I stopped watching Palin's speech right here:

she is so horrendous at speaking... I only wish I could debate her myself.

And remember... It is sexist to ask questions of her. so shhhhh

Which side of the nuclear power fence is Obama on this week? Anyone know?

_outlaw wrote:

she is so horrendous at speaking... I only wish I could debate her myself.

horrendous? did you even watch her speech? she is an excellent speaker

NMyTree wrote:

Bullsht at it's finest.

This woman is a trainwreck.

excellent commentary. have you considered working for a major new outlet?

inmytree wrote:

perhaps you should...with grand slams like this: horrendous? did you even watch her speech? she is an excellent speaker

I was merely asking a question and giving an opinion on her speaking skills. so yea, I would consider it a grand slam as well

inmytree wrote:

plame did a fair job, at best...for the first few minutes of her speech, I thought they screwed up the teleprompter and had her read rudy's speech...

I do think the condescending remarks about being a community organizer where a bit over the top...but that's just me...

eh, all these speeches from both sides, during these conventions, seem to go over the top.

she gave a good speech.. dont let the democratic pull blind you!

my2hands wrote:

then she lied and said obama wants to raise taxes on everyone and every business?

bold face lie right there... and of course the media doesnt jump on that blatant lie

not really. he will tax the highest earners who mostly own their own business and employ many people. bottom line, obama wants to increase the size of government, increase spending, and increase taxes for the most successful people in this country. personally, I dont care for more government.

http://www.allbusiness.com/government/elections-politics-politics-political-parties/11479910-1.html

Corporate Taxes: Obama has proposed taxing carried interest as ordinary income, eliminating all oil and gas loopholes, and requiring publicly traded financial partnerships to pay the corporate income tax. He would sanction countries that act as international tax havens and refuse to share financial information with the United States.

He would impose a windfall profits tax on oil and gas companies, require information reporting of basis for capital gains, reallocate multinational tax deductions, and close loopholes in the corporate tax deductibility of pay for chief executives. Combined with other as-yet-unidentified provisions, the campaign expects these provisions to raise $76 billion in revenue each year, according to the study.

Overall, the Obama plan would provide the largest tax breaks, measured as a percentage of after-tax income, to the bottom fifth of income earners compared with current law. Each succeeding fifth would, on average, receive a tax cut, but those at the very top of the income ladder would pay more. The increase in taxes would be dramatic for those at the very top of the income scale, representing 8.7 percent of after-tax income for the top 1 percent of households and 11.5 percent of income for the richest 1 in 1,000, the study notes.

spyguy wrote:

not really. he will tax the highest earners who mostly own their own business and employ many people. bottom line, obama wants to increase the size of government, increase spending, and increase taxes for the most successful people in this country. personally, I dont care for more government.

http://www.allbusiness.com/government/elections-politics-politics-political-parties/11479910-1.html

.

Then it is a lie. Obama's plan would offer a tax cut to all brackets except the top, where they would pay more. There's a legitimate criticism in asking what that would do to revenues, salaries over lower employees, etc. and that's a debate that should be had. Putting giving all individuals a tax cut until the top bracket vs "raising everyone's taxes"? The latter is a lie.

And why should we believe the Republicans? When was the last time that the Republican Party was a party of small government?

digster wrote:

Then it is a lie. Obama's plan would offer a tax cut to all brackets except the top, where they would pay more. There's a legitimate criticism in asking what that would do to revenues, salaries over lower employees, etc. and that's a debate that should be had. Putting giving all individuals a tax cut until the top bracket vs "raising everyone's taxes"? The latter is a lie.

well he will allow the bush tax cuts to expire, which will raise everyone taxes. but I hear ya, its a stretch to say he will raise all taxes. obama does want to tax the rich to feed the poor.

digster wrote:

And why should we believe the Republicans? When was the last time that the Republican Party was a party of small government?

reagan I guess. bush did fuck things up for true conservatives, but being attacked own our soil and fighting 2 wars fucked up that