'Sopranos' final season to begin April 8

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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    I have watched it twice now and my opinion is also that Tony was killed. I just keep going back to the scene with Tony and Bobby in the boat talking about death and Bobby says something like "you probably dont even know when it happens". Tony was flashing back to that scene when he was alone in his room in the safe house.

    He's sitting in the diner with all of those possiblities of which person is gonna be the one to do it, AJ is talking about reflecting on the good times in your life, he has just had the head of the NY family killed, it only makes sense to me that he gets killed and at the moment it happens, the screen goes black, there is silence, the lights go out, its all over.

    It is frustrating to not have a definitive answer, but at the same time, brilliant to leave it up to interpretation. And also to leave us all wondering if someday they will bring it back, make a movie, tie up some of the loose ends. Its always been a giant step above the rest of the crap on television.

    I just want to go back now from the very first episode and relive the whole show over again.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    Dollpartz wrote:
    I have watched it twice now and my opinion is also that Tony was killed. I just keep going back to the scene with Tony and Bobby in the boat talking about death and Bobby says something like "you probably dont even know when it happens". Tony was flashing back to that scene when he was alone in his room in the safe house.

    He's sitting in the diner with all of those possiblities of which person is gonna be the one to do it, AJ is talking about reflecting on the good times in your life, he has just had the head of the NY family killed, it only makes sense to me that he gets killed and at the moment it happens, the screen goes black, there is silence, the lights go out, its all over.

    It is frustrating to not have a definitive answer, but at the same time, brilliant to leave it up to interpretation. And also to leave us all wondering if someday they will bring it back, make a movie, tie up some of the loose ends. Its always been a giant step above the rest of the crap on television.

    I just want to go back now from the very first episode and relive the whole show over again.
    I don't think T got whacked in the end at all. I think life will just go forth for the Sopranos family...we just won't be able to tune in anymore to watch.

    I think after watching it for the 2nd time last night that it was a brilliant ending.

    I too am ready to start the entire series over again.
  • pjfanatic4
    pjfanatic4 Posts: 127
    Dollpartz wrote:
    I have watched it twice now and my opinion is also that Tony was killed. I just keep going back to the scene with Tony and Bobby in the boat talking about death and Bobby says something like "you probably dont even know when it happens". Tony was flashing back to that scene when he was alone in his room in the safe house.

    He's sitting in the diner with all of those possiblities of which person is gonna be the one to do it, AJ is talking about reflecting on the good times in your life, he has just had the head of the NY family killed, it only makes sense to me that he gets killed and at the moment it happens, the screen goes black, there is silence, the lights go out, its all over.

    It is frustrating to not have a definitive answer, but at the same time, brilliant to leave it up to interpretation. And also to leave us all wondering if someday they will bring it back, make a movie, tie up some of the loose ends. Its always been a giant step above the rest of the crap on television.

    I just want to go back now from the very first episode and relive the whole show over again.

    Good point.

    This is what keeps me from buying the "Tony gets whacked theory". The final scene has these characters that may or may not have been in previous episodes. The fact is that Tony would have many, many people wanting him dead, so that kind of turns it irrelevant. But here is where I don't buy it. The final image before the screen goes black is Tony's face. I think that if he were whacked, it would make sense that the final image would be of the door, maybe as Meadow is coming in, making it go black from Tony's perspective, not the viewer's perspective. I think the audience/viewers got whacked, not Tony, because of this. I've watched it again, and the final image is of Tony, not the door.

    That is my take, which is why I more and more think it was a brilliant ending. We could keep talking about it forever.
  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    pjfanatic4 wrote:
    Good point.

    This is what keeps me from buying the "Tony gets whacked theory". The final scene has these characters that may or may not have been in previous episodes. The fact is that Tony would have many, many people wanting him dead, so that kind of turns it irrelevant. But here is where I don't buy it. The final image before the screen goes black is Tony's face. I think that if he were whacked, it would make sense that the final image would be of the door, maybe as Meadow is coming in, making it go black from Tony's perspective, not the viewer's perspective. I think the audience/viewers got whacked, not Tony, because of this. I've watched it again, and the final image is of Tony, not the door.

