30,000 troops to Afghanistan
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Wow sending 30,000 to afghanistan and continuing this illegal, and immoral war.....
smart move, Obama. Well played.
I wonder if he would be for sending Malia and sasha to afghanistan? Cause his announcement means 30,000 kids our age are being send to die in the middle east?
Why are those who send others kids off to die, never willing to offer up their own babies?
smart move, Obama. Well played.
I wonder if he would be for sending Malia and sasha to afghanistan? Cause his announcement means 30,000 kids our age are being send to die in the middle east?
Why are those who send others kids off to die, never willing to offer up their own babies?
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radiohead33 wrote:Wow sending 30,000 to afghanistan and continuing this illegal, and immoral war.....
smart move, Obama. Well played.
I wonder if he would be for sending Malia and sasha to afghanistan? Cause his announcement means 30,000 kids our age are being send to die in the middle east?
Why are those who send others kids off to die, never willing to offer up their own babies?
Obama's kids aren't 18. Also, Afghanistan is not in the Middle East. Look at a map.
He's also pulling our troops out of Iraq and there are a hell of a lot more than 30,000 in Iraq... so that actually means FEWER American soldiers in harm's way.
Not that you have the guts to debate this issue... you've never responded to anyone that challenged you on here.0 -
What is the source of this 30,000 number? Earlier in the week it was 17,000.0
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SolarWorld wrote:What is the source of this 30,000 number? Earlier in the week it was 17,000.
whatever the number, its too many.
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I have no problem with the war in Afghanistan continuing. It is not to be grouped with Iraq.0
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I agree, It's about time we put more support in Afghanistan and help out the other countries who are fighting there. Wars happen (though we all wish they wouldn't) but it's which we choose to fight in that defines our character. We need to get out of Iraq.JB811 wrote:I have no problem with the war in Afghanistan continuing. It is not to be grouped with Iraq."I'm not present, I'm a drug that makes you dream"0 -
Give war a chance....damn hippies
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soulsinging wrote:
Obama's kids aren't 18. Also, Afghanistan is not in the Middle East. Look at a map.
He's also pulling our troops out of Iraq and there are a hell of a lot more than 30,000 in Iraq... so that actually means FEWER American soldiers in harm's way.
Not that you have the guts to debate this issue... you've never responded to anyone that challenged you on here.
I have no respect for people who start wars. I dont respect bush, but I also am man enough to be against war, even when its not bush starting the wars, but a democrat and supposed "new face and fresh hope".
Part of my distaste for politics is the inherent hypocrisy of politicians. Obama signed a death certificate for 30000 kids. He would never be for sasha and malia being sent to afghanistan. What parent would? Bush wouldnt have loved it if Barbara and Jenna were sent to Iraq.
The escalation of war in Afghanistan is nothing different than the Bush years. Bush's view was escalate Iraq, pull troops from Afghanistan and stage an unwinnable and unmanageable war. Obama's strategy is pull troops from Iraq and stage an equally unwinnable war in Afghanistan.
The war will never be won. Just because obama is now captain of the ship, that doesnt change a damn thing.
How is moving 30000 kids from one battleground to the next making them safer? its not like the war is ONLY going on in iraq. And its not like Obama or the wars commanders are telling troops that are moved from Iraq to Afghnaistan: "Dont bring your guns, just grab a magazine and a swimsuit and relax by the pool". No they will be engaged in combat. They are in a war.
War is hypocrisy. Obama would never be allowed to serve in iraq or Afghanistan. And would never allow his kids to. Yet, he orders a war to continue, a war that will inevitably lead to more death and more unspeakably sad visits to the doors of families to tell them their loved one is never coming home, or that they are coming home but lost an arm, lost a leg, or lost their sanity.
No one wins in a war. Ever. Obama is just as responsible for this mess as Bush is now, as he is going to continue it. 30,000 kids are now in harms way because he signed a note.0 -
CHANGEinWAVES wrote:I agree, It's about time we put more support in Afghanistan and help out the other countries who are fighting there. Wars happen (though we all wish they wouldn't) but it's which we choose to fight in that defines our character. We need to get out of Iraq.
