Warner: Palin proves women have arrived

PJ_Saluki
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edited October 2008 in A Moving Train
Judith Warner had this to say about everyone's favorite hockey mom in today's New York Times:

"(W)omen will truly have arrived when the most mediocre among us will be able to do just as well as the most mediocre of men.

By this standard, the watershed event for women this year was not Hillary Clinton’s near ascendancy to the top of the Democratic ticket, but Sarah Palin’s nomination as the Republicans’ No. 2."

It's sad to say, but I think I liked it better when we could at least count on the women in power to be exceptional while who the hell knew with the men. Obviously there is some jest in that comment.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
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  • brokenarrow
    brokenarrow Posts: 478
    Interesting read...


    this cracks me up,

    "Donny Deutsch, the ad executive turned talk show host, put it less elegantly on CNBC right after the Republican convention. “Women want to be her, men want to mate with her,” he said, describing Palin as a “new creation that the feminist movement has not figured out in 40 years.”


    donny, donny.....no, we really don't want to be her.
    this is however, a male (donny/rush/sean) perception of the 'new creation that the feminist movement has not figured out in 40 years'.
    donny, when you become a woman then we'll talk. :D


    why is that, just doing the simplest of tasks, like reading an article about her, or merely seeing her goofy grin gives me agida?
    it pisses me off more and more each day when she says she 'speaks for all women'.
  • oil alternative
    oil alternative Posts: 192
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  • DixieN
    DixieN Posts: 351
    Palin proves that disingenuous, lying, cheating, ethically challenged people are enshrined in the Republican party. She proves that dishonest people aren't bound to any particular gender. Hillary proves women have arrived; she put the 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling, not Palin.
  • PJ_Saluki
    PJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    DixieN wrote:
    Palin proves that disingenuous, lying, cheating, ethically challenged people are enshrined in the Republican party. She proves that dishonest people aren't bound to any particular gender. Hillary proves women have arrived; she put the 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling, not Palin.

    I think you're missing the point. Hillary carried on a tradition of exceptional women being taken seriously because they stood above peers in either gender.

    Palin is mediocre at best yet she's in position to become V.P. and/or make a run at the presidency in the future. She's just like a mediocre, blow-dried man. She didn't have to be exceptional to get where she is.

    Sure, Hillary showed that it's possible for an exceptional woman to make a run at the presidency. Palin proved that a female dumbass could also reach the heights.

    That's an arrival. The least among women can reach the top without merit.
    "Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
  • brokenarrow
    brokenarrow Posts: 478
    PJ_Saluki wrote:

    Sure, Hillary showed that it's possible for an exceptional woman to make a run at the presidency. Palin proved that a female dumbass could also reach the heights.

    That's an arrival. The least among women can reach the top without merit.


    Isn't it amazing? And yes, in all respects the author hit the nail on the head. She's just as good as Georgie on a certain level isn't she?

    :::sigh:::: and look at where Georgie ended up.




    crap/shit/fuck/ass/this/makes/political/tourettes/syndrome/rear/its/ugly/head/again :D
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,294
    "She’s actually, as Colin Powell carefully said, quite “distinguished” — for her looks, her grace and charm, her ability to connect with an audience, her ambition and her drive. Those are admirable, even enviable qualities. But the American public, defecting from the McCain ticket in a slow bleed, is clearly not convinced that they amount to vice-presidential qualifications."

    You could say the same thing about Barack Obama.

    It is funny how the left is tearing down Palin. Much like they tore down Colin Powell or Condi Rice. The left wants a woman and a black person in power, but ONLY ON THEIR TERMS.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    "She’s actually, as Colin Powell carefully said, quite “distinguished” — for her looks, her grace and charm, her ability to connect with an audience, her ambition and her drive. Those are admirable, even enviable qualities. But the American public, defecting from the McCain ticket in a slow bleed, is clearly not convinced that they amount to vice-presidential qualifications."

    You could say the same thing about Barack Obama.

