an opportunity for people to see the original line up of SG for those who couldn't didn't, need an SG live fix whatever. The reunion is also going to rake in some SERIOUS cash. It's a definite cash cow because the shows will sell out be it hype or die hard fans.

    Matt could easily do this more than likely one off tour, and continue with pj. Until SG announces a new album and the ultimate comeback like Blink 182 at the Grammys on national television, I wouldn't worry.

    Chris needs to redeem himself musically anyways after that last solo effort. Live he still has something great to offer though.
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  • OceansMagnet
    OceansMagnet Posts: 1,044
    OMG the band is breaking up!! Ed is going solo, Jeff has re-joined Deranged Diction AND is playing in Green River with Stone and Jeff has put out a solo cd. Stone has been doing solo stuff too! I heard Mike got back with Flight to Mars! So if Matt plays with his jazz band and now Soundgarden? I guess that's the final straw?!? Geez.. Does anyone pay attention around here?? The boys Obviously wanna do more than play Betterman and Even Flow for our crazy asses every night for the rest of our lives.. :roll: :roll:
  • Purex37
    Purex37 Posts: 168
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    also, what some of you guys fail to notice is that matt cameron is not a fucking moron.

    there is a LOT more money for him in pearl jam than there will be in any other musical project he partakes in for the rest of his life....combined. he knows this.

    it would be interesting to see pj adjust/grow with/reinvent themselves with a new drummer but matt's a lifer. he's going to the hall of fame with them, he's been their drummer for over half of their existence.....matt cameron is pearl jam.

    Are you kidding... He's still cashing his checks from the Spider-Man song. :lol:

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  • Sleep.With.Innocence
    Sleep.With.Innocence Posts: 607
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    also, what some of you guys fail to notice is that matt cameron is not a fucking moron.

    there is a LOT more money for him in pearl jam than there will be in any other musical project he partakes in for the rest of his life....combined. he knows this.

    it would be interesting to see pj adjust/grow with/reinvent themselves with a new drummer but matt's a lifer. he's going to the hall of fame with them, he's been their drummer for over half of their existence.....matt cameron is pearl jam.

    you'd be stupid to think that there isn't a lo of money in a soundgarden reunion. It's funny how people forget how big they were. How many records did superunkown sell?

    That being said I loved Jack, and pure talent wise neither Jack nor Matt can touch Dave.
  • Stephen Flow
    Stephen Flow Posts: 3,327
    Sleep.With.Innocence wrote:
    pure talent wise neither Jack nor Matt can touch Dave.

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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,218
    soulsinging wrote:
    TM248419 wrote:
    I sure hope so...

    Pre Matt = ten, vs, vitalogy, no code, yield...all great great albums...

    Matt = Binaural - ok experimental disc, zero commercial success
    Riot Act - Meh...LBC, Save you, All or none, a few high points, not a very good overall disc
    Pearl Jam - Yikes

    A new drummer to actually fit the bands sound would be a ok with me.

    Exxactly. There's no denying that trend. Even the band acknowledges it.

    Are you saying that the band acknowledges that since Matt there has been a downward trend? I could be misunderstanding you, but what the hell does 'even the band acknowledges it' mean exactly? TO be honest, i'm not a huge fan of Matts drumming, but anything I've heard from Ed and the other guys leaves me thinking that they think Matt is a drum God.
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  • YieldToNothing
    YieldToNothing Posts: 3,667
    Sleep.With.Innocence wrote:
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    also, what some of you guys fail to notice is that matt cameron is not a fucking moron.

    there is a LOT more money for him in pearl jam than there will be in any other musical project he partakes in for the rest of his life....combined. he knows this.

    it would be interesting to see pj adjust/grow with/reinvent themselves with a new drummer but matt's a lifer. he's going to the hall of fame with them, he's been their drummer for over half of their existence.....matt cameron is pearl jam.

    you'd be stupid to think that there isn't a lo of money in a soundgarden reunion. It's funny how people forget how big they were. How many records did superunkown sell?

    That being said I loved Jack, and pure talent wise neither Jack nor Matt can touch Dave.

    soundgarden reunion tour will have trouble selling 8,000 tickets a night. yea, they were big...nobody really cares anymore.
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  • OceansJenny
    OceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,410
    edited June 2009
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    ...Stone would've written Rival either way, etc.

    Wow, I'm sorry Matt didn't contribute to the greatness that is Rival! :roll: Can we ask Stone to unwrite Rival?
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,469
    OMG matt isn't leaving pearl jam.
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  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Stephen Flow wrote:
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    matt cameron is pearl jam.

    amen to that.


    Then I LOVE "Matt Cameron's" VS and Vitalogy albums most, both of which did not include Matt Cameron on drums.
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  • YieldToNothing
    YieldToNothing Posts: 3,667
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Stephen Flow wrote:
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    matt cameron is pearl jam.

    amen to that.


    Then I LOVE "Matt Cameron's" VS and Vitalogy albums most, both of which did not include Matt Cameron on drums.

    figured someone would misconstrue what i was trying to point out.
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  • Sleep.With.Innocence
    Sleep.With.Innocence Posts: 607
    Stephen Flow wrote:
    Sleep.With.Innocence wrote:
    pure talent wise neither Jack nor Matt can touch Dave.

    davematt.jpg


    Listen to how Dave plays State of Love and Trust on the Unplugged DVD.

    Matt can't touch that.
  • Phantom Pain
    Phantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    Dave A was their best drummer

    Matt can be replaced

    I'm not gonna lose sleep if Matt is leaving or he isnt
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  • OceansJenny
    OceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,410
    Why am I not surprised this turned into a "Who is the best drummer?" discussion AGAIN?!

