During John McCain's speech he said..

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    slightofjeff wrote:
    If it becomes an issue, it's going to be one that actually works FOR McCain ... he can spin it, "If Obama would have had his way, Iraq would have been lost."

    True or not, that's something that might resonate with millions of Americans.

    Also, don't be surprised to see McCain seize on something Obama said in the O'Reilly interview, "the surge worked beyond anyone's wildest dreams."

    I think McCain can claim it worked exactly the way he thought it would, and score points on foreign policy experience. He can say something to the effect that maybe Obama lacks imagination.

    Another point from the O'Reilly interview: Obama admits the surge worked beyong anyone's wildest expectations, yet says he is STILL against it. McCain's gonna be able to use that against him, too.

    I don't get this whole surge thing...

    I see it this way, if we had never invaded Iraq, would we even be discussing the merits of the "surge"...?

    it's like if a doctor performs unneeded surgery on a person's leg and fucks up which results in having to cut the patient's leg off to save the patients life....and the doctor says "hooray, look at me, I saved his life..."
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    inmytree wrote:
    I don't get this whole surge thing...

    you dont? why? the surge was an additional amount of troops sent in to restore order and help turn over control of dangerous areas back to Iraqis. or was this a rhetorical question. you dont come across as...
    inmytree wrote:
    I see it this way, if we had never invaded Iraq, would we even be discussing the merits of the "surge"...?

    another rhetorical?
    inmytree wrote:
    it's like if a doctor performs unneeded surgery on a person's leg and fucks up which results in having to cut the patient's leg off to save the patients life....and the doctor says "hooray, look at me, I saved his life..."

    yea! kinda like that. maybe you would rather the person die?
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,784
    yeah folks keep drinkin the coolaid ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    spyguy wrote:
    you dont? why? the surge was an additional amount of troops sent in to restore order and help turn over control of dangerous areas back to Iraqis. or was this a rhetorical question. you dont come across as...

    as a what..?
    spyguy wrote:
    another rhetorical?

    nope, just a fact...something you don't seem to be fan of...
    spyguy wrote:
    yea! kinda like that. maybe you would rather the person die?

    of course not, but I would hope the doctor would be held accountable for his actions...don't you...? I would not expect the person who fucked up to expect any positive credit for fixing his/her fuck up...
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,396
    spyguy wrote:

    no one likes war.

    except maybe Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfield. :mad:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    inmytree wrote:

    nope, just a fact...something you don't seem to be fan of...

    hmmm so if there was no war, there would have been no surge. thanks captain obvious.
    inmytree wrote:
    of course not, but I would hope the doctor would be held accountable for his actions...don't you...?

    yep
    inmytree wrote:
    I would not expect the person who fucked up to expect any positive credit for fixing his/her fuck up...

    lets say the patient was your mom. would you give the doctor credit for saving her life? (while at the same time holding him accountable for his mistakes)
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    spyguy wrote:
    hmmm so if there was no war, there would have been no surge. thanks captain obvious.

    good girl, now your getting it...
    spyguy wrote:
    yep

    It's nice to find common ground...
    spyguy wrote:
    lets say the patient was your mom. would you give the doctor credit for saving her life? (while at the same time holding him accountable for his mistakes)

    I'd kick him in the face and sue the shit out if him....
  • Red Burrito
    Red Burrito Posts: 484
    spyguy wrote:
    I had no problem with his speech. I felt like he was talking to me and obama was talking at me. mccain came across as much more real. obama had the rockstar attitude in the big football stadium, very tacky IMO.


