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Some of the things that this "grid" system has helped do to sustain a country...
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harmless_little_f*** wrote:Of course I'll be using supermarkets, but when I go there I *hope* I'll be able to find organic and fresh products as much as possible.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/48-whole-foods-and-grocery-co-ops/
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#48 Whole Foods and Grocery Co-ops
February 3, 2008 by clander
White people need organic food to survive, and where they purchase this food is as important as what they purchase. In modern white person culture, Whole Foods has replaces churches and cathedrals as the most important and relevant buildings in the community.
There are some regions that do not have Whole Foods, but do have an abundance of white people (college towns), in these situations Whole Foods can be substituted with a local co-op grocery store where you have to pay a membership to shop there.
All of these stores are pretty much the same - lots of vegetables, grain fed free range meat and eggs, and soy everything. They are also characterized by an outrageously large section of vitamins, supplements, and natural oils. There are natural, handmade soaps which give these stores a unique and uniform smell.
Many white people consider shopping at Whole Foods to be a religious experience, allowing them feel good about their consumption. The use of paper bags, biodegradable packaging, and the numerous pamphlets outlining the company’s police on hormones, genetically modified food and energy savings. This is in spite of the fact that Whole Foods is a profit driven-publicly traded corporation that has wisely discovered that making white people feel good about buying stuff is outrageously profitable.
As you walk through Whole Foods/Co-op you will see white people pushing carts buying things like Flaxseed Oil, wine, Tofu versions of meat, and organic kohlrabi. They also provide prepared foods, that single white people often purchase to avoid cooking.
This is important information, as this section of the store is loaded with single white people.
These stores are excellent for bringing children, as there is nothing that they actually want.
“Oh, mommy, look chocolate!”
“No Joshua, that’s carob.”
“I want it.”
“Ok.”
The child will then take a bite and realize that nothing in the store can be trusted.Do you remember Rock & Roll Radio?0 -
fanch75 wrote:http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/48-whole-foods-and-grocery-co-ops/
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#48 Whole Foods and Grocery Co-ops
February 3, 2008 by clander
White people need organic food to survive, and where they purchase this food is as important as what they purchase. In modern white person culture, Whole Foods has replaces churches and cathedrals as the most important and relevant buildings in the community.
There are some regions that do not have Whole Foods, but do have an abundance of white people (college towns), in these situations Whole Foods can be substituted with a local co-op grocery store where you have to pay a membership to shop there.
All of these stores are pretty much the same - lots of vegetables, grain fed free range meat and eggs, and soy everything. They are also characterized by an outrageously large section of vitamins, supplements, and natural oils. There are natural, handmade soaps which give these stores a unique and uniform smell.
Many white people consider shopping at Whole Foods to be a religious experience, allowing them feel good about their consumption. The use of paper bags, biodegradable packaging, and the numerous pamphlets outlining the company’s police on hormones, genetically modified food and energy savings. This is in spite of the fact that Whole Foods is a profit driven-publicly traded corporation that has wisely discovered that making white people feel good about buying stuff is outrageously profitable.
As you walk through Whole Foods/Co-op you will see white people pushing carts buying things like Flaxseed Oil, wine, Tofu versions of meat, and organic kohlrabi. They also provide prepared foods, that single white people often purchase to avoid cooking.
This is important information, as this section of the store is loaded with single white people.
These stores are excellent for bringing children, as there is nothing that they actually want.
“Oh, mommy, look chocolate!”
“No Joshua, that’s carob.”
“I want it.”
“Ok.”
The child will then take a bite and realize that nothing in the store can be trusted.
Is there anything you've got to contribute other than 'what white people like' articles? You haven't answered my questions I asked last time.'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
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There are two sides to every coinchromiam wrote:Some of the things that this "grid" system has helped do to sustain a country...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal#Notable_New_Deal_programs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_regeneration
Urban Renewal (similar to Urban Regeneration in British English) is a controversial U.S. program of land re-development in areas of moderate to high density urban land use. This process began as an intense phase in the late 1940's and continued into the late 1970's with traces of it still occurring in the early 1980's. It has a major impact on the urban landscape. Similar mechanisms play an important role in the history and demographics of cities around the world, including; Beijing, China, Melbourne, Victoria; Saint John, New Brunswick; Glasgow, Scotland; Boston, Massachusetts; Warsaw; San Francisco, California; and Bilbao, Spain. Commonly cited examples include Canary Wharf, in London, and Cardiff in Wales.
Urban renewal is extremely controversial, and typically involves the destruction of businesses, the relocation of people, and the use of eminent domain (known as Compulsory Purchase in the UK) as a legal instrument to reclaim private property for city-initiated development projects. The justifications often used for Urban Renewal include the "renewal" of residential slums, blighted commercial and industrial areas. In the 1960's James Baldwin famously dubbed Urban Renewal "Negro Removal". [1][2][3].
