Obama not sure if he's CFR member...denies SPP/NAU, says it was cooked up by bloggers

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    unifiedscene wrote:
    I don't watch tv, except for college football. Try again.


    Well you're clearly misinformed on this issue. Where do you get your information from?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    unifiedscene wrote:
    Or perhaps he hasn't heard of it because this is some nutty fringe group of people who have no hope of ever getting this plan off the ground so no one with REAL issues to deal with doesn't give a flying fuck what they're "hatching and planning." It's not like they're going to create some NAU without any government ever taking a look at the plan.


    Presidents of US, Canada, and Mexico.

    sounds really fringe. :rolleyes:
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    This article was talking about NORTHCOM a year ago. What has bush done with NORTHCOM lately? He's pulled a bunch of troops from Iraq, butchered posse comitatus, and now even Rahm is talking mandatory service.

    The danger here is Obama gets wide support to carry out the same back office practices with renewed support, in the name of something else which everyone will trust him on, and place hope in. Very dangerous to not scrutinise what is taking place, and just follow along, especially when he feigning ignorance on the issue.

    It reeks.

    My gut feeling is Obama is a globalist, and will take the seat, and move all the controls in the name of the war on terror, just like Bush did.

    I see the war on terror as a vehicle used to push for globalisation, and Obama is HUGE on fighting the war on/of terror.
    Are you against the war on terror or just against everything Obama?

    Being a liberal, I am personally FOR the war on terror and have always been for it. It was the Bush administration who took their eye off that ball.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Are you against the war on terror or just against everything Obama?

    Being a liberal, I am personally FOR the war on terror and have always been for it. It was the Bush administration who took their eye off that ball.

    Against it. It's a concocted program to loot and occupy other countries through military force. See PNAC.

    Btw...how can you be considered a liberal if you support policies that are more extreme than Bush? Neo-liberal perhaps...hard left?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    This article was talking about NORTHCOM a year ago. What has bush done with NORTHCOM lately? He's pulled a bunch of troops from Iraq, butchered posse comitatus, and now even Rahm is talking mandatory service.

    The danger here is Obama gets wide support to carry out the same back office practices with renewed support, in the name of something else which everyone will trust him on, and place hope in. Very dangerous to not scrutinise what is taking place, and just follow along, especially when he feigning ignorance on the issue.

    It reeks.

    My gut feeling is Obama is a globalist, and will take the seat, and move all the controls in the name of the war on terror, just like Bush did.

    I see the war on terror as a vehicle used to push for globalisation, and Obama is HUGE on fighting the war on/of terror.
    Oh, I have little doubt he'll take the seat....as our Canadian leaders do...just switch out the characters...

    It's scary stuff from top to bottom.....
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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Against it. It's a concocted program to loot and occupy other countries through military force. See PNAC.

    Btw...how can you be considered a liberal if you support policies that are more extreme than Bush? Neo-liberal perhaps...hard left?
    I like to think that I am free thinking liberal. Just because I am a liberal does not mean I am anti-war. Bush was not hard enough on the war on terror as he got too focused on a nation that had zero to do with the attacks of 9/11.

    As free thinking liberal, I am also pro capital punishment. And I believe in our rights to bear arms. Though I do believe that needs to be regulated. But that is off subject.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I read this article recently:

    http://www.juancole.com/2008/11/afghan-article-says-us-bin-ladin-hunt.html

    Another thing that really strikes me as odd, is all this talk about Pakistan and Bin Laden hiding there. If anyone thinks Bin Laden is still in Pakistan with all this talk about him being there (even if he is actually still alive), well, I don't know what else to tell you. Does anyone think Bin Laden, which Obama now has now picked up the "let's attack Pakistan et al to catch the boogeyman" torch, is still sitting there waiting for the bombs to fall?

    This guy who has been reported in the late stages of kidney failure, and of which all his taped appearances have been highly suspicious as to their authenticity. All this serves to do is cook up fear an paranoia in order to justify the war on terror.

    Finding this guy (who is almost certainly deceased) is some kind of bad joke if I've ever seen one.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Presidents of US, Canada, and Mexico.

    sounds really fringe. :rolleyes:
    hey Roland, since when did we have a president? ;)
  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Well you're clearly misinformed on this issue. Where do you get your information from?

    random websites, articles sent to me by friends, links on various message boards and newsgroups. apparently the same places you do.

    so, at what point was this in any danger of going forward?
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    yield6 wrote:
    hey Roland, since when did we have a president? ;)


    I figured someone would point that out...couldn't be bothered at the time. I have no Idea Canada has a PM despite living here for 37 years.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    unifiedscene wrote:
    random websites, articles sent to me by friends, links on various message boards and newsgroups. apparently the same places you do.

    so, at what point was this in any danger of going forward?

