President Obama - How is he doing so far?

The Rock wrote:

Is he doing well? Does he seem to be taking the right steps? Has he done anything wrong and stupid so far?

Well he has put us into debt 4 times deeper than Bush did in his 8 years, and still wants more. What is it going to take for people to wake up and see that the bailouts do not work! For proof look at the bailouts that has already been handed out, nothing good has come from them. I say it over and over again but I guess people are just blinded by his rhetoric. I would love it if just one person could show me economically how borrowing money we don't have, and can't pay back, is going to help us get out of debt and this depression.

It really makes me lose hope in the people of this country. Idiocracy is coming sooner than we expected.

evenflow wrote:

The Rock wrote:

Is he doing well? Does he seem to be taking the right steps? Has he done anything wrong and stupid so far?

Well he has put us into debt 4 times deeper than Bush did in his 8 years, and still wants more. What is it going to take for people to wake up and see that the bailouts do not work! For proof look at the bailouts that has already been handed out, nothing good has come from them. I say it over and over again but I guess people are just blinded by his rhetoric. I would love it if just one person could show me economically how borrowing money we don't have, and can't pay back, is going to help us get out of debt and this depression.

It really makes me lose hope in the people of this country. Idiocracy is coming sooner than we expected.

um, this country has run on a debt for many years...something the clowns that whine about Obama's budget tend to forget or ignore, your choice, is that he's included the costs of the two wars he has inherited...

and you mention rhetoric...I find it ironic that you complain of rhetoric when your rant is nothing but....

Jasunmark wrote:

they didn't seem to know what it was about, either..

The only people that don't seem to know what they were about is people who use the Daily Show or MSNBC as their only news source. Their big idea and major point of the tea parties was to protest the governments uncontrolled and unregulated spending.

Jasunmark wrote:

Most people, sadly, don't even "get" the "bailouts" and don't realize that those weren't gifts.. those were loans.. we're getting that money back. Unlike the war, it's not just money flushed down the toilet, it's money that if it WASN'T given, would have lead America down a path leading to total collapse. Had those companies actually gone under the country would have been in a MUCH worse place than we're in. But some people are too busy listening to the made-up garbage on Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck to notice that.

Check the facts, the bailouts were sold to public as "loans" but were changed right before they were voted on. Now the idea is that the company's accepting the bailout money are being controlled by the government. Take GM (Government Motors) and the Bank of America as examples. And it doesn't even matter if they still were considered loans - how are the company's going to pay them back if after they received all this federal money they still file for Bankruptcy.

Look at the crap hole that is Chrysler. We gave them over a hundred million dollars to help save them and keep American jobs. As soon as the money went through and the company was now worth the amount that we as tax payers are going to ultimately be responsible for, they up and sold to Fiat. And now Fiat has announced that they are going to close American plants and begin manufacturing in other countries, including Mexico.

So we just gave them a bunch of money basically to get rid of thousands of American jobs.
Smooth move.

evenflow wrote:

The only people that don't seem to know what they were about is people who use the Daily Show or MSNBC as their only news source. Their big idea and major point of the tea parties was to protest the governments uncontrolled and unregulated spending.

Uh huh.

that's why there were all those people carrying around those stuffed monkeys. If you want to believe those were about anything but anger from the right wing that their big bag of bullshit isn't being bought anymore, you're welcome to it.

Yes.. the bailout has seen failures. Nobody is going to be arguing with that. But it's a fuck of a lot better than what was planned by the right wing whose only ideas were "tax cuts" and "deregulate." Oh, and lots of kvetching about how the "liberal hippies" have no "common sense." (and carrying around stuffed monkeys)

Jasunmark wrote:

If you want to believe those were about anything but anger from the right wing that their big bag of bullshit isn't being bought anymore, you're welcome to it.

You're right about the emotion being anger, but it has nothing to do with animosity towards the election results. Anytime anybody disagrees with the current administration they always have some BS reason to avoid answering it instead of addressing the issues the protesters are bringing up. The way the liberal news reported on the tea parties bordered on fiction, completely skirting the points brought up during them. That's of course if they even covered them at all. I noticed the next day on two different news channels they spent less than 60 seconds talking about the tea parties and then both instantly went to a four minute and three and a half minute report respectively about Obama's new dog. Whether you agree with why the rallies were happening or not, the fact that major news organizations chose to basically ignore their existence, whenever every single major city in the US had its own version, with a decent turnout, proves that media bias does exist. Of course even the few that did report on them downplayed the event, either by not reporting the true numbers of participants, or by not explaining the unifying reasons why so many hard working, job holding Americans took a day off of work to voice their concerns.

