I stopped watching Palin's speech right here:

spyguy wrote:

well he will allow the bush tax cuts to expire, which will raise everyone taxes. but I hear ya, its a stretch to say he will raise all taxes. obama does want to tax the rich to feed the poor.



reagan I guess. bush did fuck things up for true conservatives, but being attacked own our soil and fighting 2 wars fucked up that

I think you might have to go back even further than Reagan. I think he was the start of that.

spyguy wrote:

well he will allow the bush tax cuts to expire, which will raise everyone taxes. but I hear ya, its a stretch to say he will raise all taxes. obama does want to tax the rich to feed the poor.

part true...

from here: http://www.taxfoundation.org/candidates08/ (compare mccain and obama)


Barack Obama

Marginal Individual Income Tax Rates

Maintain the current 10, 15, 25, and 28 percent rates from the 2001-03 tax cuts, but allow the top two rates to expire (the 33 percent rate would rise to 36 percent; the 35 percent would rise to 39.6 percent). Eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. (Source).

DOSW wrote:

Yep, the condescension of Obama's community organizing position was infuriating... this is a job that he took out of a sense of duty rather than greed for money, and it's a grueling, difficult, thankless job. But apparently it has no real responsibility, according to Palin. Saying it doesn't qualify you for the presidency is one thing... saying it has no real responsibility, like being a mayor of Wasilia is some big accomplishment, is just bullshit.

I'm really hoping this entire thing backfires. Slamming the entire 'community organizing' profession seems to have become a Republican talking point, considering I've heard from about every Republican pundit and politician. I don't see what they're trying to accomplish here. There's alot of people in this country that have encountered community organizers in their life (granted, probably not in the communities where a majority of these Republicans come from; maybe that's why they have no idea), and I don't think those communities will be happy about the smug condesencion on the part of the Right. Additionally, I'm hoping many small-town citizens are going to hear her going on about it, look at their own mayor and think, "I like Jed but I don't think this makes him ready for the Presidency."

I don't know for sure; I'm just hoping this works cause for the good of this country these people cannot be elected in in November.

Obama is really fucking people with expensive homes

Estate Tax
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McCain
15% tax rate on estates over $5 million ($10 million for married couples). (Source).

Obama
45% tax rate on estates over $3.5 million ($7 million for married couples). (Source).

Novawind wrote:

"America... needs more energy. Our opponent... is against producing it."

What?

I'm not even going to give her the rest of my time to watch the speech while she openly lies to awestruck Republicans delegates and anybody watching at home.

Your loss...she was speaking the truth.

I've never understood the Dems against drilling...we need a COMPREHENSIVE energy plan that includes the NOW, the short-term (drilling), and the long-term (energy independence through innovation).

spyguy wrote:

Obama is really fucking people with expensive homes

Estate Tax
View Research Area »

McCain
15% tax rate on estates over $5 million ($10 million for married couples). (Source).

Obama
45% tax rate on estates over $3.5 million ($7 million for married couples). (Source).

That is the most messed up tax in existence. This is probably one of the main reasons why I will not vote for BHO.

blackredyellow wrote:

Just the fact that she brags about being a hockey mom bothers me too.

why?

spyguy wrote:

Obama is really fucking people with expensive homes

Estate Tax
View Research Area »

McCain
15% tax rate on estates over $5 million ($10 million for married couples). (Source).

Obama
45% tax rate on estates over $3.5 million ($7 million for married couples). (Source).

yeah, this kinda sucks...

I guess the rest of his plan was ok with you...?

cincybearcat wrote:

Your loss...she was speaking the truth.

I've never understood the Dems against drilling...we need a COMPREHENSIVE energy plan that includes the NOW, the short-term (drilling), and the long-term (energy independence through innovation).

Why, when all experts say that we will not see a change in gas prices for at least four years even if we started drilling tomorrow? You call it the long-term, energy independence through innovation, but it needs to be as short-term as possible.

However, I do agree with you; it demands a comprehensive approach and if a President enters the White House and feels it is absolutely necessary, then we should consider everything. Like relations with other countries, you can never take anything off the table.

The problem is I just don't believe McCain, Palin or the Republicans when they say they're going to strongly commit to long term energy independence. I'm concerned that they'll approach it the way the Bush administration did, when they give a million or two a year to research and development and basically wipe their hands clean of it. That's not going to do it this time, and McCain has given me nothing to believe he would do otherwise. He has consistently voted against giving any federal funding to alternative energy development. Didn't want to join Kyoto, opposed giving tax credits and breaks to those same companies fostering development, unlike Obama, who voted for those tax breaks in the Energy Policy Act of 2005.

So, basically, my concerns with McCain's energy policy are what I assume many conservatives say about Obama; he talks a good talk, but I quite simply don't believe him, and I haven't seen anything in his history that should make me think otherwise.

blackredyellow wrote:

Just a personal bias that I have...

I played hockey growing up, and my first job after college was at a hockey rink managing leagues, teaching, refereeing and coaching. In those four years, I met some great people in the hockey community during that time. But at least in my experience, the mothers who touted themselves as "hockey moms" were the most over-bearing, obnoxious and league politic playing parents that I've ever met.

Any of you who grew up playing sports or have kids playing sports, just think of the worst behaving parents around those teams.... that is the image I get when I hear someone calling themselves a "hockey mom"

ok fair enough. I admit, my experience with "hockey moms" is limited