Funny, you may be supportive of such a move, I am wholeheartedly not.
Say obama continues to throw more support to Afghanistan, like it looks like he will. Say he adds another 100,000 troops to afghanistan, takes those troops from Iraq, puts them in Afghanistan, how is that anything different from a Bush war that we all opposed.
I am opposed to senseless death, all death really. Wars are senseless. there is no moral war.
You may applaud the escalation of such a war, and the inevitable deaths of scores and scores of young kids our age. Thats something I dont honor or admire in the least. I have never supoorted this war, in iraq or afghnistan and never will. Its gross, sick and criminal.
I think its always been clear cut. Either war is bad and harmful and you dont support those who murder innocent children either on our side or any side, or you support war and are fine with bombs destroying and murdering families, kids, mothers, fathers, grandparents etc...
Its never been a question for me what I feel on the issue.0 -
radiohead33 wrote:Part of my distaste for politics is the inherent hypocrisy of politicians. Obama signed a death certificate for 30000 kids. He would never be for sasha and malia being sent to afghanistan. What parent would? Bush wouldnt have loved it if Barbara and Jenna were sent to Iraq.
How is moving 30000 kids from one battleground to the next making them safer? its not like the war is ONLY going on in iraq. And its not like Obama or the wars commanders are telling troops that are moved from Iraq to Afghnaistan: "Dont bring your guns, just grab a magazine and a swimsuit and relax by the pool". No they will be engaged in combat. They are in a war.
A death certificate? So every single person that is sent to Afghanistan will be killed eh? Nobody is going to survive, they're all doomed? Come on man...
Withdrawing 100,000 troops from Iraq and moving 30,000 of them to Afghanistan means 70,000 troops come home to safety. That's better than none.0 -
Can anyone tell me exactly what the mission is in Afghanistan these days?
Are we officially still looking for OBL?
Fighting the Taliban as a favour to the people?
Fighting TERROR?0 -
radiohead33 wrote:I think its always been clear cut. Either war is bad and harmful and you dont support those who murder innocent children either on our side or any side, or you support war and are fine with bombs destroying and murdering families, kids, mothers, fathers, grandparents etc...
Is it really that clear cut? Is there nothing in your life that you value enough that you think you would be willing to fight for?0 -
soulsinging wrote:
A death certificate? So every single person that is sent to Afghanistan will be killed eh? Nobody is going to survive, they're all doomed? Come on man...
Withdrawing 100,000 troops from Iraq and moving 30,000 of them to Afghanistan means 70,000 troops come home to safety. That's better than none.
One of my problems with war is how its marketed. I was once an activist. And I know, that the military obviously targets youth in terms of recruitment. They have these video game set ups, booths, and what do you think these games show? Do they show the reality of war? The death, loss, fear, violence? No, hell no! They show glory, and all that stuff. It was naive of bush and others to market this war as a bloodless war that we were going to win in a few months or weeks. It was just as naive for the american people to buy this ludicrus idea that war is bloodless and that you can just drop bombs on some people and everything will be kosher.
Go to the movies lately? Seen those absurd pro military recruitment videos by 3 doors down or Kid Rock? That is a silly and pollyanna view of the world and war.
War is violent and death occurs. just the way it is. So no i dont think it is silly of me to suggest that he signed the death certificate for 30000 kids.
Those kids will never be the same. And he and others can no longer say this is Bush's war. its obama's now too. And when he sends people to a foreign land to get their heads shot off, he deserves to be criticized.0 -
Kel Varnsen wrote:
Is it really that clear cut? Is there nothing in your life that you value enough that you think you would be willing to fight for?
there are many things I value, things I value more than life itself, and would be willing to die for. But I find no honor or glory in the taking of innocent human life. To drop bombs on women and children is an act so criminal its beyond comprehension.
I am willing to fight for things, but i will NEVER be willing to die for the idea of capitalism or imperialism or greed or militarism.
And I repeat it is that simple. Either you believe war and bombs solve issues or you believe they create more peroblems than they solve. Either you believe those who dropped the a bomb are heroes, or are some of the most reprehensible humans ever born.