In the second half of the 20th century, renewal often resulted in the creation of urban sprawl and vast areas of cities being demolished and replaced by freeways and expressways, housing projects, and vacant lots, some of which still remain vacant at the beginning of the 21st century.[4]
Urban renewal's effect on actual revitalization is a subject of intense debate. It is seen by proponents as an economic engine, and by opponents as a regressive mechanism for enriching the wealthy at the expense of taxpayers and the poor. It carries a high cost to existing communities, and in many cases resulted in the destruction of vibrant—if run-down —neighborhoods.
Urban renewal in its original form has been called a failure by many urban planners and civic leaders, and has since been reformulated with a focus on redevelopment of existing communities. However, many cities link the revitalization of the central business district and gentrification of residential neighborhoods to earlier urban renewal programs. Over time, urban renewal evolved into a policy based less on destruction and more on renovation and investment, and today is an integral part of many local governments, often combined with small and big business incentives. But even in this adapted form, Urban Renewal projects are still widely accused of abuse and corruption.A human being that was given to fly.
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chromiam wrote:Some of the things that this "grid" system has helped do to sustain a country...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal#Notable_New_Deal_programs
Thankyou for that. I found this part particularly interesting:
Prolonged/worsened the Depression
Virtually all historians believe that the New Deal helped resolve the Great Depression, but economists are less certain, with a substantial minority believing that it either had no great impact or worsened the depression.[35] A 1995 survey of economic historians asked whether "Taken as a whole, government policies of the New Deal served to lengthen and deepen the Great Depression." Of those in economics departments 27% agreed, 22% agreed 'with provisos' (what provisos the survey does not state) and 51% disagreed. Of those in history departments, only 27% agreed and 74% disagreed. [1]
The minority view is represented by Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian who argue that the "New Deal labor and industrial policies did not lift the economy out of the Depression as President Roosevelt and his economic planners had hoped," but that the "New Deal policies are an important contributing factor to the persistence of the Great Depression." They claim that the New Deal "cartelization policies are a key factor behind the weak recovery." They say that the "abandonment of these policies coincided with the strong economic recovery of the 1940s."[36] Lowell E. Gallaway and Richard K. Vedder argue that the "Great Depression was very significantly prolonged in both its duration and its magnitude by the impact of New Deal programs." They suggest that without Social Security, work relief, unemployment insurance, mandatory minimum wages, and without special government-granted privileges for labor unions, business would have hired more workers and the unemployment rate during the New Deal years would have been 6.7% instead of 17.2%.[37]'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
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So basically, government-pushed urban renewal projects actually increase poverty and do nothing to help reverse economic downturns. It even perpetuates poverty because it causes government dependence. Not only that, it increases spending, increases the size of government, and increases government waste & corruption since it is awash in cash taken from the citizenry through taxation.
Conclusion: Instead of relying on government to save us all, it's far better & even a moral responsibility to turn to rugged individualism.
This is an incredible breakthrough! This is what conservatives have been arguing for nearly a century now. Welcome HLF & UH to the Republican Party!Do you remember Rock & Roll Radio?0 -
fanch75 wrote:So basically, government-pushed urban renewal projects actually increase poverty and do nothing to help reverse economic downturns. It even perpetuates poverty because it causes government dependence. Not only that, it increases spending, increases the size of government, and increases government waste & corruption since it is awash in cash taken from the citizenry through taxation.
This is incredible! This is what conservatives have been arguing for nearly a century now. Welcome HLF & UH to the Republican Party!
I wasn't aware I'd joined any parties.. I don't think that finding a Wikipedia article interesting amounts to that.'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
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harmless_little_f*** wrote:I wasn't aware I'd joined any parties.. I don't think that finding a Wikipedia article interesting amounts to that.
Through quotign an article, revealed, your opinion is.
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fanch75 wrote:Through quotign an article, revealed, your opinion is.
Not at all. All that was proven by the article quoted was that there are two sides to every story.'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
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harmless_little_f*** wrote:Thankyou for that. I found this part particularly interesting:
Prolonged/worsened the Depression
Virtually all historians believe that the New Deal helped resolve the Great Depression, but economists are less certain, with a substantial minority believing that it either had no great impact or worsened the depression.[35] A 1995 survey of economic historians asked whether "Taken as a whole, government policies of the New Deal served to lengthen and deepen the Great Depression." Of those in economics departments 27% agreed, 22% agreed 'with provisos' (what provisos the survey does not state) and 51% disagreed. Of those in history departments, only 27% agreed and 74% disagreed. [1]
Another side which by your own information shows is not believed to be true. Please look at the bolded areas, only 27% agreed with the statement, so a majority believed that New Deal did not worsen or had no great impact on the Depression.
