The new 'I f***in' feeel like talking about 'Riot Act' thread.

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  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    RockKing wrote:
    I'm definitely not arguing your point. No doubt about it. Riot Act has a MUCH more generic sound than any other Pearl Jam album. It's just that it's not because of time signature or tuning. It's just basic songwriting. Their songwriting on Riot Act sounds much more forced and much less inspired than the other albums.

    As for drumming, time signature is not a style. Ghost has a 4/4 time signature. But every drummer plays differently within the 4/4 time signature. You can play off the beats on a 4/4 time....Danny Carey from Tool does this all the time. All 4/4 really means is that there are 4 beats to every measure.


    well than alot of people are misguided, and thats a shame.
    Ghost to me is as off timed as i would think
    so i apreciate your input
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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    RockKing wrote:
    I'm definitely not arguing your point. No doubt about it. Riot Act has a MUCH more generic sound than any other Pearl Jam album. It's just that it's not because of time signature or tuning. It's just basic songwriting. Their songwriting on Riot Act sounds much more forced and much less inspired than the other albums.

    Ok, what would you say causes this more "generic sound"?
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  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    I dont no shit about playing guitars except what i hear and what answers i get from questions
    i went to look a that article and its not up anymore, he probably did say tone

    what would be a good example of a pj song that has lower tuning

    I don't really know of any PJ songs that use a lower tuning. For the most part, they are standard, except Stone plays quite a few open tunings. Bands like Alice In Chains and Soundgarden used a lot of lower tunings. AIC was almost exclusively tuned down a half step.

    The thing is, you really want to pay attention to tone. Ten, Vs, and Vitalogy all used a darker or "dirtier" tone, whereas on the more recent albums they've been using a cleaner tone. That really affects the feel of the song. And I think that's the point you're trying to make, yes?
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    well than alot of people are misguided, and thats a shame.
    Ghost to me is as off timed as i would think
    so i apreciate your input

    If you want a hear song thats not in 4/4 listen to Pushin' Forward Back (not Pearl Jam, but close). The song is in 7/4.
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  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    yosi wrote:
    Ok, what would you say causes this more "generic sound"?

    Honestly? I think Stone and Mike weren't quite on the same page on Riot Act. You don't get those weird rhythm parts butting up with Mike's leads on Riot Act. I think Stone was somewhat off his game on Riot Act. I think Riot Act is a very good Mike album, but not a great Stone album. Whereas, in my opinion, I think on 8 Mike and Stone were both on fire.

    The bottom line, though, is that we're still talking about opinion. Maybe the things you like about PJ are different than the things I like about PJ. There's no crime in that. I don't begrudge you for liking Riot Act. I'm just glad that you have a PJ album that means a lot to you, just as I do. Our album preferences are just different, that's all.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    yosi wrote:
    Ok, what would you say causes this more "generic sound"?


    i listened to riot act last night 2 times

    there are songs on that album that to me just seem like more basic rock


    i like them
    it doesnt mean they suck
    it just means alot of the hard core pj fans dont want those kinda songs
    it doesnt makes us less of a fan, i just think their is a large group of people that have grown to expect certain standadrs and that was not it

    maybe its overall production i dont know the perticulars

    but you agreed long ago with me and said this is why you like the album

    in the music world alot of people dont like pearl jam for the way the other albums sound

    its all what you have grown to like and expect

    there is no question these guys do differant things on their albums
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  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    well than alot of people are misguided, and thats a shame.
    Ghost to me is as off timed as i would think
    so i apreciate your input

    And that's fine. Just enjoy the music the way you do. Don't get too wrapped up in the technical aspects of the music. Because, unless you are a drummer trying to play these songs, it's really irrelevant to you what time signature a song is in. All that matters is that you like it. You know?
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    RockKing wrote:
    Honestly? I think Stone and Mike weren't quite on the same page on Riot Act. You don't get those weird rhythm parts butting up with Mike's leads on Riot Act. I think Stone was somewhat off his game on Riot Act. I think Riot Act is a very good Mike album, but not a great Stone album. Whereas, in my opinion, I think on 8 Mike and Stone were both on fire.

