Anyone see Jon Stewarts reaction to Obama's war plan?

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  • Motha Judson
    Motha Judson Posts: 104
    I know its Wiki, and its not 100% always accurate, but they give a pretty good run down of what I'm talking about if you read the whole thing....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Show

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_O%27Reilly_Factor
  • Jimmydean55
    Jimmydean55 Posts: 1,584
    prfctlefts wrote:

    O'Reilly is an independent


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Jimmydean55 wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:

    O'Reilly is an independent


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    you're only laughing at your own ignorance O'Reilly has never endorsed any political candidate and said many times he would vote for who he thinks is best for the country be it a democrat or republican leading up to the election last year. :D
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Motha Judson wrote:
    Heres a small click I just youtubed, I don't know who this Frank guy is, but the clips from Jon and Bill speak for themselves.

    They both have their own way of doing it, but its pretty clear that their interviews are designed to skew the truth in favor of their side of the political spectrum.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx4FowV_V6A

    Hope this is enough, but I some how doubt it.

    Just another O'Reilly hater. It;s interesting though this frank guy only showed like a minute of bill and several of stewert. Sure is funny how he named his show after bill's :roll: When you say skew the truth what exactly do you mean? If he was making stuff up all the time do you really think over 2 million people would watch his show night after night?
  • Motha Judson
    Motha Judson Posts: 104
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Motha Judson wrote:
    Heres a small click I just youtubed, I don't know who this Frank guy is, but the clips from Jon and Bill speak for themselves.

    They both have their own way of doing it, but its pretty clear that their interviews are designed to skew the truth in favor of their side of the political spectrum.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx4FowV_V6A

    Hope this is enough, but I some how doubt it.

    Just another O'Reilly hater. It;s interesting though this frank guy only showed like a minute of bill and several of stewert. Sure is funny how he named his show after bill's :roll: When you say skew the truth what exactly do you mean? If he was making stuff up all the time do you really think over 2 million people would watch his show night after night?

    What I'm trying to say is that BOTH Bill and Jon try to push and connect the issue to a point they are trying to make. Instead of just interviewing someone, they both like to jump to conclusions and trap the person into saying something that proves their point of view. Thats not interviewing, what a truly unbiased interviewer would do is ask questions and let the facts speak for themselves, not contort the truth into their agenda.

    I think obvious there is a liberal agenda with Jon and a conservative agenda with Bill.

    But then again, thats just my opinion...what do I know.
  • CB206820
    CB206820 Posts: 105
    Motha Judson wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Motha Judson wrote:
    Heres a small click I just youtubed, I don't know who this Frank guy is, but the clips from Jon and Bill speak for themselves.

    They both have their own way of doing it, but its pretty clear that their interviews are designed to skew the truth in favor of their side of the political spectrum.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx4FowV_V6A

    Hope this is enough, but I some how doubt it.

    Just another O'Reilly hater. It;s interesting though this frank guy only showed like a minute of bill and several of stewert. Sure is funny how he named his show after bill's :roll: When you say skew the truth what exactly do you mean? If he was making stuff up all the time do you really think over 2 million people would watch his show night after night?

    What I'm trying to say is that BOTH Bill and Jon try to push and connect the issue to a point they are trying to make. Instead of just interviewing someone, they both like to jump to conclusions and trap the person into saying something that proves their point of view. Thats not interviewing, what a truly unbiased interviewer would do is ask questions and let the facts speak for themselves, not contort the truth into their agenda.

    I think obvious there is a liberal agenda with Jon and a conservative agenda with Bill.

    But then again, thats just my opinion...what do I know.
    We sit on different sides politically, but I agree with everything you just said!
  • milarso
    milarso Posts: 1,280
    prfctlefts wrote:
    If he was making stuff up all the time do you really think over 2 million people would watch his show night after night?

