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Mamasan or Momma-Son

Dark StarDark Star Posts: 496
edited June 2009 in The Porch
This was probably already discussed and the thread will drop like a led zeppelin, but...

What the F man?? All these years that tape was referred to as Mamasan, and with the re-issue we finally learn that it's called Momma-Son. What diehard PJ fan dropped the ball on this one!!! :D With the name Mamasan trilogy, I never even made the realization of the Mother-Son thing. I just thought it was some weird word. Who in their right mind spells momma as mama?

Anyone know who dropped the ball on this? Was it demitrios?
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  • Spark28Spark28 Posts: 64
    Go back and listen to Zurich '92. Many of us have known that for a very long time.
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 95,224
    Dark Star wrote:
    Anyone know who dropped the ball on this? Was it demitrios?

    might of been me! :oops:
    :lol:
  • Dark StarDark Star Posts: 496
    Spark28 wrote:
    Go back and listen to Zurich '92. Many of us have known that for a very long time.


    I don't have that show dude... do you mind indulging me? :)
  • justamjustam Posts: 21,415
    If you listen to how words sound, as well as to how they look, you won't be confused by things like this.
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  • Spark28Spark28 Posts: 64
    First time they played the trilogy live. Ed explained that it was a story of incest and murder. The third part (Footsteps) takes place in a jail cell.

    It's a great show with a couple of really great improvs. I'm sure it can be found in the usual places.
  • Dark StarDark Star Posts: 496
    justam wrote:
    If you listen to how words sound, as well as to how they look, you won't be confused by things like this.

    I knew I should of tried hooked on phonics as a kid, or atleast studied Latin in high school..... ;)
  • justamjustam Posts: 21,415
    Dark Star wrote:
    justam wrote:
    If you listen to how words sound, as well as to how they look, you won't be confused by things like this.

    I knew I should of tried hooked on phonics as a kid, or atleast studied Latin in high school..... ;)
    :D
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  • Dark StarDark Star Posts: 496
    edited August 2011
    This thread wasnt intented to show my stupidity, lol, it was to see if anyone knew why we called it Mamason instead of Momma-Son. I guess the person who originally leaked the songs wanted to switch things up a bit.


    Also, if you look at the actual Momma-Son tape from the latest Deep magazine, you can see that the artwork is different than what we got... Also, you can see that Ed called himself "CRAZY EDDIE" and that his song "Homeless" was included on the tape.
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  • justamjustam Posts: 21,415
    I wasn't trying to make you feel stupid. I was actually trying to say that sometimes people just spell things in an unusual way to be creative, as a way to make the sounds stand out as opposed to correct spelling.
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  • Dark StarDark Star Posts: 496
    justam wrote:
    I wasn't trying to make you feel stupid. I was actually trying to say that sometimes people just spell things in an unusual way to be creative, as a way to make the sounds stand out as opposed to correct spelling.

    justam, no offense taken at all brother. You were exactly right, I should of figured that out long ago.
  • Dark StarDark Star Posts: 496
    Ok, you guys were a little too slow in finding the answer so I took it upon myself to find it....

    But the real treasure in this show is the first appearance of "the trilogy" (and titled by Ed, reason unknown, as 'Mamasan'):


    It turns out to be some prick by the name of Ed who dropped the ball..... It wasn't demetrios afterall.


    EDIT: Wait.... Mamasan???? I'm going to bed.....
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 95,224
    Dark Star wrote:
    It turns out to be some prick by the name of Ed who dropped the ball..... It wasn't demetrios afterall.

    ed almost turned me in! :o
    now he owe's me a beer the next time i see him in person! ;)
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 95,224
    Dark Star wrote:
    EDIT: Wait.... Mamasan???? I'm going to bed.....

    :lol: already going to bed? i was gonna break out some rare video clips of this mamasan thing you've got us involved in! :|
  • Dark StarDark Star Posts: 496
    Yeh Demetrios, this whole Mamasan thing really has my panties up in a bunch... and I'm a guy....

    I even titled the thread wrong... comparing Mamasan to Momma-Son would of made this a more effective thread.

