'Sopranos' final season to begin April 8

aNiMaL · June 2007

I personally would like to invest another 86 hours into watching the series again from start to finish.

SoapMakesUTaller · June 2007

Found the rat!

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VINNY GOOMBA · June 2007

AllNiteThing wrote:

Of course it was! The naysayers either never understood what the show was about and just focused on the tits and guns, or they are so ADD that they NEED some big 'payoff' instant gratification scene that the media has so conditioned us to expect. Whatever happened to letting things simmer, contemplation and appreciation of artistic vision?

I applaud Chase for not giving in to the lowest common denominator viewer and sticking to the integrity that this show has always been about. Reality.

I hear what you're saying... but if this guy makes a movie (based on these characters, NOT a prequel with Junior and Johnny Soprano-- WHICH WOULD ROCK) then all his artistic vision and credibility goes out the window.

It's gonna be tough with the paycheck it'll give him. Of course, this is nothing he would want to do anytime soon-- nor would any of the actors. They all want to grow out of their Sopranos characters, make some $ playing other roles (and proving that they great actors all around-- not just for the Sopranos), and if the opportunity ever arises (say, in 10 years) to do a Sopranos movie, they'll be all over it.

I still don't think what he did was all that genius as some have claimed it to be.

AllNiteThing · June 2007

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

All night thing we are all fans, why does there have to be a degree in fansize, its fucking tv, master framer as usual you know everything about everyhting and diesrespect people to prove it.
Every thing in these threads is posted over at sopranoland .com, someone actualy saw the episode in its entirety and had it posted a week earlier.
I spent time in east caldwell working in march and feb, a lot of the locals watched the taping.
THERE WERE 3 ENDINGS TAPED THAT ALL COULD HAVE FIT IN THE LAST 10 MINS.
All this stuff is also posted at sopranoland measage board and has been for weeks.
This stuff has been out there.
So to tell people they are wrong on the hes dead opinion, or the family crossfire is crazy, the director wanted this.
Of course if theres a movie tony will be back but that is tv.
Gandolaphini quoted as saying that character is dead to me

The earlier stuff in the shows.
Chase wanted the speculation, he got it.
Too sit here and tell people they are wrong based on webpage bullshit is arogant.
The writer put it out there, the family had been out to eat many of times and tony was never that nervous, it is good stuff for people to invision their own take.
Its called anxiety, many people have it and the show was based on it.
Telling people they are not fans or dont know the show is rediculoius, they could have watched the last episode and came up with these same theories.
Great show.
Great series.
great directing, great acting, how many fucking scenarios could they have over ten years.
there was over 80 hours of tape. Of course the show was great in the first 15 episodes it came out of knowwhere, following the scripts and killing than reinventing characters is not an easy task.
I honestly think when buscemi joined the series the filmaking itself got better, more anxiety more suspence, and better scene changes.

Great post. You're right, I didn't mean to 'rate' people fansize or whatever you call it, sorry if that came out wrong. My point was that there are a lot of people out there, in the media especially, coming down on the creative direction of the final episode (or final season for that matter), and you can just tell that they haven't been immersed in the Soprano world enough to know that this was the inevitable conclusion to the show. ANYONE can enjoy the show, I don't care if you're a casual fan or not, but it's frustrating seeing so many people with 'loud' opinions getting air time, who obviously don't realize that the show doesn't and has never catered to the typical hollywood mold.

rrivers · June 2007

AllNiteThing wrote:

The ONLY choice was Tony had dinner with his family. That was the scene, cut and dry. Anything you infer afterwards is your own imagination, exactly how Chase wanted it. Obviously he didn't get nabbed by the fbi right then, and there was no indication anyone in there was after him. Just great suspenseful direction by the Soprano creators to make a point.

A sudden blackout means death? Umm, how about it meant the end of the show? lol Maybe the 10 seconds were a time to reflect? I don't recall anyone saying 'everything goes to black'. It wasn't in the scene with Bobby/Tony in the canoe, and for that matter THAT flashback was in reference specifically to Bobby's death, not Tony's.

Again, that's in reference to Bobby. It would be too redundant and against the show's grain to use it in reference to Tony's death. Too simplistic thinking.

Completely arbitrary percentages, but whatever. Tony passing out? Another possibility, but again no more or less likely than him being shot, life going on or the fbi indicting him.
I never said the screen going black represented ANYTHING at all, not the fbi nor death nor whatever. I said it was implied that LATER in the Sopranos timeline he could get indicted (i.e. the next morning) or what have you.

Chase said everything you need is right there, because it's exactly what we see. Nobody with a gun, no evil looks, no recurring Phil Leotardo henchmen, no fbi spies, nothing! Just Tony with his family at peace for a few minutes in a world of stress and suspicion. There life goes on, but ours was ended, and ended abruptly. No grand death scene and no illusion to such. Accept it.

