Binaural Remastered??

youngsteryoungster Boston Posts: 6,576
edited April 2009 in The Porch
Since they announced the re-release of the catalog, a lot of people have been talking about remastering Binaural. I don't get it. First off the album is only 9 years old. Second, Tchad Blake only mixed the following tracks:

Nothing as it Seems, Of the Girl, Rival, Sleight of Hand, Soon Forget.

Breakerfall, God's Dice, Evacuation, Light Years, Thin Air, Insignificance, Grievance, and Parting Ways were mixed by Brendan O'Brien. I figure he had his hand in it more than Tchad on the mixing part and it shows.

I will admit I absolutely hated this record when it first came out but the more I hear it now, the more I love it. I just hope that on the later albums they don't try and remaster every song. Just maybe add a few extra songs and a DVD or Live show on vinyl or something. Ten is the exception but I think all the others sound great.
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  • hitmanhitman Posts: 469
    don't confuse remixing with re-mastering...

    think of it like this....

    if you were to re-mix a cake, you'd take all the ingredients and change the proportions of each (2 cups of flour instead of 1, etc.)

    if you were to re-master a cake, you'd take the existing cake and put it on a really nice new plate, maybe touch up the frosting. same cake, just looks better and more appealing.

    the remix process in music would be to take the pre-exisitng tracks and reset all the levels,panning, effects, etc.

    re-mastering basically just re-sets (re: increases) the apparent volume and compression on an existing mix...

    recorded music has changed a lot over the last 10 years.... unfortunately, a lot of it has to do with over-use of compression to make everything louder.

    thus endeth the lesson. : )
  • Thorns2010Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    I actually really like that explanation of the 2!

    You aren't by chance....what was is Strat '62 from the old board are you?
  • hitmanhitman Posts: 469
    nope... i'm a long time PJ fan, been with the club for a long while, but just recently got into the message board thing... it's fun, it helps pass the time before march 24th!!! : )
  • Thorns2010Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    Ok, just wondering, I've been wondering whatever happened to that guy, I haven't seen him in a good couple years, but I remember he was in a band, and I believe your avatar is of yourself right? So I jumped at the conclusion! :mrgreen:

    Anyway, its nice to see some more Minneapolis people represented here! I swear there aren't enough of us here!
  • hitmanhitman Posts: 469
    yup, that's me over there alright... that pic was taken at the fineline.

    good to "meet" you too... cheers!
  • youngsteryoungster Boston Posts: 6,576
    BH71937 wrote:
    don't confuse remixing with re-mastering...

    think of it like this....

    if you were to re-mix a cake, you'd take all the ingredients and change the proportions of each (2 cups of flour instead of 1, etc.)

    if you were to re-master a cake, you'd take the existing cake and put it on a really nice new plate, maybe touch up the frosting. same cake, just looks better and more appealing.

    the remix process in music would be to take the pre-exisitng tracks and reset all the levels,panning, effects, etc.

    re-mastering basically just re-sets (re: increases) the apparent volume and compression on an existing mix...

    recorded music has changed a lot over the last 10 years.... unfortunately, a lot of it has to do with over-use of compression to make everything louder.

    thus endeth the lesson. : )

    hey, thanks for the tutorial. I honestly wasn't positive of the differences. Good to know.
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  • hitmanhitman Posts: 469
    no problem. i'm kind of a nerd. ; )
  • Binaural is my mutha fuckn shizz-nit........i sooooo long to hear of a girl and soh live!!

    Binaural gets much love and stays in heavy rotation round these parts!
  • Thorns2010 wrote:
    Ok, just wondering, I've been wondering whatever happened to that guy, I haven't seen him in a good couple years, but I remember he was in a band, and I believe your avatar is of yourself right? So I jumped at the conclusion! :mrgreen:

    Anyway, its nice to see some more Minneapolis people represented here! I swear there aren't enough of us here!