I'm not for govenrment hand outs at all but the government can help at times with programs that increase infrastructure (ie the grid) that you condemn and want to be off of. They can help stimulate economic growth.... problem is that they won't work today since the US is now a consumer nation and not the exporters we once were.
urbanhippie- I never once mentioned urban renewal.... I was pointing out the public works projects which helped build infrastructure in this country (ie electrical plants, more roads and highways, water plants etc.). Nothing about taking blighted areas and doing what the government thinks is needed or right for that area.This is your notice that there is a problem with your signature. Please remove it.
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I was merely pointing out that anyone can use Wiki to prove pretty much any point.fanch75 wrote:So basically, government-pushed urban renewal projects actually increase poverty and do nothing to help reverse economic downturns. It even perpetuates poverty because it causes government dependence. Not only that, it increases spending, increases the size of government, and increases government waste & corruption since it is awash in cash taken from the citizenry through taxation.
Conclusion: Instead of relying on government to save us all, it's far better & even a moral responsibility to turn to rugged individualism.
This is an incredible breakthrough! This is what conservatives have been arguing for nearly a century now. Welcome HLF & UH to the Republican Party!
No one's saying that urban renewal projects don't have their place, of course they do. However corruption and kickbacks are a fact.
It seems strange to me that someone merely states changes they are planning to make, to make their lifestyles more socially and environmentally aware and you feel the need to piss on their bonfire
Funny... I thought giving a shit about the world was a good thing to do.
And if you'll read the thread no one said anything about 'rugged individualism', merely that they were going to think more carefully about their attitude and consumption.A human being that was given to fly.
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see above postchromiam wrote:Another side which by your own information shows is not believed to be true. Please look at the bolded areas, only 27% agreed with the statement, so a majority believed that New Deal did not worsen or had no great impact on the Depression.
I'm not for govenrment hand outs at all but the government can help at times with programs that increase infrastructure (ie the grid) that you condemn and want to be off of. They can help stimulate economic growth.... problem is that they won't work today since the US is now a consumer nation and not the exporters we once were.
urbanhippie- I never once mentioned urban renewal.... I was pointing out the public works projects which helped build infrastructure in this country (ie electrical plants, more roads and highways, water plants etc.). Nothing about taking blighted areas and doing what the government thinks is needed or right for that area.A human being that was given to fly.
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Good for you!!
(by the way Fanch - I am not white, but I do fall into that "what white people like" thing A LOT! hahahaa)
you don't have to go completely off the grid - but if you make a few adjustments and alter your awareness - - refuse to be mollified by convenience (which is far from convenient) then you should be fine!!
and if you need tips on growing peppers and other organic produce - I have a bunch of tips!!! (may have to be adjusted to meet your climate needs)IF YOU WANT A PLATE OF MY BEEF SWELLINGTON, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE COVERCHARGE.0 -
urbanhippie wrote:to make their lifestyles more socially and environmentally aware
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/18-awareness/
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#18 Awareness
January 23, 2008 by clander
An interesting fact about white people is that they firmly believe that all of the world’s problems can be solved through “awareness.” Meaning the process of making other people aware of problems, and then magically someone else like the government will fix it.
This belief allows them to feel that sweet self-satisfaction without actually having to solve anything or face any difficult challenges. Because, the only challenge of raising awareness is people not being aware. In a worst case scenario, if you fail someone doesn’t know about the problem. End of story.
What makes this even more appealing for white people is that you can raise “awareness” through expensive dinners, parties, marathons, selling t-shirts, fashion shows, concerts, eating at restaurants and bracelets..In other words, white people just have to keep doing stuff they like, EXCEPT now they can feel better about making a difference..
Raising awareness is also awesome because once you raise awareness to an acceptable, aribtrary level, you can just back off and say “Bam! did my part. Now it’s your turn. Fix it.”
So to summarize - you get all the benefits of helping (self satisfaction, telling other people) but no need for difficult decisions or the ensuing criticism (how do you criticize awareness?). Once again, white people find a way to score that sweet double victory.
Popular things to be aware of: The Environment, Diseases like Cancer and AIDS, Africa, Poverty, Anorexia, Homophobia, Midde School Field Hockey/Lacrosse teams, Drug Rehab, and political prisoners.Do you remember Rock & Roll Radio?0 -
:rolleyes:fanch75 wrote:http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/18-awareness/
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#18 Awareness
January 23, 2008 by clander
An interesting fact about white people is that they firmly believe that all of the world’s problems can be solved through “awareness.” Meaning the process of making other people aware of problems, and then magically someone else like the government will fix it.
This belief allows them to feel that sweet self-satisfaction without actually having to solve anything or face any difficult challenges. Because, the only challenge of raising awareness is people not being aware. In a worst case scenario, if you fail someone doesn’t know about the problem. End of story.