    It still is going forward.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
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  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It still is going forward.

    Cool. Call me if they put us all on the peso overnight. I'll keep looking for Dr. Evil. Hopefully, I find him before they put their evil plan into action.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    unifiedscene wrote:
    Cool. Call me if they put us all on the peso overnight. I'll keep looking for Dr. Evil. Hopefully, I find him before they put their evil plan into action.
    i cant wait
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    jimed14 wrote:
    seriously, I cannot see this being any sort of priority right now ...

    good to know about, but, again, it's no where near the top of the agenda at current.


    Maybe overtly it isn't. Stuff like this just doesn't go "boom" and appear. They gradually wear away at the people's attention and let it go unnoticed for periods at a time only to let it slightly resurface as something marginally different in name but almost entirely the same in function. All one needs to do is take a look at how the implementation of the Federal Reserve came to be and one can see some of the very same actions going on here.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    unifiedscene wrote:
    Or perhaps he hasn't heard of it because this is some nutty fringe group of people who have no hope of ever getting this plan off the ground so no one with REAL issues to deal with doesn't give a flying fuck what they're "hatching and planning." It's not like they're going to create some NAU without any government ever taking a look at the plan.

    That's BS.
    You are saying that a North American "Union" is the coveted ideal of a "nutty fringe group"?

    CHECK THESE CNN VIDEOS OUT, before you think this idea is something hatched by crazy people with no influence. ANYTHING BUT:

    Lou Dobbs: First (and only) reporter on TV to cover talk of NAU type structure -- The people responsible for this talk? A PANEL SPONSORED BY THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, gasp, BIG SHOCKER THERE!

    Bush Denying it, Talk About "Standardizing the Jelly Bean?


    Check out this one: MAJOR NAU SUMMIT IN NEW ORLEANS
    Quote From Above Video - AMNESTY INT wrote:
    "THE SECRECY AND LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY THAT HAS MARKED DEVELOPMENT OF THE SPP ... LEAVE INSUFFICIENT ROOM FOR INFORMED INVOLVEMENT OF CIVIL SOCIETY..." -- Amnesty International

    I wish i could find the report he did the NEXT day, because it had interviews with 2 or 3 congressmen & women and they were PISSED about being cut out of the loop on all proceedings. I believe congress in full actually signed a complaint about it ... over 100 members signed.

    Crazy nuts, them all, i guess.
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  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    Drifting, check your pm's.
  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    That's BS.
    You are saying that a North American "Union" is the coveted ideal of a "nutty fringe group"?

    CHECK THESE CNN VIDEOS OUT, before you think this idea is something hatched by crazy people with no influence. ANYTHING BUT:

    Lou Dobbs: First (and only) reporter on TV to cover talk of NAU type structure -- The people responsible for this talk? A PANEL SPONSORED BY THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, gasp, BIG SHOCKER THERE!

    Bush Denying it, Talk About "Standardizing the Jelly Bean?


    Check out this one: MAJOR NAU SUMMIT IN NEW ORLEANS

    I wish i could find the report he did the NEXT day, because it had interviews with 2 or 3 congressmen & women and they were PISSED about being cut out of the loop on all proceedings. I believe congress in full actually signed a complaint about it ... over 100 members signed.

    Crazy nuts, them all, i guess.

    So, aside from having a bunch of secret meetings, what exactly have they done?
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    unifiedscene wrote:
    So, aside from having a bunch of secret meetings, what exactly have they done?
    "Secret" meetings by the leaders of North America doesn't concern you in of itself?
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  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    angelica wrote:
    "Secret" meetings by the leaders of North America doesn't concern you in of itself?

    No, not particularly. I don't expect to be invited to the president's foreign intelligence briefings. I didn't expect to be invited to Camp David when Carter tried to talk peace with Palestine and Israel. I don't expect to be invited to confidential merger negotiations between computer companies. I only expect that if the governments or leaders involved decide to pursue action, it will be brought to the people and subjected to public scrutiny before implementation. Until then, let them talk all they want about whatever they damn well please.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    unifiedscene wrote:
    No, not particularly. I don't expect to be invited to the president's foreign intelligence briefings. I didn't expect to be invited to Camp David when Carter tried to talk peace with Palestine and Israel. I don't expect to be invited to confidential merger negotiations between computer companies. I only expect that if the governments or leaders involved decide to pursue action, it will be brought to the people and subjected to public scrutiny before implementation. Until then, let them talk all they want about whatever they damn well please.
    Suit yourself.

    On this issue you and I clearly differ.
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