AllNiteThing, I know you have appointed yourself the expert on all things Sopranos and we are all happy for you. Thanks for giving us your resume and how many times you have seen all the episodes. It took me so long to respond because I was so blown away by how knowledgable you are, or I should say, how knowledgable you think you are ie arrogant.

I love how in one post you say that that what you love about the show is subtleness and then you say that the scene with Bobby talking about the blackness has to be exactly about Bobby. You actually wrote that it would be too simplistic to think it refers to Tony's death. That would not be simplistic at all, and that would be the subtlety you spoke of.

As for your Howard Stern comments, sure he didn't know who Carlo was, but so what? You sound just like Artie. The point is that Howard knew that someone flipped who gave the feds what they needed to indict Tony. Stop being a fanboy and criticizing everyone who doesn't have the time to watch every episode multiple times like you. I liked the show but I can respect other people's opinions that they wanted a more definite ending, and can even understand their argument that they deserved one.

I am not sure that my thought about Tony being dead is definitely right. It makes sense to me.

rrivers · June 2007

AllNiteThing wrote:

Great post. You're right, I didn't mean to 'rate' people fansize or whatever you call it, sorry if that came out wrong. My point was that there are a lot of people out there, in the media especially, coming down on the creative direction of the final episode (or final season for that matter), and you can just tell that they haven't been immersed in the Soprano world enough to know that this was the inevitable conclusion to the show. ANYONE can enjoy the show, I don't care if you're a casual fan or not, but it's frustrating seeing so many people with 'loud' opinions getting air time, who obviously don't realize that the show doesn't and has never catered to the typical hollywood mold.

That wasn't the inevitable conclusion to the show.

WhiteMaleRat · June 2007

rrivers wrote:

AllNiteThing, I know you have appointed yourself the expert on all things Sopranos and we are all happy for you. Thanks for giving us your resume and how many times you have seen all the episodes. It took me so long to respond because I was so blown away by how knowledgable you are, or I should say, how knowledgable you think you are ie arrogant.

I love how in one post you say that that what you love about the show is subtleness and then you say that the scene with Bobby talking about the blackness has to be exactly about Bobby. You actually wrote that it would be too simplistic to think it refers to Tony's death. That would not be simplistic at all, and that would be the subtlety you spoke of.

As for your Howard Stern comments, sure he didn't know who Carlo was, but so what? You sound just like Artie. The point is that Howard knew that someone flipped who gave the feds what they needed to indict Tony. Stop being a fanboy and criticizing everyone who doesn't have the time to watch every episode multiple times like you. I liked the show but I can respect other people's opinions that they wanted a more definite ending, and can even understand their argument that they deserved one.

I am not sure that my thought about Tony being dead is definitely right. It makes sense to me.

I think if you read your past posts, you were implying that Tony is dead, and that was the meaning behind the blackout. I have a hard time concluding that.

MasterFramer · June 2007

rrivers wrote:

Stop being a fanboy and criticizing everyone who doesn't have the time to watch every episode multiple times like you.

Amen... didnt think Sorpranos fan boys existed till now.

Also Allnightthing, stop saying that people who think the ending was less than ok are people who like "tits and guns" It's asinine. The show is NOT as awesome as you think it is. Its a great show but its far from brilliant like you keep insisting on. Want a brilliant show? Watch The Wire.

aNiMaL · June 2007

AllNiteThing wrote:

The ONLY choice was Tony had dinner with his family. That was the scene, cut and dry. Anything you infer afterwards is your own imagination, exactly how Chase wanted it. Obviously he didn't get nabbed by the fbi right then, and there was no indication anyone in there was after him. Just great suspenseful direction by the Soprano creators to make a point.

A sudden blackout means death? Umm, how about it meant the end of the show? lol Maybe the 10 seconds were a time to reflect? I don't recall anyone saying 'everything goes to black'. It wasn't in the scene with Bobby/Tony in the canoe, and for that matter THAT flashback was in reference specifically to Bobby's death, not Tony's.

Again, that's in reference to Bobby. It would be too redundant and against the show's grain to use it in reference to Tony's death. Too simplistic thinking.

Completely arbitrary percentages, but whatever. Tony passing out? Another possibility, but again no more or less likely than him being shot, life going on or the fbi indicting him.

I never said the screen going black represented ANYTHING at all, not the fbi nor death nor whatever. I said it was implied that LATER in the Sopranos timeline he could get indicted (i.e. the next morning) or what have you.

Chase said everything you need is right there, because it's exactly what we see. Nobody with a gun, no evil looks, no recurring Phil Leotardo henchmen, no fbi spies, nothing! Just Tony with his family at peace for a few minutes in a world of stress and suspicion. There life goes on, but ours was ended, and ended abruptly. No grand death scene and no illusion to such. Accept it.

I agree with everything you said about the show wholeheartedly.