What makes this even more appealing for white people is that you can raise “awareness” through expensive dinners, parties, marathons, selling t-shirts, fashion shows, concerts, eating at restaurants and bracelets..In other words, white people just have to keep doing stuff they like, EXCEPT now they can feel better about making a difference..
Raising awareness is also awesome because once you raise awareness to an acceptable, aribtrary level, you can just back off and say “Bam! did my part. Now it’s your turn. Fix it.”
So to summarize - you get all the benefits of helping (self satisfaction, telling other people) but no need for difficult decisions or the ensuing criticism (how do you criticize awareness?). Once again, white people find a way to score that sweet double victory.
Popular things to be aware of: The Environment, Diseases like Cancer and AIDS, Africa, Poverty, Anorexia, Homophobia, Midde School Field Hockey/Lacrosse teams, Drug Rehab, and political prisoners.
I'm not on about raising awareness, but being aware
Again...what is wrong with this point of view?A human being that was given to fly.
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Urban Hiker wrote:Like TV programs airing reports about why you shouldn't watch tv. I love seeing people on tv telling us to turn it off.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/28-not-having-a-tv/
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#28 Not Having a TV
January 26, 2008 by clander
The number one reason why white people like not having a TV is so that they can tell you that they don’t have a TV.
On those lonely nights when white people wish they could be watching American Idol, Lost, or Grey’s Anatomy, they comfort themselves by thinking of how when people talk about the show tomorrow they can say “I didn’t see it, I don’t have a TV. That stuff rots your brain.”
It is effective in making other white people feel bad, and making themselves feel good about their life and life choices.
Though these people often fill their time by talking with other friends who don’t watch TV about how they don’t watch TV, looking at leaves, cooking, reading books about left wing politics, and going to concerts/protests/poetry slams.
Generally this makes them very boring and gives you very little to talk to them about. It’s important that you NEVER suggest they are making a mistake or that there is a value to owning a TV. You should just try to steer the conversation to allow them to talk about how they are better than you.Do you remember Rock & Roll Radio?0 -
harmless_little_f*** wrote:Do I need to buy music? No, I can learn to play my own music - and then there's the internet.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/93-music-piracy/
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#93 - Music Piracy
March 30, 2008 by clander
White people have always been renowned for having ridiculously large music collections. So when file sharing gave white people a chance to acquire all the music they ever wanted, it felt as though it was an earned right and not a privilege.
When (not if) you see a white male with a full iPod, ask him if all of his music is legal. If he does not immediately launch into a diatribe about his right to pirate music, you might have to nudge him a bit by saying “do you think that’s right?” The response will be immediate and uniform.
He will likely rattle off statistics about how most musicians don’t make any money from albums, it all comes from touring and merchandise. So by attending shows, he is able to support the musicians while simultaneously striking a blow against multinational corporations. He will proceed to walk you through the process of how record labels are set up to reward the corporation and fundamentally rob the artist of their rights, royalties and creativity. Prepare to hear the name Steve Albini a lot.
Advanced white people will also talk about how their constant downloading of music makes them an expert who can properly recommend bands to friends and co-workers, thus increasing revenues and exposure. So in fact, their “illegal” activities are the new lifeblood of the industry.
When they have finished talking, you must choose your next words wisely. It is considered rude to point out the simple fact that they are still getting music for free. Instead you should say: “Wow, I never thought of it like that. You know a lot about the music industry. What bands are you listening to right now? Who is good?”
This sentence serves two functions: it helps to reassure the white person that they are your local “music expert,” something they prize. Also, it lets them feel as though they have convinced you that their activities are part of a greater social cause and not simple piracy.
If you bring up this issue with white person who says “nah bro, I don’t give a shit, Dave Matthews has enough money as it is.” You are likely dealing with wrong kind of white person.
In the even more rare situation where someone says “it’s all paid for, and it’s all transferred from vinyl.” You have found an expert level white person and must treat the situation carefully.
Because of the availability of music online, a very strict social hierarchy has been created within white culture whereby someone with a large MP3 collection is considered “normal,” a large CD collection is considered to be “better,” and a person with a large vinyl collection is recognized as “elite.”
These elite white people abhor the fact that music piracy has made their B-sides, live performances, and bootlegs available to the masses. Their entire life’s work has been stripped of its rarity in terms of both object and sound on the record. The best thing you can say to them is: “vinyl still sounds better.”
However, it is recommended that you do not let this conversation drag much longer. If you let them continue talking to you they are likely to spend hours talking to you about bands you’ve never heard of and providing you with a weekly mix CD of rarities that you do not want.Do you remember Rock & Roll Radio?0 -
fanch75 wrote:Generally this makes them very boring and gives you very little to talk to them about.
Yeah because TV is all there is to talk about. Seriously? Who wrote this shit?'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
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Stuff white people like #96
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Holy crap some actual substance in AET!
j/kProgress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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