Israel's ethnic Cleansing campaign picks up speed

RM291946 wrote:

Did you miss where I talked about the UN Ambassador that is stating these things? He is a pro-hamas, anti-semite Palestinian. He has told a number of outright obvious lies that even contradict what Hamas has said themselves.

You are a fool to listen to the UN as any information coming from them is coming from him.

Anti-semite Palestinian? Do you realise Palestinians are semites? This is the oldest propaganda move Israelis have been using since before the creation of their terrorist state. Criticize Israel and you are an anti-semite. "Ho-Ho".

I think Commy replied to you with much of all that is needed to be said but I will add that half the things you say are absolute bullshit. Israel does not poor billions into Gaza. The place has been under blockade for over a year and people are running out of clean water and you tell me they are building schools? Children don't even have ink to write in books. But why would they need ink when they are running out of books even. Initially, when they had Jewish colonies inside Gaza they funded the colonies and left the Palestinians to rot in hell. For more information about this watch documentaries like "Peace, Propaganda and The Promised Land" and "Occupation 101".

You say you have some family in Israel as if it would make me believe you more. I have family in Lebanon and lived there myself and seen the atrocities that Israeli inflicted. I have extended family in Israel as well who are treated like shit. So?

And even if there were Hamas fighters in the school, you are condoning the attack which has killed more than 40 civilians in order to to kill a handful of fighters? So tell me, going by your foolish logic, are suicide bombings which kill one Israeli policeman or IDF officer and 40 Israeli civilians correct in their nature? No they are not and you have shown enough of your hypocrisy.

And how do you explain the bombing of UN Aid Convoys?

I suggest you read articles and books from people like Robert Fisk for a better perspective.

I also suggest you start finding excuses for these:

Gaza 'war crimes' warning
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/gaza-w ... 34029.html

The UN human rights chief warned a special session of the Human Rights Council on Friday that human rights violations in Gaza and some reported incidents there might warrant prosecutions for war crimes...

and this,

Israel's weeklong turning point
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/israel ... 87018.html

...Usually reluctant to go public, the International Committee of the Red Cross described as shocking the discovery by its field staff on Wednesday of four emaciated children next to the bodies of their dead mothers in a house in Zeitoun, near Gaza City. It rebuked the Israeli military for failing its obligation under humanitarian law "to care for and evacuate the wounded".

In the meantime, Israeli officials opted for a slanging match they could not win, challenging the view of Cardinal Renato Martino, head of the Vatican's pontifical council on peace and justice, who said on Wednesday: "Look at the conditions in Gaza: more and more it resembles a big concentration camp."

The cardinal has since upped the ante. In an interview with La Repubblica he describes the situation in Gaza as horrific and "against human dignity".

Even the US State Department had a rebuke, saying the three-hour lull in fighting that Israel grudgingly agreed to observe on the afternoon of each second day of fighting was insufficient.

Amnesty International complained that Israeli troops were endangering civilians by occupying their homes and holding them by force in ground-floor rooms, while the rest of the building was used as an Israeli military base and sniper position....

...Israeli embassies worldwide will have been reporting the week's rising tide of criticism to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Jerusalem. Having copped the lot from the Vatican, the UN, the Red Cross, Amnesty International and even the State Department, what were they to make of the page-one exclusive in The Guardian yesterday - "Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas"'?...

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RM291946 wrote:

Europe should have just left the Ottoman Empire alone. It was peacful, stable, and with none of this infighting and 'holy wars,' including the one orchestrated by al Husseini between Jews and Arabs.

It's a myth that anyone stole the land..Jews had roots in Palestine dating back more than 3000 years, and never really left the region, there have always been a significant number of Jews there, particularly in Jerusalem. Both them and the Arabs have equal claim to the land.

In fact the forced immigration of Jews back to Palestine from Russia during WWI led to less than half a million Jews returning. It's estimated by historians that the illegal Arab immigration from syria and Iraq exceeded the number of Jews immigrating there.

Jews did continue to build up Gaza while both them and the Arabs co-existed there. It was to the benefit of both of them.

It didn't become a Jew vs. Arab problem till al Husseini used the 1929 riots to claim the Jews were plotting to destroy the Dome of the Rock and the al Aqsa Mosque. The riots started cos the Jews placed up a customary screen between the men and the women at their Yom Kippur prayers at the Western Wall. A British prick pointed it out and demanded they take them down (it was a form of construction, which was forbidden at the wall). Brit officers in riot gear went and destroyed the screen and the riots began. It had nowt to do with the Arabs...it was between the Jews and the British. It was Arafat's bastard of a cousin who brought the Arabs into the mix.

If you ask me, saudi Arabia should be allowed the freedom to take control over all the unstable countries in the middle east. They have the wealth, the military, and the respect in the region to carry it out..And like the Turks, all the Royals really want is a quiet, terrorist-free life, and a sound long-term oil deal with the u.s.

The non-Jewish Arabs vastly outnumbered the Jewish population in the early days before the creation of Israel. The Arab ownership of land was far greater than the land in Jewish control. European forced immigration of Jews or Jews fleeing persecution did not lead to Jews "returning" but led to European Jews taking over Palestinian lands. The idea of "returning" is a myth. It seems you also fail to mention the Zionist terrorist gangs that went on rampages to scare the Brits and Arabs. Another myth is that much of the LAND WAS NOT STOLEN. That is the myth that Israel tries to sell to the public. Even Ben-Gurion admitted Zionists had to kick out Palestinians to get their own state so give me a break from these modified history lessons which make the heart of the Israeli Propaganda campaign.