FnCircus · June 2007

i think the terrorists bombed the shop and everyone died.

aNiMaL · June 2007

MasterFramer wrote:

Amen... didnt think Sorpranos fan boys existed till now.

Also Allnightthing, stop saying that people who think the ending was less than ok are people who like "tits and guns" It's asinine. The show is NOT as awesome as you think it is. Its a great show but its far from brilliant like you keep insisting on. Want a brilliant show? Watch The Wire.

With All Due Respect...The Sopranos was one of the most brilliant shows ever to grace the small screen. The Wire is good, but truly has nothing on The Sopranos or Deadwood. And I agree with Allnite, there are two camps of fans of The Sopranos...the ones who appreciate the writing and character development and the drama of the entire saga....and then there are those who only liked the killing and T&A. Most of the latter fans were probably really disappointed with the ending just as they were bored with season 4 when the violence went down a bit after 9/11.

MasterFramer · June 2007

aNiMaL wrote:

With All Due Respect...The Sopranos was one of the most brilliant shows ever to grace the small screen. The Wire is good, but truly has nothing on The Sopranos or Deadwood. And I agree with Allnite, there are two camps of fans of The Sopranos...the ones who appreciate the writing and character development and the drama of the entire saga....and then there are those who only liked the killing and T&A. Most of the latter fans were probably really disappointed with the ending just as they were bored with season 4 when the violence went down a bit after 9/11.

The Wire has one, amongst many, things that trumps both those shows... REALITY.

Deadwood is one of the most over rated shows EVER. Its crap.

To put Sorpranos fans into two camps is pretty stupid. I think the show is great (NOT BRILLIANT, at this point Heroes is a better show). I never watched Sorpranos for the killing or TA and to say that I did because I thought the last two seasons were junk is, again, stupid. I watched the show for the characters and story. I also enjoyed laughing at what idiots they all were too. Another thing that hurt the show was the editing, most of the recent shows felt like they were cut and pasted by some intern who had no idea what pacing and tempo were. How about Tony's therapy? You rarely saw the two of them on screen at the same time except when Tony came and left. Lazy TV.

Anon · June 2007

cutback wrote:

i meant to post this article from vanity fair before the finale, but if you haven't read you should.....it gives a lot of insight into how chase developed the show and for me after reading this the ending makes perfect sense......(btw, it's quite a long read).....:)

long read, but well worth it. thanks for the post!

Taft · June 2007

Any one care to comment on the fact that prior to the final scene, Tony is eating an orange with Carmella...

According to IMDB:

The presence of oranges in all three "Godfather" movies indicates that a death or a close call will soon happen.

I can't imagine that is a coincidence.

rrivers · June 2007

WhiteMaleRat wrote:

I think if you read your past posts, you were implying that Tony is dead, and that was the meaning behind the blackout. I have a hard time concluding that.

I was not implying that Tony was dead, I believe that he is. That is what I got out of the ending.

rrivers · June 2007

Taft wrote:

Any one care to comment on the fact that prior to the final scene, Tony is eating an orange with Carmella...

According to IMDB:

The presence of oranges in all three "Godfather" movies indicates that a death or a close call will soon happen.

I can't imagine that is a coincidence.

Excellent point, Taft! I noticed that the first time through and forgot about it with the rest of the show.

I have been meaning to point that out as well. That is another reason I think Tony was killed.

rrivers · June 2007

MasterFramer wrote:

Amen... didnt think Sorpranos fan boys existed till now.

Also Allnightthing, stop saying that people who think the ending was less than ok are people who like "tits and guns" It's asinine. The show is NOT as awesome as you think it is. Its a great show but its far from brilliant like you keep insisting on. Want a brilliant show? Watch The Wire.

This is more of allnitething's arrogant thinking. I'm sure there are many people who enjoyed the show for its intelligence and didn't just want tits and guns who were disappointed in the ending. I was ok with the ending but I can see their point.

WhiteMaleRat · June 2007

Taft wrote:

Any one care to comment on the fact that prior to the final scene, Tony is eating an orange with Carmella...

According to IMDB:

The presence of oranges in all three "Godfather" movies indicates that a death or a close call will soon happen.

I can't imagine that is a coincidence.

I don't remember the orange. it goes from Tony raking by the pool, him visiting his uncle, then to the diner. Maybe it was a lot earlier than you think, was it just before Phil getting whacked?

WhiteMaleRat · June 2007

rrivers wrote:

I was not implying that Tony was dead, I believe that he is. That is what I got out of the ending.

yeah but the way you were posting came off differently.

aNiMaL · June 2007

WhiteMaleRat wrote:

I don't remember the orange. it goes from Tony raking by the pool, him visiting his uncle, then to the diner. Maybe it was a lot earlier than you think, was it just before Phil getting whacked?

It was definitely before Phil got whacked. In fact it was when Tony first showed up at Carmella's beach house that her, Meadow and AJ were hiding out at. He was eating an orange there.

'Sopranos' final season to begin April 8

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