    But, since we're there:
    Dave: Energy
    Jack: Techical (High)
    Matt: Technical (Mid-high)

    My only complaints about Matt: play In My Tree correctly!
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  • YieldToNothing
    YieldToNothing Posts: 3,667
    i personally prefer jack. i liked the tribal beats and the amount of space he created for the rest of the band.

    that said, matt is clearly the most talented and technically proficient drummer that has ever played with pearl jam. i don't think this can be argued.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,747
    matt leaving?
    cool,,now i can be the new drummer of the band,,,
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  • Sleep.With.Innocence
    Sleep.With.Innocence Posts: 607
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    i personally prefer jack. i liked the tribal beats and the amount of space he created for the rest of the band.

    that said, matt is clearly the most talented and technically proficient drummer that has ever played with pearl jam. i don't think this can be argued.

    You know as someone who plays drums I could argue this point until my face turns blue. :P

    What exactly can Matt do better than Dave? He isn't as fluid in his movements, his feet definitely are NOT better (Again listen to his calf go crazy on State of Love and Trust) He can't play faster (Listen to any live Porch)

    Is it maybe because of his Jazz technique? That's the only thing I could think of that might put Matt higher than Dave, because based on pure talent, the argument isn't even close.

    And sorry Jenny, I've never argued this (I'm still a newbie here)

    And I don't like the way Matt plays who you are either. And for that matter the way Jack played Given to Fly on SVT was amazing. Matt doesn't do that either.. :(

    That being said I still love Matt as a drummer, and I love Jack to. Just as a drummer I know how difficult it is to mimic Dave's style.
  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    edited June 2009
    Sleep.With.Innocence wrote:
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    i personally prefer jack. i liked the tribal beats and the amount of space he created for the rest of the band.

    that said, matt is clearly the most talented and technically proficient drummer that has ever played with pearl jam. i don't think this can be argued.

    You know as someone who plays drums I could argue this point until my face turns blue. :P

    What exactly can Matt do better than Dave? He isn't as fluid in his movements, his feet definitely are NOT better (Again listen to his calf go crazy on State of Love and Trust) He can't play faster (Listen to any live Porch)

    Is it maybe because of his Jazz technique? That's the only thing I could think of that might put Matt higher than Dave, because based on pure talent, the argument isn't even close.

    And sorry Jenny, I've never argued this (I'm still a newbie here)

    And I don't like the way Matt plays who you are either. And for that matter the way Jack played Given to Fly on SVT was amazing. Matt doesn't do that either.. :(

    That being said I still love Matt as a drummer, and I love Jack to. Just as a drummer I know how difficult it is to mimic Dave's style.




    Well put.

    I'm a drummer too. Is that you in your avatar? How long have you been playing? I used to cover PJ in 1992 on drums, and when they switched drummers in '95, the change was really, really sad.


    I love what Dave brought to the table, and has never been out-done.

    Jack, while sloppy live and on early material had his own, what I call "bohemian" style. It worked on his songs.

    Matt Cameron deserves mad respect. The material he's written with the band has been great, but his performance on tons of early material is dry and boring. ...but again, mad respect on his own songs.


    To avoid this thread being turned into a Dave vs Jack vs Matt thread, I'm gonna bump this thread which already gets into this pretty well: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=95437&start=75


    (and, no, Matt will stay with PJ)
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  • Sleep.With.Innocence
    Sleep.With.Innocence Posts: 607
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Sleep.With.Innocence wrote:
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    i personally prefer jack. i liked the tribal beats and the amount of space he created for the rest of the band.

    that said, matt is clearly the most talented and technically proficient drummer that has ever played with pearl jam. i don't think this can be argued.

    You know as someone who plays drums I could argue this point until my face turns blue. :P

    What exactly can Matt do better than Dave? He isn't as fluid in his movements, his feet definitely are NOT better (Again listen to his calf go crazy on State of Love and Trust) He can't play faster (Listen to any live Porch)

    Is it maybe because of his Jazz technique? That's the only thing I could think of that might put Matt higher than Dave, because based on pure talent, the argument isn't even close.

    And sorry Jenny, I've never argued this (I'm still a newbie here)

    And I don't like the way Matt plays who you are either. And for that matter the way Jack played Given to Fly on SVT was amazing. Matt doesn't do that either.. :(

    That being said I still love Matt as a drummer, and I love Jack to. Just as a drummer I know how difficult it is to mimic Dave's style.




    Well put.

    I'm a drummer too. Is that you in your avatar? How long have you been playing?


    I love what Dave brought to the table, and has never been out-done.

    Jack, while sloppy live and on early material had his own, what I call "bohemian" style. It worked on his songs.

    Matt Cameron deserves mad respect. The material he's written with the band has been great, but his performance on tons of early material is dry and boring. ...but again, mad respect on his own songs.


    To avoid this thread being turned into a Dave vs Jack vs Matt thread, I'm gonna bump this thread which already gets into this pretty well: http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.ph ... 7&start=75


    (and, no, Matt will stay with PJ)

    Yes that's me in the aviator. I've been playing drums for six years (as long as I've listened to Pearl Jam) :)

    I'll move my argument to that thread and leave this one be, sorry.

    I don't think Matt is going anywhere.
  • Sleep.With.Innocence
    Sleep.With.Innocence Posts: 607
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Stephen Flow wrote:
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    matt cameron is pearl jam.

    amen to that.


    Then I LOVE "Matt Cameron's" VS and Vitalogy albums most, both of which did not include Matt Cameron on drums.

    +1

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