I'm sitting in a Pro Life meeting right now...

3inputchick wrote:

Catholic Church= biggest scam going

Apparantly you haven't passed a "Nondenomenational church" lately.

scb wrote:

Look! I found their manual:
https://secure.rtl.org/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=88&zenid=9babbc0bc10d6647cc880b7bf466cf1f

It's a great read. Very helpful in dominating a misguided liberal in a debate.

scb wrote:

I would say that "pro-life" is a misnomer because it doesn't address the real issue of the debate, which is whether a woman should have a choice regardless of someone else's opinion. I think "anti-choice" is a more appropriate name for a movement that is trying to set itself up in opposition to the pro-choice movement.

Your use of the word "debate" is a misnomer then because what you call a debate is "hey, i'm going to frame the world according to my view."

The real truth here is that pro-choice/pro-abortion people say the issue is the womens choice of killing what she started in her body (yeah, I'm throwing my bias in here since everyone else is).

The anti-choice/anti-abortion people say the issue is that if the child is alive in the womb than its essentially murder. It's as much a choice as walking down the street killing people...

And I LOVE how you want to use anti-choice but would probably scream bloody murder when someone says its not pro-choice but pro-baby murder.

ps. why is this thread still here? It has as much to do with Pearl Jam as my dogs stool. I'd be happy to post threads on that too, if you'd all like.

here. let me post...guaranteed to be locked or moved or deleted shortly thereafter because that's what happens whenever i respond....

anyways...
for those who are against abortion, please humor me and convince me that you have spent some time in a children's home, a foster care facility, a juvenile detention center, anyplace where unwanted kids are housed. tell me you have sat with a child suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome or a child who has been blinded or crippled from shaken baby syndrome. tell me you willingly changed their diapers, wiped their drool, calmed their fears, stroked their cheek, and felt their incredible desire to be wanted and loved. have you done that? have you honestly and earnestly given your time and attention to kids who are already here? once you do that on a regular, consistent basis, THEN you can worry about the ones who aren't even on the planet.

and to the pro-life men who picket and force their 5 year old daughters to hold up a sign they can't even read or understand at a rally, consider this scenario: if there was a way to implant the fetus of a woman who chooses to have an abortion in *your* abdomen and you could then carry it to term and birth it and raise it, would you line up with your hand raised ready to take on that responsibility? doubt it.

the catholic church lost my vote long before the day they turned and looked the other way at the priests who were molesting children. there is and never will be an excuse or explanation for that. as much as they try, there is no cross big enough for them to hide behind. and don't even get me started on the 'natural family planning' they are promoting. puhleeeeze.

pro-choice is not pro-abortion, plain and simple.
take care of the kids that are here......
take care of the kids that are here......
take care of the kids that are here......


and....for what it's worth....from the late, great george carlin:
"Why...why...why...why...why...why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't wanna f--- in the first place? Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn; they will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that they don't wanna know about you! They don't wanna hear from you. No nothin'! No pre-natal care, no daycare, no headstart, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothin'---if you're preborn, you're fine...if you're preschool, you're f

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! Conservatives don't give a s--- about you until you reach...Military Age! Then they think you are just fine, just what they've been lookin' for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise 'em to be dead soldiers. Pro-life..pro-life...these people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kinda pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus, but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it? They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets: anti-woman. They don't like 'em. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood-mare for the state. Pro-life...you don't see any of these white, anti-abortion women volunteering to have any black fetuses transplanted into their uteruses, do you? No, you don't see 'em adopting a whole lotta crack babies, do you? No...that might be something "Christ" would do."

We can throw at each other propaganda numbers all day. Your hypotheticals smudge out the millions of babies that are killed, because of irresponsible people that resist to take responsibilty for their own actions. In order to protect the women who are raped (which is noble) that need thousads of abortions, you open up abortion for millions of others.

Also, If Roe v. Wade is ever overturned (which it eventually will be) there will be exceptions for rape and incest. So you are wasting your time. Rape victims will ALWAYS have access to abortions. I don't really agree with that, but that is reality. A life is a life. (still not grey).

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

There not propaganda numbers. They didn't come from an abortion website at all. They came from a website that gives detailed numbers and stats on sexual abuse in america. Numbers backed up by the US government. The only one throwing propaganda is you.

Nobody posts numbers on a website without an agenda. The 1 in 6 number is way off. Has one every six women in your family been raped? Has one of every 6 of your friends been raped? Lets say the average rapist commits two rapes. Has 1 in every twelve guys committed a rape? It is an estimate made up by Feminazis.

I have great sympathy for those who are raped. Don't use their suffering for your agenda.

PJBuckeye wrote:

Nobody posts numbers on a website without an agenda. The 1 in 6 number is way off. Has one every six women in your family been raped? Has one of every 6 of your friends been raped? Lets say the average rapist commits two rapes. Has 1 in every twelve guys committed a rape? It is an estimate made up by Feminazis.

I have great sympathy for those who are raped. Don't use their suffering for your agenda.

Believe what you will. You're so off your rocker and naive you won't be convinced otherwise anyway. Don't pay attention to the actual number that are backed up but actual data (which is a hell of a lot more than you've produce thus far, other than your ramblings about millions of babies being killed).


By the way, my mother was sexually abused, my aunt was sexually abused, and one of my grandmothers was sexually abused. So yea, the numbers are just pulled out of thin air.

PJBuckeye wrote:

Nobody posts numbers on a website without an agenda. The 1 in 6 number is way off. Has one every six women in your family been raped? Has one of every 6 of your friends been raped? Lets say the average rapist commits two rapes. Has 1 in every twelve guys committed a rape? It is an estimate made up by Feminazis.

Many women and girls don't tell anyone when they have been sexually abused...

And women who are sexually abused GENERALLY don't tell people who call rape statistics propaganda!!!!!

Of course you don't know people that have been sexually abused and raped.



And another one who uses the word FEMINAZI?

Keep telling yourself you're a good person because you think abortion is wrong.

You really sound like a twisted individual.

Best of luck. Really....

scb wrote:

I find this post to be extremely interesting because I've never heard of anyone trying to deny that 1 in 6 women is a victim of sexual assault. Do you have any actual data with sources to refute this?

And he sounds really REALLY ridiculously clueless when he says...

"Let's say the average rapist commits two rapes."

WTF???

The average rapist?

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

And he sounds really REALLY ridiculously clueless when he says...

"Let's say the average rapist commits two rapes."

WTF???

The average rapist?

I was going to point that out but I couldn't make enough sense of it to comment.