'Sopranos' final season to begin April 8

AllNiteThing · June 2007

Champagne Breakfast wrote:

Interesting theory about the Sopranos

Tony was killed....

in fact, the ending was genius if you've paid attention to the show or
are
just a fan of well developed well thought out plots that all tie
together
and have the memory of a champ to remember it all

the ending was simple, he got killed, but let me tell yall why and
explain
in detail... There was 3 people in the room total who had a reason to
kill
tony.....

the two black guys, they were paid before to kill tony but he was only
shot
in the ear, this was in one of the earlier seasons,

also in the earlier seasons, the trucker who was sitting at the bar
stool,
who the camera kept focusing in on, is Nikki leotardo, Phil Leotardos
nephew, he was in one of the early season episodes where Phil and Tony
have
a sit down....

heres where the genius comes in....

When tonys walking in the diner,you see the camera focus on him, then it
switches to his perspective, and you see him looking @ the booth hes
gonna
sit at...

then the camera switches back to tonys face, then it once again switches
to
his perspective, and it shows him looking @ the door and looking @ the
people come in..... Everytime the door opens the Chimes sound.......
Carmela walks in, Chimes, AJ walks in Chimes, this when Meadows parallel
parking, still trying to get inside the restaurant....

at this point the camera switches back to the trucker who goes in the
bathroom......

Then it goes to a scene where meadow finally parks and starts running in
the
diner....

the doors about to open, Tony looks up....

and No Chimes......................

No Music............

Everything just goes black...............

In one of the early episodes of the sopranos, tonys talking with bobby
about
what it must feel like to die..

Bobby says "at the end, you probably dont hear anything, everything just
goes black"

part of that was revisited in the second to last episode during the last
seconds of it, when tonys about to go to sleep and he flashes back to
the
memory of him and bobby on the boat... "You probably dont hear anything
everything just goes black"

so in the end, the Journey song was playing, the chimes on the door
sounded
but when meadow came in, the guy in the trucker hat came out and killed
tony...

its the reason you aint hear, or see shit when he died.... it was from
his
perspective.... and everything went black, then the credits rolled

So many holes....

first, prove to me those actors are the same people. I've read this too, but have yet to see PROOF. Just imaginative speculation.

Second, there WERE chimes when Meadow enters the restaurant, that is why Tony looks up before the end. Actually, just read this again, and whoever created this contradicted themself about the chimes.

Third, Phil and Tony never had a 'sit down' in the earlier season. Phil didn't come on the show until season 5, and him and Tony didn't really start going at it until 6A.

Fourth, what does his conversation with Bobby in the 1st episode of this season have to do with it? It was brought up in the Blue Comet again to reference Bobby's death, and the irony of it all!

Lastly, all of the points brought up are a complete stretch to conclude that Tony was shot at the end. The most logical meaning to it all was showing the tension that this life brings, the uncertainty of it all, the ever present threat of death (or imprisonment), etc. Tony can go out in any number of ways, all equally valid and that is the point. This life he has chosen has consequences, one of which is that neither you nor your family is safe. Tony was at peace with his family in this scene, but it was WE who were paranoid. For once more than Tony, and that is the genius of the show. WE were sucked into the world one final amazing and complete time. When the screen went black, WE were whacked from their life through the tv, and we didn't see it coming. Pure genius.

MasterFramer · June 2007

Every time the door opened Tony kept reaching for something under the table... he seemed stressed and not at "peace" so to say... and brilliance? If you want to call cop -out writing brilliance go ahead, I call it sloppy and lazy just like the rest of the season... and the audience got “whacked”? That is so cheesy, where did you hear that? Entertainment Tonight? :rolleyes:

Garden Dogg · June 2007

AllNiteThing wrote:

No shit. Did you even read my post? I was replying to what I heard previously regarding spoilers. You don't think hearing he dies in a car accident a couple months back is a spoiler? Oooooh, sorry I didn't say he was in an accident AND Tony chokes him. You know, I did hear that too, but didn't feel the need to post it. Sorry I didn't pass the tests of Captain Obvious over here. :rolleyes:

take it easy and fuckin relax. i didn't realize you were referring to previous spoilers. sorry i made such a grave and fatal error. i should be shot.

MasterFramer · June 2007

Garden Dogg wrote:

take it easy and fuckin relax. i didn't realize you were referring to previous spoilers. sorry i made such a grave and fatal error. i should be shot.

No David Chase should be shot for being a coward

Garden Dogg · June 2007

MasterFramer wrote:

No David Chase should be shot for being a coward

i just wonder if that guy talks such a tough game in real life or just on message boards.

MasterFramer · June 2007

Garden Dogg wrote:

i just wonder if that guy talks such a tough game in real life or just on message boards.

you know the answer to that question...

AllNiteThing · June 2007

MasterFramer wrote:

Every time the door opened Tony kept reaching for something under the table...

Bullshit. I just watched it again, he's not 'reaching' for anything. The only reaching is you with your excuses to why it sucked.

MasterFramer wrote:

he seemed stressed and not at "peace" so to say...

Again bullshit. He didn't act out of the ordinary with Carm, made idle chit chat, browses the menu, smiled at AJ, touched his hand for Christ's sake. The ONLY stress he showed with the 5 or so seconds he mentioned the federal indictments. Other than that...come on! Nothing out of the ordinary. Just a normal family outing, finally all being together, AJ happy and Meadow talking marriage.

MasterFramer wrote:

and brilliance? If you want to call cop -out writing brilliance go ahead, I call it sloppy and lazy just like the rest of the season...