    Popularity doesn't equal truth or relevance.
    Millions of people watch American Idol and Dancing with the Stars too... :?
    "The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Well then you do have a third nut or you dont watch his show. If his facts are slanted then give me an example.If he's not fair to his guest then why are his ratings higher than anyone else's when it comes to cable news? Over 2 million people watch his show nightly. He always gives his guest the last word Ive been watching his show now for over 7 years. Let's be honest soulsinging you dont watch his show b/c you don't know what you're talking about. also the man gives more to charity every year then most people make in a life time and he's been an advocate for getting Jessica's law passed in all 50 states
    I could keep going but I dont need to prove anything to you b/c you're just another left wing loon.

    Watch me around here... I attack the left wing loons just as much. They hate me.

    Conservative programs always get higher ratings. It's a largely conservative country and conservative people have more "brand loyalty" and are willing to tune in to a tv/radio program on a daily basis to have their outrage vindicated. You can't get people on the left organized enough to rally around someone like that because inevitably someone gets offended about something that offends their PC-sensibilities. Al Franken and Bill Maher have tried... there's not a good market for liberal tv and radio. Bill's rating are no indication of credibility. He plays to his crowd is all.

    As to slanted facts, they're slanted in the same way every political person slants facts... the numbers are always true but always carefully selected for best effect. I don't have an example because I'm lazy.

    Bill may let his guests give a closing statement, but I've seen his show enough times to watch him shout down and cut off anyone on the left that starts making too much sense. He may go back later once he's changed the subject and let them say goodbye, but that hardly counts as being fair or giving even keel to both sides.

    Bill's not as bad as some of them. Sometimes he does have some things to say worth hearing. Hannity and Coulter are far worse. But you're delusional if you think he's some sort of neutral voice of objective reason.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Motha Judson wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:

    If you truly believe this, I don't know what to say to you. Nobody ever got the last word on Bill... he's famous for shouting people down and cutting off their mics when they start scoring points on him. His "facts" are as slanted as any candidate's and if he's giving a fair shake to dems and repubs, then I have a third nut.

    You make it seem as if I like Bill O'Reilly, I just don't think hes any different then Stewart in the sense that they distort the facts. Stewart hides behind the fact that he has a comedy show, as if he can't be held accountable for his ambiguous comments because its entertainment. O'Reilly and Stewart both take jabs at both sides of the spectrum, they do it so they don't seem completely bias.

    I don't like either one of them, but the only thing Stewarts got going over O'Reilly is the comedy...it is pretty funny even though I don't agree with a lot of the stuff he implies.

    He all but openly kisses Obama's ass, with out actually saying so. O'Reilly did the same thing with Bush until it became fashionable to hate him, even for Republicans.

    I do think there's a crucial difference in the fact that Stewart has a comedy show on a comedy channel and while he does clearly have an agenda and a bias, it's always undercut by the fact that he's doing a comedy show that shouldn't be taken literally as news. Bill has a news show on a news channel, acts like he has no agenda or bias, and presents everything he does as absolute fact. There is a huge difference. They're both slanted and biased, but one buries it in a non-serious comedy show, the other denies it and presents his biases as objective fact reporting. One is entertainment, one is deception and propaganda.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    ...

    In early 2007, researchers from the Indiana University School of Journalism published a report in the academic journal Journalism Studies that analyzed the Talking Points Memo segment that opens most O'Reilly Factor broadcasts on Fox News Channel. Using analysis techniques ... ..the study found that O'Reilly used propaganda... The report also found "a consistent pattern of O'Reilly casting non-Americans in a negative light. Both illegal aliens and foreigners were constructed as physical threats to the public and never featured in the role of victim or hero."[2][3]

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    Completly taken out of context commy He has said many times that he believes most illegals are honest people who want to make a better life for them selves,but we need to control the chaos on the border and there are a lot here that are committing crimes. obviously you don't watch his show either Not to mention he invited the professor of that class to come on his show but he declined. mmmmmmm

    Have you ever heard of framing? If your show always starts with "illegal Mexicans slaughter farmer and destroy country" and then later you add in quiet fine print that "ok, they're not ALL bad," then you're still presenting a pretty biased and alarmist perspective.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Motha Judson wrote:
    Heres a small click I just youtubed, I don't know who this Frank guy is, but the clips from Jon and Bill speak for themselves.

