Ann Rule

AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,569
edited November 2007 in All Encompassing Trip
Anyone ever read Ann Rule?

My mother studied criminology and worked as a matron for the police. She sent me three books by Ann Rule (true-crime author). I've just started casually reading "Most Dangerous Killers: Without pity".

It's interesting stuff.

Ann Rule was a friend and colleague of Ted Bundy at the Seattle, Washington Crisis line before it was revealed that he was a serial murderer.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 28,899
    oh yes i have a littlestack of ann rule's books.

    and never let her go
    the lust killers
    the stranger beside me
    (about bundy)
    a rose for her grave
    the I-5 killer
    hear my name
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,569
    oh yes i have a littlestack of ann rule's books.

    and never let her go
    the lust killers
    the stranger beside me
    (about bundy)
    a rose for her grave
    the I-5 killer

    Cool, my mother sent me the I5 killer too. She has all the books apparently. She was way more into crime study than I have been, probably where I got it from to begin with.

    Good stuff, I just made it through the first story in the book and I liked it. It was short and to the point, these are the facts, you decide what happened. I like that.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,211
    i felt the i-5 killer was kinda mediocre, but the one about ted bundy is amazing.
    deserve's got nothing to do with it.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 28,899
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Cool, my mother sent me the I5 killer too. She has all the books apparently. She was way more into crime study than I have been, probably where I got it from to begin with.

    Good stuff, I just made it through the first story in the book and I liked it. It was short and to the point, these are the facts, you decide what happened. I like that.

    i went through a major crime period. what depravities people are capable of never ceases to amaze me.

    ryan you should read the last victim by jason moss. his interest in serial killers came from his mum and he actually spoke to several of them in prison and corresponded with them. john wayne gacy, manson, dahmer. sadly he ended up suiciding.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,569
    i felt the i-5 killer was kinda mediocre, but the one about ted bundy is amazing.

    I don't think I got that one. I might check it out though.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,569
    i went through a major crime period. what depravities people are capable of never ceases to amaze me.

    ryan you should read the last victim by jason moss. his interest in serial killers came from his mum and he actually spoke to several of them in prison and corresponded with them. john wayne gacy, manson, dahmer. sadly he ended up suiciding.

    I'll see if my mother has read it, it sounds interesting. Thanks :)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    I'm familiar with her but I have yet to read her books.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 28,899
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'll see if my mother has read it, it sounds interesting. Thanks :)

    here's another 2 to check out:

    riverman by robert keppel and william j. birnes

    this ones about investigating the green river killings and how bundy insinuated his way into the investigation to buy himself some more time.


    shot in the heart by mikal gilmore.

    about mikal's brother gary gilmore. also the subject of mailer's the executioner's song
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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    yeah, i've read a few of Ann Rule's books

    The Stranger Beside Me
    The I-5 Killer
    Small Sacrifices
    Bitter Harvest
    Everything She Ever Wanted
    A Rose for Her Grave
    You Belong to Me
    A Fever in the Heart
    In the Name of Love
    The End Of The Dream
    A Rage to Kill


    I haven't read any of her newer books over the last few years. it kinda gets to be too creepy to keep reading about the crimes she writes about. like so creepy it's almost enough that if you live in the PNW you'll never want to leave your own front porch ever again :eek:
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,569
    prism wrote:
    yeah, i've read a few of Ann Rule's books

    The Stranger Beside Me
    The I-5 Killer
    Small Sacrifices
    Bitter Harvest
    Everything She Ever Wanted
    A Rose for Her Grave
    You Belong to Me
    A Fever in the Heart
    In the Name of Love
    The End Of The Dream
    A Rage to Kill


    I haven't read any of her newer books over the last few years. it kinda gets to be too creepy to keep reading about the crimes she writes about. like so creepy it's almost enough that if you live in the PNW you'll never want to leave your own front porch ever again :eek:

    What's a PNW? Washington area?