Contrary to what Pelosi and the media reported, the tea party's were not about jealousy from losing the election, or unrelenting hatred against all things Democratic, or even (a Pelosi and Barney Frank favorite) racism towards a black President. They were about the outrageous and unregulated spending that the current administration and Congress keep pushing through. There were other issues as well, including the ever increasing personal intrusion of "big Brother" government and the attack on the biggest factor of America's past world domination; capitalism. As a participant in one, and communicating with others across the country, these topics were the focus of every gathering, especially all of the major ones. If you didn't personally attend one, or at least talked to someone who did, and all you know about them is from the 60 second news blurb, sandwiched between the weather report and the sports review, then you really have no leg to stand on in this debate.

It all boils down to this: if the Obama administration and the Democrat controlled House and Senate pass all of the bailouts and incentive spending packages they have announced, then this country as we know it is done. The dollar amount that Obama has proposed is mathematically impossible to recover from. You do realize that there is not enough money in circulation on this planet to cover what he wants to spend. Global inflation would rise beyond anything that this world, let alone this country, has ever seen. As a matter of fact, if the next four plans he is pushing goes through overnight more than three quarters of this country would drop below the poverty line before the ink could dry on his signature. This isn’t some doomsday, perfect storm scenario; this is a mathematically financial reality. Does it make me racist for pointing this out (still no question mark button).

Jasunmark wrote:

Yes.. the bailout has seen failures. Nobody is going to be arguing with that. But it's a fuck of a lot better than what was planned by the right wing whose only ideas were "tax cuts" and "deregulate."

There is no doubt that Bush left us in a shithole, but it’s time for Obama to stand up and take some responsibility. George W. is gone and he’s not coming back, quit making excuses and get shit done (I’m talking about Obama, not Jasunmark, you’ve got your own stuff to worry about).What Obama has done is in no way

Jasunmark wrote:

a fuck of a lot better than what was planned by the right wing whose only ideas were "tax cuts" and "deregulate."

In fact, what Obama has done is quite possibly the worst thing he could have done. It’s a good thing Obama has a team of people working for him, because if ran his personal finances like he is running the nations, he would be filing for bankruptcy. I know the Democrats don’t want to hear this, but cutting taxes and deregulation on businesses is exactly what this country needs in times like these. “But that’s what we had the last eight years, and we have to move away from every single failed policy from the past”. I can hear it now, with the same inflection that he’s used every time he’s talked about bringing forth his “hope and change”. The truth is that tax cuts and deregulation are not failed policies of the past; in fact they were pretty much the only policies that were successful. It is a tested, proven and basic macro economical fact: a country cannot tax itself out of a recession or depression. Do the math, it will never work. However this is the great hope and change solution that Obama is sticking by and pushing forth with all of his might. The truth is, sitting back and doing nothing is a better plan than what we are doing. It’s as if the country fell into a hole and Obama decides that he wants us to start digging deeper to try and get us out because, “we can’t just sit still and do nothing”.

It’s really late, and I need to go to bed before I start making more and more mistakes. Before I go though I do want to say, even though you might not pick it up from my arguments I’ve laid out here, I am not now nor have I ever been a Republican. I’m a registered Independent. As a matter of fact I attended the Vote for Change shows during the previous elections. I ‘m also not sure McCain would have done any better, it’s just that I don’t believe Obama has done the great job that so many others think he has. I honestly believe he is going to take this country into way deeper problems then even Bush would have. To me it’s a no win situation no matter which way you lean.

More importantly, Peace Out!

Jasunmark wrote:

you of course, are welcome to your opinion.

I still think it's a big bag of bullshit.

go do the math and you will see evenflow is right.

prfctlefts wrote:

Jasunmark wrote:

you of course, are welcome to your opinion.

I still think it's a big bag of bullshit.

go do the math and you will see evenflow is right.

Oh look.. I know that there's a lot of things that aren't going to work about the bailout, but this ridiculous Doomsday scenario where we can't afford bread and we're all speaking Arabic is just more Glenn Beck nonsense.

So is this whole "You're a liberal Democrat" because I can see how fixing the errors from the last 8 or so years is going to take some very drastic measures. Many of the bailed out companies aren't going to survive. I know that.

But I also know that pretending that things would and even COULD have been better with John McCain or just about anyone else running the show is pretty much like pretending that "George Bush kept us safe." Don't think I'm just blindly saying all is cool. I'm sure not happy with the new, rather unconstitutional "Prolonged detention" that he's proposed. Nor am I happy that DADT hasn't been thrown on the garbage heap it belongs on.

But for the most part, I'm still on side.

I give him a D-. He only gets that because he is continuing the fight in Afghanistan.

His appointments are shit. Eric Holder is trying to take away Constitutional Rights. He supports amnesty for illegal aliens, he put us into debt that will probably never be paid for. Plus he is a Chicago Dem, the most crooked city in the nation.