    I agree about Obama and his rockstar attitude. For his sake, I wish he would tone it down a bit and be more respectful for how he got where he's at, not just the fact that he's there right now.
    the sorrow grows bigger, when the sorrow's denied
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    what is wrong with people? do some people just have extremely shitty memory or something? where the fuck has everyone been the past 8 years? how will you vote for someone who's running on the same platform as the guy who fucked this country?
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    inmytree wrote:
    good girl, now your getting it...

    the only thing I got out of that was how mind numbing it is to debate with you
    inmytree wrote:
    I'd kick him in the face and sue the shit out if him....

    cool. I probably would to. right after I thanked him for saving her life.

    although I dont you wouldnt kick him in the face. you dont have the balls to do something like that, no offense, just a hunch.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    _outlaw wrote:
    what is wrong with people? do some people just have extremely shitty memory or something? where the fuck has everyone been the past 8 years? how will you vote for someone who's running on the same platform as the guy who fucked this country?

    where have you been? he's not running on the same platform. try to pay attention to whats going on. especially if you plan on voting.

    mccain is one of the most bipartiasn republicans ever to hold office. to say different is plain ignorant.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    spyguy wrote:

    although I dont you wouldnt kick him in the face. you dont have the balls to do something like that, no offense, just a hunch.

    I do...

    trust me...
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    spyguy wrote:
    where have you been? he's not running on the same platform. try to pay attention to whats going on. especially if you plan on voting.

    mccain is one of the most bipartiasn republicans ever to hold office. to say different is plain ignorant.

    exactly...

    he's going to stop voting with bush 90+% of the time because bush won't be in office anymore...

    country first...
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    spyguy wrote:
    where have you been? he's not running on the same platform. try to pay attention to whats going on. especially if you plan on voting.

    mccain is one of the most bipartiasn republicans ever to hold office. to say different is plain ignorant.
    so his foreign policy is different?
    drilling in ANWR is different?
    abortion stance different?
    gay marriage different?
    civil liberties different?
    domestic policy different?

    mind telling me how?
    I mean, he DID vote on like 95% of Bush's policies...
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    _outlaw wrote:
    so his foreign policy is different?
    drilling in ANWR is different?
    abortion stance different?
    gay marriage different?
    civil liberties different?
    domestic policy different?

    mind telling me how?
    I mean, he DID vote on like 95% of Bush's policies...

    throughout mccains career he has extended his hand across the aisle. which is exactly why the far right hated mccain during the early primary process. you are far too young to understand these types of things. you only see people in the matter of 2 years (if that) that you have be paying attention.
  • sweetpotato
    sweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    spyguy wrote:
    yup, thats what I remember. I also thought he handled it very well.


    anyway the point of my thread is to point out the McCain is not PRO WAR, or hoping for war, or going to go to war no matter what, or any of the closed minded opinions/assumptions people have.

    no one likes war.     its just understood by some that national security is important. I think Obama and McCain both recognize that.


    you're either naive or incredibly gullible. pick one, and get back to me.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    spyguy wrote:
    throughout mccains career he has extended his hand across the aisle. which is exactly why the far right hated mccain during the early primary process. you are far too young to understand these types of things. you only see people in the matter of 2 years (if that) that you have be paying attention.
    I'm just curious: do you know you're full of shit or do you ACTUALLY think you're making valid points here?

    I asked you questions, and you gave me this lame excuse of a response to it...
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    spyguy wrote:
    where have you been? he's not running on the same platform. try to pay attention to whats going on. especially if you plan on voting.

    mccain is one of the most bipartiasn republicans ever to hold office. to say different is plain ignorant.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    So McBush is going is stop giving tax exemptions to corporations and tax the rich at a higher level?

    Get your head out of your ass. Your "maverick" talking points aren't fooling anyone, except the retards that fuck their kin in that party that wants to go to war with anyone with brown skin.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    sweetpotato wrote:
    you're either naive or incredibly gullible. pick one, and get back to me.

    you can do better then that. try harder and get back to me.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    _outlaw wrote:
    I'm just curious: do you know you're full of shit or do you ACTUALLY think you're making valid points here?

    I asked you questions, and you gave me this lame excuse of a response to it...

    I'm not going to debate with an 18 year kid with no sense of history outside of Israel and palastine. anything you dont understand you immediately resort to personal attacks like this post of yours.

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