    There sure is a lot of incidences of homicide in that region, but that might just be a result of population density.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 28,899
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What's a PNW? Washington area?

    There sure is a lot of incidences of homicide in that region, but that might just be a result of population density.

    PNW = pacific north west. :)
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,569
    PNW = pacific north west. :)

    I should have guessed that since I grew up in the pacific northwest. Specifically Powell River and Victoria, B.C. I guess, I've never seen it as an acronym before.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • vedderfan10vedderfan10 Posts: 2,497
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I should have guessed that since I grew up in the pacific northwest. Specifically Powell River and Victoria, B.C. I guess, I've never seen it as an acronym before.

    Did not know you lived in Victoria at one time....I live near there - and grew up here too...

    I used to just LOVE Ann Rule books! But I don't think I've read one since 2000. "Bitter Harvest" was the last one I read - and thought it was quite facinating...One I really got the creeps over was "Dead by Sunset". Everytime we go to Oregon, I think about that story...and I have no idea why...Small Sacrifices...that gives you a lot of insight into the mind of a psychopath/sociopath...I can't remember if she was psychotic or not...

    What's weird is that my dad turns out to be an Ann Rule fan - I didn't know that for the longest time...anyway, he has all my books...

    Cool thread!

    Has anyone ever read Perfect Victim about the couple who kept a girl in a box under their bed - for years....? That was REALLY disturbing!
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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    Did not know you lived in Victoria at one time....I live near there - and grew up here too...

    I used to just LOVE Ann Rule books! But I don't think I've read one since 2000. "Bitter Harvest" was the last one I read - and thought it was quite facinating...One I really got the creeps over was "Dead by Sunset". Everytime we go to Oregon, I think about that story...and I have no idea why...Small Sacrifices...that gives you a lot of insight into the mind of a psychopath/sociopath...I can't remember if she was psychotic or not...

    What's weird is that my dad turns out to be an Ann Rule fan - I didn't know that for the longest time...anyway, he has all my books...

    Cool thread!

    Has anyone ever read Perfect Victim about the couple who kept a girl in a box under their bed - for years....? That was REALLY disturbing!

    lived in Victoria at one time *raises hand*


    i forgot all about about Dead By Sunset.....I read that one too
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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What's a PNW? Washington area?

    There sure is a lot of incidences of homicide in that region, but that might just be a result of population density.

    psycho nuts in washington ;)


    it doesn't have anything to do with population density...if that were the case the entire east coast would be crawling with serial killers....if i had to guess i would say that it has much more to do with lots of wooded areas to hide the bodies in the PNW
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 28,899
    prism wrote:
    psycho nuts in washington ;)


    it doesn't have anything to do with population density...if that were the case the entire east coast would be crawling with serial killers....if i had to guess i would say that it has much more to do with lots of wooded areas to hide the bodies in the PNW

    and perhaps a more transient population? truckers, loggers... your garden variety nutjobs. not to mention the type of industries that attract such creatures giving them the opprtunity and victim base to commit their crimes. :)
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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    and perhaps a more transient population? truckers, loggers... your garden variety nutjobs. not to mention the type of industries that attract such creatures giving them the opprtunity and victim base to commit their crimes. :)


    dammit cate, now i'm scared to leave my house ever again :p


    the one serial killer that i've ever seen personally (I stood behind him in the check out line at the Rite-Aid) didn't kill anyone around here. as a matter of fact he and his cohort(that my daughter went to high school with here) went to my hometown and the surrounding area 3000 miles away from here to do most of their killing. I'm dead serious. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 28,899
    prism wrote:
    dammit cate, now i'm scared to leave my house ever again :p


    the one serial killer that i've ever seen personally (I stood behind him in the check out line at the Rite-Aid) didn't kill anyone around here. as a matter of fact he and his cohort(that my daughter went to high school with here) went to my hometown and the surrounding area 3000 miles away from here to do most of their killing. I'm dead serious. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

    just carry a big knife. :D
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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    just carry a big knife. :D

    good idea...I'll start carrying a machete around with me...you know, just to blend in with the other garden-variety nutjobs :cool: :D
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,569
    I have no fear of killers.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,569
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 28,899
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I have no fear of killers.