    Strat was banned from the board. He used to live in Minneapolis but moved to Colorado. Not sure if he wants me telling people this but it's pretty general information. He is missed greatly here.
    No longer overwhelmed it seems so simple now.
  • hitmanhitman Posts: 469
    why was he banned? any clue? just curious....
  • given2fly23given2fly23 Evanston, IL Posts: 5,987
    They should bring Tchad Blake in to re-mix the BO'B tracks. I love the sound on the Blake tracks. for those who dont, try it with headphones.
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  • I would like this. The songs deserve to shine. Especially Rival.....and Breakerfall......and Of the Girl......and Evacuation might sound cooler too. I'm content with the other records but most likely will get the remasters for the goodies if it comes with any.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    I am a bit curious about this whole process... I can see Ten needing to be remixed and remastered, but from vs on... is it really necessary? Seems kind of odd to me.
  • hitmanhitman Posts: 469
    well, my guess is they'll just re-master from vs. on... seems pretty redundant to have B O'B remix stuff he already mixed in the first place... i can see them just remastering to "modernize" the volume levels and add whatever they have in the vault as bonus tracks...
  • dreamweaverdreamweaver New York Posts: 728
    they all could be remixed and remastered.. there's alot of mixing in general on PJ records. Vs. may be one exception..
    Meadowlands, MSG 1, MSG 2 - '98
    Jones Beach NY 1 + 3 - '00
    MSG 1 + 2 - '03
    Boston Garden - '04
    Montreal - '05
    Boston Garden 1, Meadowlands 1 + 2 - '06
    Mansfield 1 - '08
    (EV solo) Boston 1 - '08
    Chicago 1 - '09
    MSG -'10
    Brooklyn 1+2 - '13
    Central Park - '15
    MSG - '16
    Fenway - '16
    Wrigley - '16
    (RRHOF) Brooklyn - '17
    Fenway - '18
    MSG - '22
    MSG 1 - '24
  • BH71937 wrote:
    why was he banned? any clue? just curious....

    Various reasons. :)
    No longer overwhelmed it seems so simple now.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    BH71937 wrote:
    well, my guess is they'll just re-master from vs. on... seems pretty redundant to have B O'B remix stuff he already mixed in the first place... i can see them just remastering to "modernize" the volume levels and add whatever they have in the vault as bonus tracks...

    Modernizing volume sounds ominous to me. Vs- no Code sound great as they are. We're not talking about old CCR albums or anything. New albums give me headaches!
  • hitmanhitman Posts: 469
    edited February 2009
    yield in hiding:

    like... he cyber-stalked and molested somebody from the board? or just tried to incite arguments all the time? or did he offer to sell bootlegs or something?
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  • hitmanhitman Posts: 469
    soul-singing:

    i hear you on the headaches issue.... unfortunately, it is difficult to go back now.... the volume levels has grown in small increments, bands want their new cd's to "compete" volume wise with the new Tool record or whatever and dynamics suffer as a result.
  • BH71937 wrote:
    well, my guess is they'll just re-master from vs. on... seems pretty redundant to have B O'B remix stuff he already mixed in the first place... i can see them just remastering to "modernize" the volume levels...

    Which I absolutely HATE! :x :evil:

    Louder doesn't always equal better especially when it compromises the dynamics of the music. :(
  • To me it sounds like most of the tracks on Lost Dogs from the Vs. era, for example, sound like they were remixed prior to release. Take Alone and Hard To Imagine. Compare them to the previously released versions and the Vs. album. It sounds like they EQ'd the drums to get a sound more comparable to what they prefer today (Binaural on). So I could see them doing something like this for Vs. or Vitalogy, if only less extreme.
  • This used to my least liked PJ album but i got the vinyl in 07 through a deal with a fellow poter and now I love it.

    The vinyl makes the difference, although a 180 gram pressing wouldn't go a miss.

    CD remasters just seem to be a excuse to make the mix louder, The loudness of CD's is ridiculous now, don't the record companies think we've got a volume control.

    Noted sound engineers have already commented that the loudness doesn't necessarily equate to better quality.

    To think some people think CD is better than vinyl because it's louder.

    A 180 of Vs & Yield are the real prize for me though.
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    I would be happy if they just re mastered the analogue tracks onto vinyl. Anyone have any idea if they still record to tape?