Bullshit. I'll give it to you that it's your opinion, but you obviously haven't been watching the same show as I if you think this is 'crap'. Maybe you just get a hard on whenever there's blood or a pair of tits and you don't realize the underlying significance and symbolism put into much of the show.

MasterFramer wrote:

and the audience got “whacked”? That is so cheesy, where did you hear that? Entertainment Tonight? :rolleyes:

Maybe cheesy to you, but a very good analogy. I think Chase was giving that scene to the audience more so than any other. I've read this explanation elsewhere, so I give it to you that it's not my original thought, but I found it compelling enough to repeat. If anything, the Entertainment Tonight's of the world would cater to YOU 'lowest common denominator' thirst for the simple ending, i.e. killed, arrested, heart attack. People nowadays want instant gratification, they don't want to think and they revel in simplicity and lazy thought.

AllNiteThing · June 2007

Garden Dogg wrote:

take it easy and fuckin relax. i didn't realize you were referring to previous spoilers. sorry i made such a grave and fatal error. i should be shot.

Don't be so smug next time and you won't catch flack for it.

Garden Dogg · June 2007

AllNiteThing wrote:

Don't be so smug next time and you won't catch flack for it.

don't misinterpret my tone and you won't have to act like such a tough guy.

AllNiteThing · June 2007

MasterFramer wrote:

you know the answer to that question...

I haven't seen this much man love since Vito and Johnny Cakes. :rolleyes:

Take it easy with the reacharounds guys.

MasterFramer · June 2007

AllNiteThing wrote:

Don't be so smug next time and you won't catch flack for it.

Ok tough guy! How's the view swinging from Chase's nut sack?

AllNiteThing · June 2007

Garden Dogg wrote:

don't misinterpret my tone and you won't have to act like such a tough guy.

If you can't take being talked to, you need to relax. Easy on the roids and the tough-guy bs talk. No I don't want to fight you, no I don't give a shit if you're offended and no I'm not going to read your posts the way you want me to. lol :rolleyes: No wonder people like you don't get this show. Bunch of meat heads.

MasterFramer · June 2007

AllNiteThing wrote:

If you can't take being talked to, you need to relax. Easy on the roids and the tough-guy bs talk. No I don't want to fight you, no I don't give a shit if you're offended and no I'm not going to read your posts the way you want me to. lol :rolleyes: No wonder people like you don't get this show. Bunch of meat heads.

Can you believe this fucking guy? Making opinions about a TV show personal? Nice... what a waste of time.

AllNiteThing · June 2007

MasterFramer wrote:

Ok tough guy! How's the view swinging from Chase's nut sack?

Of course...typical. I rip your 'theory' (cough..hack) apart and you've got nothin'. Case closed.

Garden Dogg · June 2007

AllNiteThing wrote:

No wonder people like you don't get this show. Bunch of meat heads.

where do you get that i don't get the show? you really are a presumptuous ass.

MasterFramer · June 2007

AllNiteThing wrote:

Of course...typical. I rip your 'theory' (cough..hack) apart and you've got nothin'. Case closed.

You didnt rip anything but your ass open and a bunch of shit fell on the floor and you tried to make sense of it... still doesnt change the fact that you're swinging from his nuts...

AllNiteThing · June 2007

MasterFramer wrote:

Can you believe this fucking guy? Making opinions about a TV show personal? Nice... what a waste of time.

Hmmm, I remember you jumping on my theory, keeping to myself MIND YOU, and calling it ridiculous, what did you say? Where did you hear that...Entertainment Tonite? :rolleyes:

Exactly.

You're the waste of time, jumping on me for my opinion on the show, first of all, and then jumping on me for the way this other jagoff acts.

AllNiteThing · June 2007

MasterFramer wrote:

You didnt rip anything but your ass open and a bunch of shit fell on the floor and you tried to make sense of it... still doesnt change the fact that you're swinging from his nuts...

*moment I realize I'm talking to a 14 year old. End discussion*

AllNiteThing · June 2007

Garden Dogg wrote:

where do you get that i don't get the show? you really are a presumptuous ass.

Relax, it's a show.

Songburst · June 2007

AllNiteThing wrote:

So many holes....

first, prove to me those actors are the same people. I've read this too, but have yet to see PROOF. Just imaginative speculation.

Second, there WERE chimes when Meadow enters the restaurant, that is why Tony looks up before the end. Actually, just read this again, and whoever created this contradicted themself about the chimes.

Third, Phil and Tony never had a 'sit down' in the earlier season. Phil didn't come on the show until season 5, and him and Tony didn't really start going at it until 6A.

Fourth, what does his conversation with Bobby in the 1st episode of this season have to do with it? It was brought up in the Blue Comet again to reference Bobby's death, and the irony of it all!

Lastly, all of the points brought up are a complete stretch to conclude that Tony was shot at the end. The most logical meaning to it all was showing the tension that this life brings, the uncertainty of it all, the ever present threat of death (or imprisonment), etc. Tony can go out in any number of ways, all equally valid and that is the point. This life he has chosen has consequences, one of which is that neither you nor your family is safe. Tony was at peace with his family in this scene, but it was WE who were paranoid. For once more than Tony, and that is the genius of the show. WE were sucked into the world one final amazing and complete time. When the screen went black, WE were whacked from their life through the tv, and we didn't see it coming. Pure genius.

Worst. Episode. Ever.

I like the "We were whacked" angle that you propose though. It was the only way the show could end. Tony getting killed was way too predictable and a jail finale has been done before. I never really cared for this show too much but I still tuned in last night for some reason.

'Sopranos' final season to begin April 8

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