    i have no fear of the killers :D :p
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  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 3,965
    It's funny, a client of mine just recommended her to me this morning. He loves her books. I'm going to have to check her out. :)
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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    wolfbear wrote:
    It's funny, a client of mine just recommended her to me this morning. He loves her books. I'm going to have to check her out. :)

    I got rid of some of them at a book sale years ago. but I still have a stack to get you started, that you're more than welcome to borrow anytime. :)
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  • ardyardy Posts: 53
    hey you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    nAnCy...how the heck are you!!!!!?????!!!!
    "Can I ask you a question?" (.....you just did.....)
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,569
    I found this story particularly interesting, it's from "Without Pity"

    I'm paraphrasing here.

    Kip and Lori Rennsler (28), lived on Bainbridge Island, Washington.

    Kip was VP of Personnel for Old National Bank.

    They had been married 6 years with a son Stevie who was "old enough to be excited about santa claus"

    They had adopted a Dachsund puppy.

    Police received a call from a neighbour reporting a "triple homicide".

    Police arrived to find Stevie had been stabbed in the neck, his body situated near his mother in the master bedroom. His mother's neck had been hacked at with a kitchen knife found in the bedroom, in an apparent attempt to decapitate her, blood splatter all over the walls. The dog was also murdered and lay near the bed.

    Kip, had 4 stab wounds to his chest, his shirt had been removed. His clothes were found under Stevie's mattress which had been turned over on the floor. Blood filled the mattress and box spring. Police noticed that there was too much blood to have been from Stevie alone. There were three punctures in Kips t-shirt, but four knife wounds in his chest. Coroner's determined that the first three wounds were shallow punctures, but the fourth damaged major organs and filled his lung with blood.

    In the end police determined that Kip had murdered his wife, son and dog and then suicided hours later. Even though family and friends reported that he was a decent man, he had not been himself as of late. A 25 page letter was found torn in his jacket pocket, which read, in part:

    "Now, you will realize why I am doing all this. What I have to do is so simple it's unbelievable. It is something that will never hurt anyone--even you or Stevie or Me. However, it's so shocking that even when I tell you, you won't believe it. PLEASE READ THIS ALOUD! That means that although you and I can live out our entire lives VERY HAPPY--NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT--the rest of the world will never get a chance. Everyone that ever lived in the past and everyone that will ever live in the future.

    You are not going to believe what I have to through. It's so simple yet so tough. Please put Stevie to bed--no matter what he says"

    There was a section missing, and then it went on:

    "But that kills the whole deal. YOu made the decision. Now I have to stick to it. I'm about to tell you what it is. But you must first provide me two things out loud and on paper and really mean them. They are very simple but so weird that you will probably wonder if I'm still around this world.

    Remember. I have to do this the rest of my life. You must believe me immediately. No hesitation. Are you ready? I have to remain silent the rest of my life."

    And here the note trailed off into a stream of consciousness as Kip struggled to make his mind do his bidding"

    "I forgot one of the things. I can't go ahead without that one, even though I remember the other one. However, I can't tell you what the thing I have to is until I find that simple thing.

    You still have the hardest part because I know all this to be absolutely true, but you have only my word for it. I will tell you something. You and I and Steview were meant to do this out of all the poeple past, present and future. Why were we picked? Because God thought we were the very best out of all people, past--present--future. I am, and if he didn't know this, he would never have picked me for this final or final things.

    IT IS UNBELIEVABLE TO ME TOO!!!"

    And I particularly like Ann's final paragraph on the story:

    "Every year, there are bleak headlines about fathers and mothers, husbands and wives, and even grown children who, for their own unfathomable and distorted reasons, destroy their entire families. Many of these tragedies can be prevented in the future if we pay attention to symptoms that are like tiny red flags just beyond the periphery of our vision."