    You couldn't say this last part about Barack Obama, and that's what matters. To whose ticket do you think the American public is defecting? To Obama's, of course - because although he does have looks, grace & charm, an ability to connect with the audience, ambition and drive, he ALSO has presidential qualifications. And that, my friend, is why he's about to become our next president.
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    It is funny how the left is tearing down Palin. Much like they tore down Colin Powell or Condi Rice. The left wants a woman and a black person in power, but ONLY ON THEIR TERMS.

    Yeah, the left only wants someone who's QUALIFIED to be in office - not just any old woman or black person. How terribly selfish of them. :rolleyes:
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,294
    scb wrote:
    You couldn't say this last part about Barack Obama, and that's what matters. To whose ticket do you think the American public is defecting? To Obama's, of course - because although he does have looks, grace & charm, an ability to connect with the audience, ambition and drive, he ALSO has presidential qualifications. And that, my friend, is why he's about to become our next president.



    Yeah, the left only wants someone who's QUALIFIED to be in office - not just any old woman or black person. How terribly selfish of them. :rolleyes:

    Amusing. What are Barack's qualifications? One term Senator? Palin was a one-term governor. If history is any indication, governors are picked for President more than senators, so it seems that Palin has more of the experience generally wanted by voters. I think the last sitting senator to win the presidency was JFK. Seriously though, what are his qualifications that you speak of?

    The left has demonized any black person or woman that has risen in the ranks as a Republican. How terribly selfish of them indeed.
  • _
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    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Amusing. What are Barack's qualifications? One term Senator? Palin was a one-term governor. If history is any indication, governors are picked for President more than senators, so it seems that Palin has more of the experience generally wanted by voters. I think the last sitting senator to win the presidency was JFK. Seriously though, what are his qualifications that you speak of?

    The left has demonized any black person or woman that has risen in the ranks as a Republican. How terribly selfish of them indeed.

    If you want to change the discusson to all the reasons Obama will be a better president than Palin would, there are plenty of other threads that discuss that.

    But in this thread, you quoted someone who said the American public is defecting from the McCain/Palin ticket because they don't think Palin has what it takes to be president, and then you said the same can be said for Obama. My point is that, no, the same can't be said for Obama, particularly considering that those people are leaving McCain/Palin to support Obama. Obviously the American public does think he's qualified, and they are certainly not defecting from his ticket.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,294
    scb wrote:
    If you want to change the discusson to all the reasons Obama will be a better president than Palin would, there are plenty of other threads that discuss that.

    But in this thread, you quoted someone who said the American public is defecting from the McCain/Palin ticket because they don't think Palin has what it takes to be president, and then you said the same can be said for Obama. My point is that, no, the same can't be said for Obama, particularly considering that those people are leaving McCain/Palin to support Obama. Obviously the American public does think he's qualified, and they are certainly not defecting from his ticket.

    Or you skipped over this part of the quote:

    "She’s actually, as Colin Powell carefully said, quite “distinguished” — for her looks, her grace and charm, her ability to connect with an audience, her ambition and her drive. Those are admirable, even enviable qualities."

    Anyway, Colin Powell and the article is blasting Palin and calling her mediocre because all she has going for her is her charm, ambition, drive, and ability to connect with an audience. This is EXACTLY how Obama got to where he is at, but he is the epitome of GREATNESS, while Palin is MEDIOCRE. I'll take this damn thread where it should go.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    she will be back.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    I think Palin proves that Tina Fey has arrived. And that's about it.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Or you skipped over this part of the quote:

    "She’s actually, as Colin Powell carefully said, quite “distinguished” — for her looks, her grace and charm, her ability to connect with an audience, her ambition and her drive. Those are admirable, even enviable qualities."

    I didn't skip this part. I agree with you that Obama has these qualities and I said so.
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Anyway, Colin Powell and the article is blasting Palin and calling her mediocre because all she has going for her is her charm, ambition, drive, and ability to connect with an audience. This is EXACTLY how Obama got to where he is at, but he is the epitome of GREATNESS, while Palin is MEDIOCRE.

    Perhaps. But, as you point out, he has gotten somewhere; he has grown. She still has nothing else going for her.
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    I'll take this damn thread where it should go.

    :rolleyes:
  • Brain of J.Lo
    Brain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    This is EXACTLY how Obama got to where he is at, but he is the epitome of GREATNESS, while Palin is MEDIOCRE. I'll take this damn thread where it should go.

