Cafferty File: McCain supported invading Iraq, opposes Russia's advances on Georgia

CorporateWhore
CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/14/mccain-condemns-russia-supports-iraq-invasion/

Make sure to tell Jack how you feel about this.

The ultimate hypocrisy: supporting the invasion of Iraq but opposing the invasion of Georgia.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/14/mccain-condemns-russia-supports-iraq-invasion/

    Make sure to tell Jack how you feel about this.

    The ultimate hypocrisy: supporting the invasion of Iraq but opposing the invasion of Georgia.

    Well that's the old do as we say and not as we do mentality that plagues DC.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    I dunno ... Should McCain go on record as supporting the German invasion of Poland in 1939, too? I mean, we have to be consistent and all that.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I dunno ... Should McCain go on record as supporting the German invasion of Poland in 1939, too? I mean, we have to be consistent and all that.

    No but he comes off as a hypocrite when the whole world knows that he was all gung-ho for going into Iraq.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    I dont get it, should mccain support the invasion of Georgia?
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    spyguy wrote:
    I dont get it, should mccain support the invasion of Georgia?


    No he should keep his mouth shut. Any US politicians who supported/supports the war in Iraq has no moral standing to even comment on this event.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    mammasan wrote:
    No he should keep his mouth shut. Any US politicians who supported/supports the war in Iraq has no moral standing to even comment on this event.

    well many of those politicians saw Iraq as a threat and moreso, saw Iraq become more of a threat after the invasion, thus supporting staying there. I see no problem with calling out Russia on this.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    spyguy wrote:
    well many of those politicians saw Iraq as a threat and moreso, saw Iraq become more of a threat after the invasion, thus supporting staying there. I see no problem with calling out Russia on this.

    Come on. You can't possibly believe that anyone in Washington saw Iraq as a threat. They saw it as an opportunity to expand our influence in the region. They took 9/11 and used it to fuel the fires of war. They did exactly what Russia is doing right now. Russia took the Georgian attacks on South Osseatia and used it as justification to invade Georgia to increase their influence in the region. Not saying it's right but they are just playing by the rules our government established.

    I personally see no problem with criticizing Russia but when it's done by someone who is just as guilty as Putin then I tend to call it bullshit.

    Even if what you say is true, that many in Washington saw Iraq as a threat, then it may just be that Moscow sees Georgia as a threat. So why shouldn't it be ok for them to pre-emptively deal with a potential threat as we did.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    mammasan wrote:
    Come on. You can't possibly believe that anyone in Washington saw Iraq as a threat. They saw it as an opportunity to expand our influence in the region. They took 9/11 and used it to fuel the fires of war. They did exactly what Russia is doing right now. Russia took the Georgian attacks on South Osseatia and used it as justification to invade Georgia to increase their influence in the region. Not saying it's right but they are just playing by the rules our government established.

    I personally see no problem with criticizing Russia but when it's done by someone who is just as guilty as Putin then I tend to call it bullshit.

    regardless of what we did, calling out Russia for invading another country and fire bombing civilian towns, is the right thing to do. we cant and shouldnt just stay by and say nothing.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    spyguy wrote:
    regardless of what we did, calling out Russia for invading another country and fire bombing civilian towns, is the right thing to do. we cant and shouldnt just stay by and say nothing.

    Why can't we just stand by and say nothing? Why can't we just say that this is an issue between Russia and Georgia. If they so wish we would be glad to help broker a cease-fire and a deal to end hostilities. Why de we have to threaten Russia for it's actions but ignore the fact that Georgia initiated the hostilities. It's high time that we stop sticking our noses in everyone's business.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    spyguy wrote:
    well many of those politicians saw Iraq as a threat and moreso, saw Iraq become more of a threat after the invasion, thus supporting staying there. I see no problem with calling out Russia on this.

    If Iraq was a threat to the USA, then Georgia was a threat to Russia.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    mammasan wrote:
    It's high time that we stop sticking our noses in everyone's business.

    Couldn't agree more. I love how Bush and co immediately had something to say about Russia's actions.

    NO BUSH! You don't have shit to say. You said your piece and you lost the world's respect in the process.

    Now it's high time someone with some sense says:

    Russia might be invading Georgia for oil or territory or whatever, but we might as well remain mute on that subject. Little said is easily mended. If Russia's actions start to present a threat to the United States, we can deal with that.


    All Russia has done is spank Georgia and peace out. Compared to what we've done in Iraq, this is nothing!!!
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    mammasan wrote:
    Why can't we just stand by and say nothing? Why can't we just say that this is an issue between Russia and Georgia. If they so wish we would be glad to help broker a cease-fire and a deal to end hostilities. Why de we have to threaten Russia for it's actions but ignore the fact that Georgia initiated the hostilities. It's high time that we stop sticking our noses in everyone's business.

    just my opinion. I respect yours but disagree. and the threats you speak of and not anything remotely resembling military action (just to be clear). the threats we are speaking of are about certain nations NATO acceptance and diminishing Russia's strength on the world stage. I'm fine with that too. if they go unchecked whats to stop them from bringing back the their old bad habits of nation grabbing.
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    spyguy wrote:
    regardless of what we did, calling out Russia for invading another country and fire bombing civilian towns, is the right thing to do. we cant and shouldnt just stay by and say nothing.

    you DO know that Georgia INVADED and MURDERED thousands of CIVILLIANS in South Osseatia right? didnt we villify Saddam for "bombing his own people"? so let me get this straight, if iraq invades say kuwait.... or kurdish villages in iraq... they are monsters that need to be stopped. we can go to war with them, overthrow their govenment, and occupy their land for "100 years", But if Georgia does the same thing, russia has no right to go to war with them right?
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    spyguy wrote:
    just my opinion. I respect yours but disagree. and the threats you speak of and not anything remotely resembling military action (just to be clear). the threats we are speaking of are about certain nations NATO acceptance and diminishing Russia's strength on the world stage. I'm fine with that too. if they go unchecked whats to stop them from bringing back the their old bad habits of nation grabbing.

    I have a question for you. Why is it any of our business what amount of presence Russia has on the world stage? Russia poses no threat to our security and that is all that matters. Russia can gobble up Georgia, Chechnya, and many other former satelite states and they still would not pose a threat to us.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Maybe I'm missing something, but are the two situations exactly the same?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    know1 wrote:
    Maybe I'm missing something, but are the two situations exactly the same?



    yep...they are both about oil.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    know1 wrote:
    Maybe I'm missing something, but are the two situations exactly the same?
    well, I don't remember who it was specifically, but I heard a professor the other day speaking about how the Russia-Georgia situation is quite similar to the USA-Kosovo situation in Yugoslavia.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    mammasan wrote:
    I have a question for you. Why is it any of our business what amount of presence Russia has on the world stage? Russia poses no threat to our security and that is all that matters. Russia can gobble up Georgia, Chechnya, and many other former satelite states and they still would not pose a threat to us.

    then maybe take Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Moldova, Ukraine, Uzbekistan,...the list goes on as you know.

    is it likely? no. has it happened in the past?

    secondly, why should we only act unless there is a direct threat to us? many people feel we should send troops to darfur. should we? they are no threat to us.
  • anotherclone
    anotherclone Posts: 1,688
    My husband pointed out some irony today. I'm not sure if it's true, but he said it seemed like the US was faster sending "aid" to Georgia than they were to New Orleans during Katrina.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    robbie wrote:
    you DO know that Georgia INVADED and MURDERED thousands of CIVILLIANS in South Osseatia right?

    you do know that south osseatia is part of Georgia. right? how could Georgia invade its own country?

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