    I still believe that no one acts with the sense of acting irrationally or immorally. Clearly this man was convinced of his own delusions. Driven by his faith, justified by his insanity, he did what felt right in his gut and his heart.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    ardy wrote:
    hey you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    nAnCy...how the heck are you!!!!!?????!!!!

    RD.....my lovely!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

    I am the heck great!!!!!!!! :D

    you must get your behind back out here again soon! I promise to protect said behind from all the other psycho nuts in washington ;) :p
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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I found this story particularly interesting, it's from "Without Pity"

    I'm paraphrasing here.

    Kip and Lori Rennsler (28), lived on Bainbridge Island, Washington.

    Kip was VP of Personnel for Old National Bank.

    They had been married 6 years with a son Stevie who was "old enough to be excited about santa claus"

    They had adopted a Dachsund puppy.

    Police received a call from a neighbour reporting a "triple homicide".

    Police arrived to find Stevie had been stabbed in the neck, his body situated near his mother in the master bedroom. His mother's neck had been hacked at with a kitchen knife found in the bedroom, in an apparent attempt to decapitate her, blood splatter all over the walls. The dog was also murdered and lay near the bed.

    Kip, had 4 stab wounds to his chest, his shirt had been removed. His clothes were found under Stevie's mattress which had been turned over on the floor. Blood filled the mattress and box spring. Police noticed that there was too much blood to have been from Stevie alone. There were three punctures in Kips t-shirt, but four knife wounds in his chest. Coroner's determined that the first three wounds were shallow punctures, but the fourth damaged major organs and filled his lung with blood.

    In the end police determined that Kip had murdered his wife, son and dog and then suicided hours later. Even though family and friends reported that he was a decent man, he had not been himself as of late. A 25 page letter was found torn in his jacket pocket, which read, in part:

    "Now, you will realize why I am doing all this. What I have to do is so simple it's unbelievable. It is something that will never hurt anyone--even you or Stevie or Me. However, it's so shocking that even when I tell you, you won't believe it. PLEASE READ THIS ALOUD! That means that although you and I can live out our entire lives VERY HAPPY--NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT--the rest of the world will never get a chance. Everyone that ever lived in the past and everyone that will ever live in the future.

    You are not going to believe what I have to through. It's so simple yet so tough. Please put Stevie to bed--no matter what he says"

    There was a section missing, and then it went on:

    "But that kills the whole deal. YOu made the decision. Now I have to stick to it. I'm about to tell you what it is. But you must first provide me two things out loud and on paper and really mean them. They are very simple but so weird that you will probably wonder if I'm still around this world.

    Remember. I have to do this the rest of my life. You must believe me immediately. No hesitation. Are you ready? I have to remain silent the rest of my life."

    And here the note trailed off into a stream of consciousness as Kip struggled to make his mind do his bidding"

    "I forgot one of the things. I can't go ahead without that one, even though I remember the other one. However, I can't tell you what the thing I have to is until I find that simple thing.

    You still have the hardest part because I know all this to be absolutely true, but you have only my word for it. I will tell you something. You and I and Steview were meant to do this out of all the poeple past, present and future. Why were we picked? Because God thought we were the very best out of all people, past--present--future. I am, and if he didn't know this, he would never have picked me for this final or final things.

    IT IS UNBELIEVABLE TO ME TOO!!!"

    And I particularly like Ann's final paragraph on the story:

    "Every year, there are bleak headlines about fathers and mothers, husbands and wives, and even grown children who, for their own unfathomable and distorted reasons, destroy their entire families. Many of these tragedies can be prevented in the future if we pay attention to symptoms that are like tiny red flags just beyond the periphery of our vision."

    I still believe that no one acts with the sense of acting irrationally or immorally. Clearly this man was convinced of his own delusions. Driven by his faith, justified by his insanity, he did what felt right in his gut and his heart.

    jeez dude.....isn't any wonder why it gets too creepy after a while?


    yuck
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