    They both have their own way of doing it, but its pretty clear that their interviews are designed to skew the truth in favor of their side of the political spectrum.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx4FowV_V6A

    Hope this is enough, but I some how doubt it.

    Absolutely. The difference is one person is doing a comedy show that they openly declare is absurd, the other is doing a serious news show that he insists is objective and unbiased.
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,828
    I believe that Stewart is very much in love with Barack Obama, and is a proud member of the "Give Barry a Chance" alliance. However over time, I think he will regretfully start singing a different tune about this guy, and this segment on the daily show that you mention is the first sign of it. I think he is just way too optimisitc about our new president, much like the rest of the country. I do believe Stewart is a pretty honest guy though, and over time, he may actually begin to strongly dislike Barack if he continues to run the White House like Bush.
  • CB206820
    CB206820 Posts: 105
    soulsinging wrote:
    Motha Judson wrote:
    Heres a small click I just youtubed, I don't know who this Frank guy is, but the clips from Jon and Bill speak for themselves.

    They both have their own way of doing it, but its pretty clear that their interviews are designed to skew the truth in favor of their side of the political spectrum.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx4FowV_V6A

    Hope this is enough, but I some how doubt it.

    Absolutely. The difference is one person is doing a comedy show that they openly declare is absurd, the other is doing a serious news show that he insists is objective and unbiased.
    Quoted for truth.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    soulsinging wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Well then you do have a third nut or you dont watch his show. If his facts are slanted then give me an example.If he's not fair to his guest then why are his ratings higher than anyone else's when it comes to cable news? Over 2 million people watch his show nightly. He always gives his guest the last word Ive been watching his show now for over 7 years. Let's be honest soulsinging you dont watch his show b/c you don't know what you're talking about. also the man gives more to charity every year then most people make in a life time and he's been an advocate for getting Jessica's law passed in all 50 states
    I could keep going but I dont need to prove anything to you b/c you're just another left wing loon.

    Watch me around here... I attack the left wing loons just as much. They hate me.

    Conservative programs always get higher ratings. It's a largely conservative country and conservative people have more "brand loyalty" and are willing to tune in to a tv/radio program on a daily basis to have their outrage vindicated. You can't get people on the left organized enough to rally around someone like that because inevitably someone gets offended about something that offends their PC-sensibilities. Al Franken and Bill Maher have tried... there's not a good market for liberal tv and radio. Bill's rating are no indication of credibility. He plays to his crowd is all.

    As to slanted facts, they're slanted in the same way every political person slants facts... the numbers are always true but always carefully selected for best effect. I don't have an example because I'm lazy.

    Bill may let his guests give a closing statement, but I've seen his show enough times to watch him shout down and cut off anyone on the left that starts making too much sense. He may go back later once he's changed the subject and let them say goodbye, but that hardly counts as being fair or giving even keel to both sides.

    Bill's not as bad as some of them. Sometimes he does have some things to say worth hearing. Hannity and Coulter are far worse. But you're delusional if you think he's some sort of neutral voice of objective reason.

    Ratings mean every thing when it comes to news and commentary. If he was some idot just blurting shit out with out backing things up do you really think anybody would watch? just think about it.
    you need to back things up if you're going to say things like that saying your just lazy is B.S.
    I will admit he does cut people off only when they get of topic and some times he only has a few minutes with each guest. It's a fast moving show and it's his show so he can do whatever he wants
    I use to hate his show but the more I watched the more I liked him, I don't think he's a neutral voice on any subject . he just gives his opinion based on facts. Like I said Ive been watching his show and listening to him on the radio for the past 7 yrs and he's rarely ever wrong when it comes to facts, but if he is wrong he will be the first to admit it. however some might disagree with him on certain issues and that's ok. :D
  • Motha Judson
    Motha Judson Posts: 104
    Thats the problem, its an opinion, not a fact. Jon and Bill's shows are 30 minute editorials....not news. The problem is that most of the people that watch those shows don't know the difference between the two and base their views and their voting on it.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Motha Judson wrote:
    Thats the problem, its an opinion, not a fact. Jon and Bill's shows are 30 minute editorials....not news. The problem is that most of the people that watch those shows don't know the difference between the two and base their views and their voting on it.