Its the most juvenile of notions to believe bringing a loaded gun to a foreign land and shooting people will end terorrism. And apparently bush isnt the only person who believes as such. Obama clearly agrees as do many on this board. Which is not only frightening but disturbing.0 -
Kel Varnsen wrote:Is it really that clear cut? Is there nothing in your life that you value enough that you think you would be willing to fight for?
Again...what's the mission? What exactly are these soldiers supposed to be valuing more than their lives?
I'm not being facetious....I really don't know what the hell the justification is for still being there...
I keep hearing people say that Afghanistan is where we should be, and where we should have been focused on from the start....why? If it was to destoy al-qaeda training camps, I'm sure they were destroyed 6-7 years ago...if it was to find OBL, I'm sure he's long gone (or dead)...if it's to fight the Taliban...why are we fighting the Taliban as opposed to a hundred other oppressive regimes? The only plausible (tho sickening) reason I can find for being there is to secure a route for a pipeline.
Increasing troops in Afghanistan is a mistake. We're going to further destabilize Pakistan and this is all going to bite us in the ass in the end.0 -
radiohead33 wrote:I am willing to fight for things, but i will NEVER be willing to die for the idea of capitalism or imperialism or greed or militarism.
And I repeat it is that simple. Either you believe war and bombs solve issues or you believe they create more peroblems than they solve. Either you believe those who dropped the a bomb are heroes, or are some of the most reprehensible humans ever born.
No, it isn't that simple. The world is not as black and white as you wish it was. Though I do admit it makes it easier for simple-minded people to make decisions when the world is viewed that way.
The fact that you disagree with the motives of this particular war does not mean all war is always wrong.0 -
radiohead33 wrote:One of my problems with war is how its marketed. I was once an activist. And I know, that the military obviously targets youth in terms of recruitment. They have these video game set ups, booths, and what do you think these games show? Do they show the reality of war? The death, loss, fear, violence? No, hell no! They show glory, and all that stuff. It was naive of bush and others to market this war as a bloodless war that we were going to win in a few months or weeks. It was just as naive for the american people to buy this ludicrus idea that war is bloodless and that you can just drop bombs on some people and everything will be kosher.
Go to the movies lately? Seen those absurd pro military recruitment videos by 3 doors down or Kid Rock? That is a silly and pollyanna view of the world and war.
War is violent and death occurs. just the way it is. So no i dont think it is silly of me to suggest that he signed the death certificate for 30000 kids.
Those kids will never be the same. And he and others can no longer say this is Bush's war. its obama's now too. And when he sends people to a foreign land to get their heads shot off, he deserves to be criticized.
None of this has anything to do with the war in Afghanistan. Yes, the war propaganda was sickening and misleading and yes the way our military recruits people is reprehensible. That doesn't mean everyone going to Afghanistan is going to die.
Answer me this (even though I know you lack the guts and wherewithal to answer a straight question, preferring your blindly naive and ideological rants with no basis in fact or reality):
Do you truly think every single one of the 30,000 troops going to Afghanistan will be killed in action there?0 -
soulsinging wrote:
No, it isn't that simple. The world is not as black and white as you wish it was. Though I do admit it makes it easier for simple-minded people to make decisions when the world is viewed that way.
The fact that you disagree with the motives of this particular war does not mean all war is always wrong.
don't be silly, WWII was wrong, all those people died for nothing :roll:Thats a lovely accent you have. New Jersey?
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yoke wrote:
Yeah, Churchill was one of the most reprehensible humans ever born. He should have just asked Hitler politely to stop gassing Jews and bombing London. I'm sure he would have responded reasonably once he realized dropping bombs made him one of the most reprehensible humans ever. Too bad we didn't have radiohead33 around back then to tell him so. Would have made that war a lot easier!0 -
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I come back to the thread and no one can source this 30,000 number. It's not 30,000 troops. Second where have you bleeding heart pussies been for the past 2 years? Obama has been saying over and over again that he was going to deal with Afghanistan. Where you guys under a rock? Ear's too dirty to hear? He has been firing missiles from drones from the second he got into office. Obama is not an anti war president. He's an anti Iraq war president. Get a clue people.0
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