    I'm not going to pretend like Obama's personality hasn't played a major role in his successes in life. The qualities that make him "great" are ones that are greatly valued in our society, and a lot of people get very far in life on little more.

    But, no one can deny that there is a huge disparity between Obama's intellect and Palin's. There are just some qualities that no amount of charm or ambition can override, and that's one of them. In this case, that is part of the difference between greatness and mediocrity.
  • Brain of J.Lo
    Brain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    scb wrote:
    Perhaps. But, as you point out, he has gotten somewhere; he has grown. She still has nothing else going for her.


    And her only ambition seems to be ambition.
  • _
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    Brain of J.Lo wrote:
    I'm not going to pretend like Obama's personality hasn't played a major role in his successes in life. The qualities that make him "great" are ones that are greatly valued in our society, and a lot of people get very far in life on little more.

    But, no one can deny that there is a huge disparity between Obama's intellect and Palin's. There are just some qualities that no amount of charm or ambition can override, and that's one of them. In this case, that is part of the difference between greatness and mediocrity.

    EXACTLY!

    Obama is more intelligent, better educated, more respectful, more level-headed, etc., etc.

    Additionally, he uses his charisma for good instead of evil. I remember when the primaries first began and I didn't know as much about him as I do now, but I did know that he was handsome and charming. I told a co-worker that I hoped he didn't win on those qualities alone. She pointed out to me, however, that he uses those qualitiesm (as well as others) to be a great leader.

    Some people may follow Palin, but she uses what power she has to divide people and to fool them with her beauty pageant logic.

    What I see in Obama is someone who unites and inspires people to lead them in a positive direction. I have never known so many regular, perhaps previously apathetic people to volunteer their time, give money, and take their civic duties seriously as I've seen do these things under Obama's leadership. That's just the kind of leader this country needs right now.
  • catefrances
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    oil alternative wrote:
    Maggie Thatcher!

    she was more man than woman. ;):D

    and you should realsie when they speak in the american press of someone arriving what they mean is arriving within the american sphere. there is no other world that counts. ;):p:D
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,294
    Think what you want of Palin, it is just scary to see the hatchet job done on her in the few weeks she's been on the national stage. A well liked governor turned demon in a matter of a week. The DailyKos even went as far to say that her baby was really her daughter's baby. Just scary, and a sign of more to come in the future. It will be tough for any conservative to speak up in this nation without extreme ridicule from the media. This is the environment you all want to live in, so I understand why you like it.

    Look at Eddie's quotes in the new Vote for Change Movie. Where he is on stage at the concert saying all these cusswords because he can. He's referring to free speech. In what you people consider the worst conservative rule in the nation's history, liberals have been able to voice their opinions with little to no ridicule. Eddie cries about free speech, but it seems to me that he has been able to say all that he has ever wanted, and the same with all of the other liberals. Let's hope that conservatives are afforded the same free speech over the next few decades.
  • _
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    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Think what you want of Palin, it is just scary to see the hatchet job done on her in the few weeks she's been on the national stage. A well liked governor turned demon in a matter of a week. The DailyKos even went as far to say that her baby was really her daughter's baby. Just scary, and a sign of more to come in the future. It will be tough for any conservative to speak up in this nation without extreme ridicule from the media. This is the environment you all want to live in, so I understand why you like it.

    Look at Eddie's quotes in the new Vote for Change Movie. Where he is on stage at the concert saying all these cusswords because he can. He's referring to free speech. In what you people consider the worst conservative rule in the nation's history, liberals have been able to voice their opinions with little to no ridicule. Eddie cries about free speech, but it seems to me that he has been able to say all that he has ever wanted, and the same with all of the other liberals. Let's hope that conservatives are afforded the same free speech over the next few decades.

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  • oil alternative
    oil alternative Posts: 192
    catefrances wrote:
    she was more man than woman. ;):D

    and you should realsie when they speak in the american press of someone arriving what they mean is arriving within the american sphere. there is no other world that counts. ;)

    Pretty much like the world series!

    o and Maggie was crackers, we call her milk snatcher thatcher! :)
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