    The bottom line, though, is that we're still talking about opinion. Maybe the things you like about PJ are different than the things I like about PJ. There's no crime in that. I don't begrudge you for liking Riot Act. I'm just glad that you have a PJ album that means a lot to you, just as I do. Our album preferences are just different, that's all.


    isnt it safe to say they had this problem on binaurul, but made up for it with creativity
    nais
    of the girl
    sleght of hand
    parting ways
    where on riot act they kept it less creative and it showed more

    i have posted numerous times including in yield thread that stone was not himself on either of thos albums and came back to form on 8
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  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    isnt it safe to say they had this problem on binaurul, but made up for it with creativity
    nais
    of the girl
    sleght of hand
    parting ways
    where on riot act they kept it less creative and it showed more

    i have posted numerous times including in yield thread that stone was not himself on either of thos albums and came back to form on 8

    Um, I actually think that Stone was excellent on Binaural. I think Binaural is the opposite of Riot Act. Riot Act is a great Mike album and a relatively weak Stone album, and I feel like Binaural is an excellent Stone album and a relatively weak Mike album. But 8 is where they finally both got it put back together at the same time, and that's why I think 8 "feels" more like a PJ album than the previous 2.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    IYosis comment of that album sounding like ten and the others I thought was misguided,

    I said I thought it sounded more similar to those albums thane Yield did.
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  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    rival and ghost do show some signs of it but han the continuity with mike was missing so the debth in those 2 becomes short

    i love stones rif work
    that is the heart of pj
    after eds voice
    when ed chooses to sing diferantly and stone chooses to do diferant hings it leaves a void
    jef, mike and matt are great i love them but their work I can compare to the rest of what i have listened too for 20 years
    and it doesnt makes as much a diferance for me than the other 2
    it doesnt mean i dont love their stuff it just means the other 2 touch me alil more
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  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    RockKing wrote:
    And that's fine. Just enjoy the music the way you do. Don't get too wrapped up in the technical aspects of the music. Because, unless you are a drummer trying to play these songs, it's really irrelevant to you what time signature a song is in. All that matters is that you like it. You know?


    yes but like anything in life you spend time talking about you want to have some sense of acuracy
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  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    yosi wrote:
    I said I thought it sounded more similar to those albums thane Yield did.

    I agree that Riot Act sounds more like Ten than YIELD does. But then again, I think Ten was not exactly a creative peak for the band, either. I think Ten and Riot Act are both pretty straight forward rock albums. No Code and YIELD are the band's 2 most experimental albums, in my opinion.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    isnt it safe to say they had this problem on binaurul, but made up for it with creativity
    nais
    of the girl
    sleght of hand
    parting ways
    where on riot act they kept it less creative and it showed more

    i have posted numerous times including in yield thread that stone was not himself on either of thos albums and came back to form on 8


    See, the only problem I have with this post is the use of the word creativity. I think that that is too subjectvie. Otherwise I totally agree, but who's to say what is more creative, its a matter of taste.
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  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    yes but like anything in life you spend time talking about you want to have some sense of acuracy

    I understand. And that's why I wanted to correct some of your inaccuracies in your use of terminology.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    RockKing wrote:
    Um, I actually think that Stone was excellent on Binaural. I think Binaural is the opposite of Riot Act. Riot Act is a great Mike album and a relatively weak Stone album, and I feel like Binaural is an excellent Stone album and a relatively weak Mike album. But 8 is where they finally both got it put back together at the same time, and that's why I think 8 "feels" more like a PJ album than the previous 2.


    well maybee opinions get in the middle there, but it had the same result

    where do you think stone did well on binaurul
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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    RockKing wrote:
    I agree that Riot Act sounds more like Ten than YIELD does. But then again, I think Ten was not exactly a creative peak for the band, either. I think Ten and Riot Act are both pretty straight forward rock albums. No Code and YIELD are the band's 2 most experimental albums, in my opinion.

    I hear that. I made that comment in reference to saying that I thought that Riot Act was darker than Yield. It was part of a long conversation.

    I would definitely agree with you that I think No Code is the band's experimental album. I kind of feel like Riot Act was their mature, we're classic rock now, album.
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  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    well maybee opinions get in the middle there, but it had the same result

    where do you think stone did well on binaurul

    Rival, Light Years, Of The Girl, Grievance, Insignificance, Breakerfall. But yes, it had the same result. This is why Binaural and Riot Act are my 2 least favorite PJ albums.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    yosi wrote:
    I said I thought it sounded more similar to those albums thane Yield did.


    well again thats opinion
    sound can be measured in alot of ways
    cant keep lbc do have some ten in it

    i think yield reminds me of classic pj
    but its opinion
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  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    yosi wrote:
    I hear that. I made that comment in reference to saying that I thought that Riot Act was darker than Yield. It was part of a long conversation.

    I would definitely agree with you that I think No Code is the band's experimental album. I kind of feel like Riot Act was their mature, we're classic rock now, album.

    I agree completely.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH

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