    That is something I can agree with.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Ratings mean every thing when it comes to news and commentary. If he was some idot just blurting shit out with out backing things up do you really think anybody would watch? just think about it.
    you need to back things up if you're going to say things like that saying your just lazy is B.S.
    I will admit he does cut people off only when they get of topic and some times he only has a few minutes with each guest. It's a fast moving show and it's his show so he can do whatever he wants
    I use to hate his show but the more I watched the more I liked him, I don't think he's a neutral voice on any subject . he just gives his opinion based on facts. Like I said Ive been watching his show and listening to him on the radio for the past 7 yrs and he's rarely ever wrong when it comes to facts, but if he is wrong he will be the first to admit it. however some might disagree with him on certain issues and that's ok. :D

    I'll tell you what. I'm going on vacation tomorrow for 3 weeks. If, in that time, you can find me ONE example of Bill O'Reilly ever admitting to being wrong, I'll go looking for his misuse of facts.

    I think you're nuts about ratings though. American Idol gets huge ratings... people love watching other be humiliated. People love watching fat people fail to lose weight. None of this lends artistic merit or legitimacy to those ratings. People watch Bill because he's an entertaining blowhard. He throws in enough facts to make it seem believable, but 2 million people watching his show in a country with 150 million people means nothing. How many people listened to Howard Stern back in the day? They listened because he was outrageous. Conservatives watch Bill because they get wet dreams wishing they could yell at pagans and minorities and call them whiners like Bill does.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    american idol compered to the no spin zone :roll: you're talking about 2 totally types of demographics. If nobody watched American Idol it wouldn't be as successful as it is and neither would bill
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    soulsinging wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Ratings mean every thing when it comes to news and commentary. If he was some idot just blurting shit out with out backing things up do you really think anybody would watch? just think about it.
    you need to back things up if you're going to say things like that saying your just lazy is B.S.
    I will admit he does cut people off only when they get of topic and some times he only has a few minutes with each guest. It's a fast moving show and it's his show so he can do whatever he wants
    I use to hate his show but the more I watched the more I liked him, I don't think he's a neutral voice on any subject . he just gives his opinion based on facts. Like I said Ive been watching his show and listening to him on the radio for the past 7 yrs and he's rarely ever wrong when it comes to facts, but if he is wrong he will be the first to admit it. however some might disagree with him on certain issues and that's ok. :D

    I'll tell you what. I'm going on vacation tomorrow for 3 weeks. If, in that time, you can find me ONE example of Bill O'Reilly ever admitting to being wrong, I'll go looking for his misuse of facts.

    I think you're nuts about ratings though. American Idol gets huge ratings... people love watching other be humiliated. People love watching fat people fail to lose weight. None of this lends artistic merit or legitimacy to those ratings. People watch Bill because he's an entertaining blowhard. He throws in enough facts to make it seem believable, but 2 million people watching his show in a country with 150 million people means nothing. How many people listened to Howard Stern back in the day? They listened because he was outrageous. Conservatives watch Bill because they get wet dreams wishing they could yell at pagans and minorities and call them whiners like Bill does.

    Have a little more class .That's not why people watch. Did you not see when he interviewed Hillary And Obama?
    while your at it give me an example of him yelling at minorities and pagans . the things that get him worked up the most are things like child predators getting lite sentences and the judges that hand them out. also illegal immagration ie: there have been several cases where illegals have been involved in dui's and innocent people have gotten killed. case in point if they weren't here it never would have happened. Him and geraldo got into one night . I really thought he was going to kill Geraldo. Which would have been fine by me ,Im only kidding of course .
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    prfctlefts wrote:
    american idol compered to the no spin zone :roll: you're talking about 2 totally types of demographics. If nobody watched American Idol it wouldn't be as successful as it is and neither would bill

    Exactly my point. It's all about demographics. Bill appeals to conservatives because he has a bias that validates their views. So they watch him. There are tons of conservatives out there... him roping in 2 million regular viewers means nothing. He's just doing a good job of hitting and hooking his demographic. As jon Stewart does to his.

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