    That is my take, which is why I more and more think it was a brilliant ending. We could keep talking about it forever.

    The viewers getting whacked makes no sense at all to me, and does not fit in at all with how the series has gone. I have not watched the scene frame by frame, but I thought the final shot was of Meadow walking in.
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • pjfanatic4
    pjfanatic4 Posts: 127
    rrivers wrote:
    The viewers getting whacked makes no sense at all to me, and does not fit in at all with how the series has gone. I have not watched the scene frame by frame, but I thought the final shot was of Meadow walking in.

    Well if you think of it in the way that Tony's life will go on, only you won't be invited to observe or be part of it, you in essence, have been whacked. That is my interpretation.

    Check out the final scene. The last image is Tony. Meadow is not shown going through the door.
  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    pjfanatic4 wrote:
    Well if you think of it in the way that Tony's life will go on, only you won't be invited to observe or be part of it, you in essence, have been whacked. That is my interpretation.

    Check out the final scene. The last image is Tony. Meadow is not shown going through the door.

    Just thinking of Chase pitching the idea that "the audience got whacked" is way too silly for me. If that was the thought behind the scene, then the ending really sucks. That would be a total cop out of lowering the curtain before the final scene is done.

    I believe you that the final scene is of Tony.

    The overwhelming thing that makes me believe that Tony got killed was the whole Bobby/Tony conversation about everything going black. The fact that they replayed that when Tony was in the safehouse was a brilliant setup for the final scene of the series. When they played it, it looks like Tony is just remembering Bobby, but maybe he is really pondering his own mortality. Then to see the screen go black at the end of the finale, fits in with Tony getting killed there.
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • WhiteMaleRat
    WhiteMaleRat Posts: 302
    pjfanatic4 wrote:
    Good point.

    This is what keeps me from buying the "Tony gets whacked theory". The final scene has these characters that may or may not have been in previous episodes. The fact is that Tony would have many, many people wanting him dead, so that kind of turns it irrelevant. But here is where I don't buy it. The final image before the screen goes black is Tony's face. I think that if he were whacked, it would make sense that the final image would be of the door, maybe as Meadow is coming in, making it go black from Tony's perspective, not the viewer's perspective. I think the audience/viewers got whacked, not Tony, because of this. I've watched it again, and the final image is of Tony, not the door.

    That is my take, which is why I more and more think it was a brilliant ending. We could keep talking about it forever.

    what's key is the look on Tony's face that last image, it is essentially the same look he had whenever anyone walked through the door, during that whole scene. It was nothing different.....to me nothing really happened.
    "This guy back here is giving me the ole one more....one more back to you buddy."

    - Mr. Edward Vedder 7/11/03


  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    The screen going blank, in no way shape or form implies that Tony got killed. It just was the very end of a fantastic series.

    Thats the way I see it.
  • FnCircus
    FnCircus Posts: 439
    so many different individual scenarios in this thread........I think Chase got what he wanted.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    F'n_Circus wrote:
    so many different individual scenarios in this thread........I think Chase got what he wanted.

    exactly......:)
  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    aNiMaL wrote:
    The screen going blank, in no way shape or form implies that Tony got killed. It just was the very end of a fantastic series.

    Thats the way I see it.

    Except for the shape and form of the conversation with Bobby and the remembering of it the episode before.
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • pjfanatic4
    pjfanatic4 Posts: 127
    F'n_Circus wrote:
    so many different individual scenarios in this thread........I think Chase got what he wanted.

    Bingo!
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    rrivers wrote:
    Except for the shape and form of the conversation with Bobby and the remembering of it the episode before.
    That had to do with Bobby dying....not Tony about to die.

    It makes way more sense that Tony was reminiscing about Bobby seeing how he just died rather than Chase hinting that Tony was going to die because Tony was thinking about that conversation with bobby. That makes no sense to me at all. As the story line went, Bobby dies and Tony remembered about when Bobby talked about dying.
  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    aNiMaL wrote:
    That had to do with Bobby dying....not Tony about to die.