The Jews who were colonising sections of Gaza before the withdrawal were investing money in their own little settlements under the heavy protection of the IDF. In fact, many humanitarian agencies (including Israeli agencies) have stated those settlements constantly impeded Palestinian lives to suit the Jewish colonialists. In addition to "settlers" attacking Palestinians under the protection of the IDF. There are many documentaries out there. Watch them.

The fact that you mention the Saudi's should take over the region leads me to conclude you truly have no idea what you are talking about. Any moderate Muslim would bash his/her head on the wall just reading your statement. Saudi's employ a system of fundamentalist Wahhabi doctrines that require complete change for any truly sane person to recommend they take over other countries. They are a monarchy, and they are not as respected as you make think by the Shi'ites. These "royals" you mention live their over-indulgent disgustingly pompous lives while they subject their people to many human rights violations. I can see why you might support the war in Gaza.

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RM291946 wrote:

I already said arabs outnumbered the jews. That doesn't remove the fact that the jews still have ancestral ties to Palestine. Just cos there were more Arabs doesn't mean they don't have a right to any of the land.

Jews didn't forcibly create Israel..The leader of the zionist movement didn't even think it was possible, he knew their own powerlessness. You want to lay blame on anyone for that one, look to the brit's..They are the ones who took over the Palestinian lands.

And I never said anyone, Israel, Hamas, PLO, whomever, were not guilty of atrocities. Quite the opposite, I fully support charges for war crimes and I've said as much already. I am also very relieved Bush just disapproved their plans for to attack Iran.

saudi arabia were our allies long before Israel even was. Almost all the Islamic countries subject their people to many human rights violations. One difference is the saudi's don't tolerate terrorism. They have, since 2002, been systematically picking out known terrorists and either deporting them, or torturing them. I don't condone that method by any means, but fact remains, they are stable and don't have it out for us.

My own folk are shi'ite, but they are the minority and can't hold the kind of control the sunni's can. The only other country over there who would have the ability for such a task would be Iran, but they are entirely too unstable. I can count on one hand how many of those countries have established any form of stability since the fall of the Turks. Too many of the rest are falling under control of terrorists. You and I both know that mufti's or terrorists control the middle east, not these "governments" set up to make westerners feel better about the region.

Who cares if they are over-indulgent. That's their will. Royals worldwide live like that. What makes them any more disgusting than the rest..They still don't go around like bullies trying to take over everywhere like Israel...Yes I said Israel.

The Oslo agreement was not rejected. Israel gave the Arabs control of Gaza, Palestinian Arabs recognised the state of Israel, and then Hamas was elected.

And regarding the bombing of schools and innocents dying, what makes Israel any different from our own in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Pakistan..'25 people die in an airstrike, 2 in the crowd were terrorists.'
This news story line is becoming too frequent.

And something you said before bothers me..I do not support any war in any form. That doesn't mean I can't be a realist and know that there is still going to be war.

The Zionist movement in Europe was pressuring Britain to act hence they are also responsible; and whatever the circumstances it does not mean the initial Zionist Jews are excused from the carnage that followed (once again research "Irgun"). Its funny how you blame the British, a Palestinian cleric, an American president and so on but I am yet to see any blame on one Israeli. The occupation is what fucked things up and the continuous occupation although initiated by the British is now solely a problem Israelis should be blamed for because they are expanding it to a stage where it can't be fixed.

And yes I mentioned the Arabs rejecting the 1948 Partition plan but that does not mean they are to be blamed for it. There is reasonable objection to just giving someone else your land. What I did say is that they should of realised they will only lose more because the whole world will be against them.

As for the ceasefires, most of the times they were actually broken by Israel, including this last one which caused the Gaza carnage (see the previous Fisk article I posted). The Israelis press for ceasefires yet continually suffocate the Palestinians until they react and once they do they play the sympathy vote around the world.

and excuse me, where do you get your facts? Wahhabism is not the fastest growing, its the Shi'ites; and no they don't get along that well either. Shi'ites in Saudi Arabia are not treated as well as Sunni muslims. Not to mention the problems which resulted from Saudi Arabia funding Iraq against Iran in the 1980-1988 war.

Finally, you should stop saying "as I said before" when you actually haven't said it before.

RM291946 wrote:

byrnzie-I already talked about how Israel should be charged with war crimes..I'm not getting into it anew with someone else.

Nok-reread my posts if you think I have not laid any blame on Israelis for anything. I did, for several things on several occassions.

Anytime I say "I've said before" it's cos I did..Not my problem if you don't care to go back and reread. shi'a is growing, but not at the rate of Wahhabism on a global scale, and I never said they got along. I'm over this, just the same thing getting regurgitated over and over.

You'll say I can't come up with anymore arguements or realised I can't win, and make a post stating something contradicting mine to show me how wrong I am..Fine by me.

Have fun.

You criticized Israel once and it was for bombing the school, for the occupation on the other hand you criticized Britian and Al-Hussieni. Shi'ites are out-growing Sunni muslims altogether including one of its divisions (Wahhabism). Not to mention that there are two forms of Wahhabism: Saudi Arabian and another form which is less strict.

Enjoy.