    *EDIT Just read the billboard article... looks like they are recording to tape this time.
  • SolarWorld wrote:
    I would be happy if they just re mastered the analogue tracks onto vinyl. Anyone have any idea if they still record to tape?

    *EDIT Just read the billboard article... looks like they are recording to tape this time.

    Yeah remastering the analogue tapes for vinyl would be best, great news if they are recording to tape.

    I'd love to see them take a new direction, I don't think they've copied any previous album the difference in each album has been more subtle than say Joshua Tree to Achtung Baby, I'd love to see them experiment a bit more like they did in the 90's.

    Inside Job showed them going down a Floydy type vibe, I think it's time they made more of a jump with their development not as subtle as usual and I think the new album should see a more seismic shift than usual.

    I enjoyed the last album loads but a track like Come Back I could have done without, I'd just like to see more of an evolution this time.
  • dustinparduedustinpardue Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,829
    Binaural is a great record, but the mastering of it definitely needs to be revisited. It helps to set your ipod EQ to different levels for different songs so they don't crackle in your speakers when listening to them at the "appropriate level" as Garth would say. If any record needs to be remastered, it is that one.
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  • Binaural is a great record, but the mastering of it definitely needs to be revisited. It helps to set your ipod EQ to different levels for different songs so they don't crackle in your speakers when listening to them at the "appropriate level" as Garth would say. If any record needs to be remastered, it is that one.

    Doesn't the self-titled album crackle for you as well?
  • jmkjmk Posts: 425
    SolarWorld wrote:
    I would be happy if they just re mastered the analogue tracks onto vinyl. Anyone have any idea if they still record to tape?

    *EDIT Just read the billboard article... looks like they are recording to tape this time.

    Yeah remastering the analogue tapes for vinyl would be best, great news if they are recording to tape.

    A bit suspicious about the "put to tape"-phrase about the recording of the new album,...

    If you mean this article: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/pea ... 9154.story

    "After laying down some instrumental beds last summer, additional demos were put to tape in December, and the band's non-singing members formulated another batch of material during a recent trip to Montana".

    I don't know who the writer quotes about putting demos to tape, but I have a feeling that they might use some sort of tape machines to put demos on, but when they actually record the tracks for the new album I believe they record it digitally :( . "Putting to tape" might also just be an expression of recording music, may it be to analog tape or digital recording.

    I remember some discussion about Binaural being the last record they recorded in the old analog ways? or something like that, and that it is the last to benefit truly of a vinyl release to a cd. Can someone put a link to this thread?

    I think vinyl sounds better due to warmth, dynamic range and the whole vinyl experience even though the recordings are digital.

    Can only think of The White Stripes, The Raconteurs, the Black Keys and their singer/guitarist Dan Auerbach's solo record being recorded on analog tape what comes to newer releases. Yes and Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminal album Lifeline: “The record, entitled Lifeline, was recorded and mixed in 7 days on a 16 track analog tape machine. There were no computers or pro-tools used anywhere in the process.” - Ben Harper
    They recorded it live in a studio in Paris and he proved that you don't need pro-tools to make great music nowadays.

    I don't know if Pearl Jam uses pro-tools and since when? Maybe they started after Binaural?
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  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    I remember Stone saying in a radio interview...shit must have been 2005?...that the band does not use pro-tools in their recording.

    The gatefold (ha ha vinyl) of Lost Dogs shows rows upon rows of tapes on the shelf(dating 1990-2004) so I'd say it's safe to assume that every Pearl Jam album thus far has been recorded to tape.

    At the very least all of their vinyl has been cut from an annalog source. Thank Christ!! the vinyl would be useless if taken from a digital transfer.

    Ye Gods!! Imagine Vitalogy" "No Code", or "Binuaral" being cut from a digital source? that shit would sound absolutle vile!!
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,431
    Newer bands(PJ, Tool) will record to tape, then do all the editing on somethin like pro tools. You can definitely tell as those bands have a very old school sound on vinyl. In some of Lateralus' quieter moments, me and an old friend are pretty sure you can hear the hiss of the tape machine.
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