    It makes way more sense that Tony was reminiscing about Bobby seeing how he just died rather than Chase hinting that Tony was going to die because Tony was thinking about that conversation with bobby. That makes no sense to me at all. As the story line went, Bobby dies and Tony remembered about when Bobby talked about dying.


    On the surface, yes. But if you look at the big picture, they were setting the viewers up for the scene going to black. It is foreshadowing. How can that not make sense at all?
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    rrivers wrote:
    On the surface, yes. But if you look at the big picture, they were setting the viewers up for the scene going to black. It is foreshadowing. How can that not make sense at all?
    Because it was Tony who was having the memories. On all surfaces it only makes sense that he was reflecting on Bobby's life.

    Tony didn't die.
  • Atomic Punk
    Atomic Punk Posts: 2,941
    I think when Tony was lying in bed at the safe house he was not thinking about Bobby dying but rather thinking that because of everything going on that his number was close to being up and that's why he thought of the conversation with Bobby.

    I think Tony died at the end
  • Garden Dogg
    Garden Dogg Posts: 226
    Atomic Punk wrote:
    I think when Tony was lying in bed at the safe house he was not thinking about Bobby dying but rather thinking that because of everything going on that his number was close to being up and that's why he thought of the conversation with Bobby.

    exactly...that, and i think the fact that he was clutching the assault rifle that bobby gave him as a birthday present was another reminder of that day upstate with bobby.
    "let's hug it out, bitch."

    "and onward goes this thing of ours."
  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    Atomic Punk wrote:
    I think when Tony was lying in bed at the safe house he was not thinking about Bobby dying but rather thinking that because of everything going on that his number was close to being up and that's why he thought of the conversation with Bobby.

    I think Tony died at the end

    Of course he died. Once you look at the big picture from previous episodes it points more to him dying than anything else.

    Yes, the assault rifle is a reminder of Bobby. He also was in a safehouse trying to save his own life, which in Holsten's he wasn't able to do.
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    rrivers wrote:
    On the surface, yes. But if you look at the big picture, they were setting the viewers up for the scene going to black. It is foreshadowing. How can that not make sense at all?


    It makes sense, yes, but it's a stretch to apply it. I can definitely see where some would get that idea, but it's not obvious, even when you look at all of the symbolism and 'big picture'. Certainly a valid interpretation though, and I think that's exactly what Chase wanted.
    24 years old, mid-life crisis
    nowadays hits you when you're young
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    rrivers wrote:
    Of course he died. Once you look at the big picture from previous episodes it points more to him dying than anything else.

    Yes, the assault rifle is a reminder of Bobby. He also was in a safehouse trying to save his own life, which in Holsten's he wasn't able to do.


    One could also say that with all of the talk about the FBI and rats throughout the entire series, and with his comment to Carm at the end, you could say that he gets indicted the next day and goes to jail. Just as equally valid as him getting shot. Just because they put all of these menacing shots in at the end doesn't mean it logically led to his murder. It was an obvious set up by the director. Putting the dread on us. One last reminder about the life they live, one last reminder about the amazing drama and setup this show has given us and one last look at the uncertainty Tony continually faces.

    It just represented that at ANY moment he could be clipped, he could be indicted or things could just go on like normal. That was the 'meaning' of the final scene, and honestly it couldn't have gone anywhere else. If he was shot at the end, people would complain that it was too abrupt...'what happened next?!?!'. If he was indicted people would say....'What happened next?!?!'. Doing it the way they did was amazing. The show could have ended with Tony and Junior. That was the 'present' that Chase gave us to end the series. The episode ended there. The final 5 minutes was sort of an homage to us and to the series. It showed the best of the show, the tension, etc. We were all on the edge of our seats, not knowing what to expect, and then ... bam. 'We didn't even see it coming'. Those flashbacks were more about us and our 'whacking' from the Soprano world than any 'hollywood' ending brought upon Tony.

    Don't search too hard for finality....you'll miss the beauty of the ending.
    24 years old, mid-life crisis
    nowadays hits you when you're young

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