    Post away D!!
  • Dark StarDark Star Posts: 496
    Hey Spark... thanks for the PM, your too nice man, haha, It's all good. But now should I have still known Mamasan meant Momma-Son? Mamasan is a weird little word, Latin wouldn't of even helped me there. :D

    Mama doesn't equal Momma and San doesn't equal Son... ummm, I'm just gonna drop it... Ed's a dick.. :lol:


    JK Eddie, if you're reading this post (which you probably are.)
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Spark28 wrote:
    listen to Zurich '92.


    first boot....i think i paid $40 :D
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 95,224
    norm wrote:
    Spark28 wrote:
    listen to Zurich '92.


    first boot....i think i paid $40 :D

    no way! i paid $35 bucks cdn at my local taz records for that bootleg! :shock:
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    demetrios wrote:
    norm wrote:
    Spark28 wrote:
    listen to Zurich '92.


    first boot....i think i paid $40 :D

    no way! i paid $35 bucks cdn at my local taz records for that bootleg! :shock:

    in 1992?
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 95,224
    norm wrote:
    demetrios wrote:
    norm wrote:


    first boot....i think i paid $40 :D

    no way! i paid $35 bucks cdn at my local taz records for that bootleg! :shock:

    in 1992?

    first cd bootleg i bought was in 93/94 when i was in high school. i was in the cassette trading @ school & at the local record stores fan communities

    taz records here had them for sale at 35 bucks a pop, cash, no tax added on these. vhs tapes were 40 bucks a pop!
  • Thorns2010Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama-san

    There, happy now?
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    demetrios wrote:
    first cd bootleg i bought was in 93/94 when i was in high school. i was in the cassette trading @ school & at the local record stores fan communities

    taz records here had them for sale at 35 bucks a pop, cash, no tax added on these. vhs tapes were 40 bucks a pop!


    i can't remember if i bought it in 92 or 3....it could have been $35....i know most boots weren't less than that though....good times :D
  • Dark StarDark Star Posts: 496
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama-san

    There, happy now?


    "Mamasan (sometimes abbreviated MMS) is also used in United States to refer to the woman managing the staff of Asian massage parlors."




    I'm extatic. My favorite trilogy is named after a rub and tug parlor... :?
  • Thorns2010Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    Dark Star wrote:
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama-san

    There, happy now?


    "Mamasan (sometimes abbreviated MMS) is also used in United States to refer to the woman managing the staff of Asian massage parlors."




    I'm extatic. My favorite trilogy is named after a rub and tug parlor... :?

    Or you know.....prostitutes, who you know, the dude killed in Once and was in jail because of in Footsteps.
  • Child Of The 90sChild Of The 90s Posts: 526
    I've always interpreted Mamasan to be Momma-Son. I've never really found it that confusing, and to be honest, I don't think that asian massage parlour double meaning is too far fetched - It's always reminded me of how the Japanese sometimes put 'san' at the end of a name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_honorifics)

    You can read about the trillogy here:

    http://www.fivehorizons.com/songs/dec99/index.shtml

    The Zurich trillogy is also there in mp3 format.
  • Dark StarDark Star Posts: 496
    Child Of The 90s wrote:
    I've always interpreted Mamasan to be Momma-Son. I've never really found it that confusing, and to be honest, I don't think that asian massage parlour double meaning is too far fetched - It's always reminded me of how the Japanese sometimes put 'san' at the end of a name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_honorifics)

    You can read about the trillogy here:

    http://www.fivehorizons.com/songs/dec99/index.shtml

    The Zurich trillogy is also there in mp3 format.

    Thanks! I found this from that Cameron Crow Rolling Stone interview. PJ must of just recently changed the name for the deluxe package. Case solved. Also, I agree that the double meaning was purposely used by Ed.

    Vedder raced back to the Mission Beach apartment of his longtime girlfriend, Beth Liebling. Working from yellow Post-it pads lifted from his job, Vedder taped himself singing over three of the instrumentals. Together the three songs told a story, as Vedder recalls today, "based on things that had happened, and some I imagined." The "mini opera" tape was carefully designed by Vedder, the graphics Xeroxed at work and the package entitled "Mamasan."

    Sitting in his apartment in Seattle, Ament listened to the tape three times and picked up a phone. "Stone," he said, "you better get over here."

    By the time Vedder arrived in Seattle, he'd already written "Black."


    Now I'm more interested in knowing what other Crazy Eddie songs were on the original tape besides 'Homeless'. 'Believe You Me'? 'Just a Book' is my favorite Crazy Eddie song.
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 95,224
    norm wrote:
    demetrios wrote:
    first cd bootleg i bought was in 93/94 when i was in high school. i was in the cassette trading @ school & at the local record stores fan communities

    taz records here had them for sale at 35 bucks a pop, cash, no tax added on these. vhs tapes were 40 bucks a pop!


    i can't remember if i bought it in 92 or 3....it could have been $35....i know most boots weren't less than that though....good times :D

    good time's indeed. kts (kiss the stone) & oxygen records were my favorite pressed pearl jam bootlegs those day's. their inlay booklet's, quality of artwork's & show's were sweet! are they even around today? last time i bought a silver cd unofficial bootleg was back in '98, before i got plugged into the matrix.
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