'Sopranos' final season to begin April 8

mammasan wrote:

Well if he did say "I get it" then yes that moment was way more profound and about more than him just getting rid of Chris. Maybe you, and the others who have mentioned it, are right. It was about Tony finally realizing what he has to do to right things in his life. For some reason though I can't see Tony walking away from the mob just like that.

robis726 wrote:

That's what I thought too...but on many of the boards today, they are discussing "I GET it." Can anyone with subtitles on clear this up?

Steve Dunne wrote:

I thought he said "I did it" just so he could hear himself admit it to someone. Whether he felt guilty or not, he was surrounded by grief from his family and his crew over Chris' death. I just thought it was his way of clearing his conscience, and screaming it in the middle of the desert seemed to justify his guilt.

Anyone else pick up on his first session with Melfi when he basically said he murdered people? Was I hearing things?

I agree with the aforementioned 'easy way out' on getting Chris off the show. Again, I wish it was AJ who bit it.

AllNiteThing wrote:

Knowing David Chase, I think it goes way deeper than that.

Think about the themes and conversations in this season (including part 1). Him in the hospital with that Indian saying about how a great wind carries us all. That other patient who described us all as connected, watching the 2 boxers. Everything is the same and intertwined, we just percieve it all to be different. He's constantly talking about how his line of work ends up badly. There are many scenes of him being silent and contemplative, even if for a few seconds, all throughout this season. Much different than previous seasons. You can see him rethinking his lifestyle, thinking about consequences long term, spiritually and life-wise. There is a lot of subtle philosophical thinking going on. That Kevin Finnerty coma really affected him and made him think about his place in the world, where he's going, what's it doing to the people around him, etc etc.

All of that leads to the last few episodes. He realizes that everyone around him is a 'murderer' as he put it. His luck is bottom of the barrel. Then when Chris is out of the picture, Tony sees that Chris' daughter has a chance to grow up now, nobody will be hurt by Chris. In a way, Tony has done some good (in a twisted way). The peyote puts him in a trance where I think he only half knows what he's saying. He (perhaps unconsciously) refers to the roulette table as the solar system (i.e. the universe, karma, energy, etc). His luck is out of this world and he associates it with Chris being gone (thought not completely putting it together).

The final scene he's looking right into the sun and it flashes at him like his dream/coma. Chris leaving has created positive energy, all the negativity and destruction that Chris created is now gone. Tony realizes that if he wants salvation, or if he wants to live a normal life and/or have his family be safe, then he has to GET OUT. However it happens, whoever has to go, he has to rid his life of the negative karma he surrounds himself with. The great wind. We're all connected. He gets it.

AllNiteThing wrote:

Thanks. It's an ongoing process. There's a lot of subtlety in this show and the direction it's going. David Chase is incredibly creative. I love the storytelling, the little 'inside jokes' and continuity, the double entendres, malapropisms, philosophy and everything in between. That's what makes this show great. You can watch it for the mob aspect, realism and grit but you can also dig deeper and find such a wealth of storytelling arc and development. Like a detailed, intricate mosaic.

mookie blaylock 10 wrote:

totally agree. there is as much that is often significant in this show that goes unsaid. sometimes we're left with a look, a single comment, or gesture to try to piece together the puzzle. i've always enjoyed that part of the show, that it's up to the viewers' interpretations to round it out. brilliant and beautiful stuff.

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Kinda like the look when Tony walked out of Hesh' house after he paid him the 200K. His look, to me, said "you got your
200K, but I killed your girlfriend!"

I like when they revisit the past, like when they hung with Beans in FL, or when Tony told Christopher to call the landscaper (the one Paulie stuck up for several seasons ago)) after Pauli mangled his lawn!

AllNiteThing wrote:

No way on the first part!!! She died of a stroke (as per hbo.com and her 'migraines'). His look was all about what he said to Carm earlier about him, in reality, being 'up'. It goes with the whole theme I alluded to earlier. He's still alive, he's got his family. No matter how much he gambles and loses, or how much shit goes on around him and in his business, he's still 'up'. He survived a gunshot wound and he's healthy and so is his family. He owed Hesh a lot of money and fretted about it, but at the end he realized that compared to Hesh (losing a loved one), Tony is WAY ahead.

This plays with the theme that he wants out and he needs to get out of the business, or he'll lose the ultimate gamble - life. He keeps 'chasing it' (that next high), but all the negativity around him will ultimately catch up to him (or his family). This whole second half of the season is about consequences (according to Chase), thus it's about T recognizing there are consequences to one's actions (negative karma??).

AllNiteThing wrote:

Good question.


I've read many spoilers, none of which seemed to pan out, though one did describe Chris' death, though as part of the last episode, so not sure how it's panning out. Most of them sound like bs though. That said, the more I watch, the more I think Tony will survive. There's too much growth and purpose in his character recently for him to end up riddle with bullets at the end. I think Phil has to go. Probably someone in Tony's family (AJ/Meadow) and definitely Paulie. That one episode with him and T on the boat, along with Paulie's Big Pussy dream, he's a definite goner. I think Sil will survive. Bobby might be out too.