Bill Maher thinks you're a fucking loony

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Not exactly. It really doesn't matter what I think, or what anybody "thinks".

I'd rather leave pointless conversations about opinions aside exactly where they belong, and talk about facts of the matter.

It couldn't have been such a great investigation if no one can approach or explain why there were pools of melted steel found at ground zero.

I want to know why, and what caused it.

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It couldn't have been such a great investigation if no one can approach or explain why there were pools of melted steel found at ground zero.

I want to know why, and what caused it.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/browse_thread/thread/9f7d7b15665b5466/21ca8abafdfaca7a?lnk=raot wrote:

9/11 Truthers:

Did you know that sulfur in a fire is capable of causing melt
formation in steel at lower temperatures than it would otherwise
occur?


Take a read:
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Biederman/Biederman-0112.html
"Rapid deterioration of the steel was a result of heating with
oxidation in combination with intergranular melting due to the
presence of *sulfur*. The formation of the eutectic *mixture* of iron
oxide and iron sulfide *lowers the temperature at which liquid can
form* in this steel. This strongly suggests that the temperatures in
this region of the steel beam approached *~1,000ºC*, forming the
eutectic *liquid* by a process similar to making a "blacksmith's weld"
in a hand forge." (emphases mine)


Where does this sulfur come from? No, not thermate:


http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-01/nsf-sfg011603.php
"The high levels of calcium, strontium, and *sulfur* concentrations
found in the near-surface sediments of the cores, are *consistent*
with presence of *gypsum* as a parent material. Gypsum is extensively
used as drywall in building construction. Copper and zinc are also
common components of building materials. The scientists observed that
this near-surface sediment layer also contained silica-rich fibers and
rods, which may reflect the input of fiberglass from ceiling tiles and
other materials in the World Trade Center towers." (emphases mine
also)


So what appears to have happened at the WTC is that the burning
drywall (Gypsum), fuel from the planes, and more, released large
amounts of sulfur. This would not only have aided in collapsing the
towers due to easier melt formation, but also in generating the
massive amounts of molten steel that were observed in the piles many
months afterwards -- too much time to be accounted for by thermite as
the amount of thermite required could not be hidden.


The huge rubble pile that was created after the collapse was
essentially a big chemistry lab. You've got all sorts of material
burning and releasing molecules of every sort imaginable, all whizzing
around at very high temperature. In addition the pile traps heat. This
heat would cause oxidation of the iron, releasing more heat, which in
turn not only heats the iron more but also all the other combustible
fuels, increasing the amount of free gases and other substances ready
to react with metal, for example sulfur from gypsum would cause
sulfidation of the iron. This mixture of oxidation and sulfidation
promotes liquid formation. So we have the temperature in the pile
going up, and the melting point going down. Once they meet -- bam!
Molten steel! And with a pile that big, it could literally go on for
months. Other sources of sulfur include various petroleum derivatives,
such as generator fuels. In addition sulfur dioxide -- burned sulfur
-- is an oxidizing agent in and of itself (http://www.debunking911.com/
ironburns.htm, http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/mhmi/mmg116.html), and is also
capable of triggering combustion (oxidative chain reaction) of the
iron, and hence lots of heat -- leading to further increase in the
melt volume.


So if molten steel really was found, then this explains it, 100%. No
thermite or thermate or any other incendiary preplaced charges
required at all. Bam. Official theory still stands strong and proud,
and 9/11 Truther theory has crumbled to dust, just like the Twin
Towers.

jeffbr posted this wrote:

So what appears to have happened at the WTC is that the burning
drywall (Gypsum), fuel from the planes, and more, released large
amounts of sulfur. This would not only have aided in collapsing the
towers due to easier melt formation, but also in generating the
massive amounts of molten steel that were observed in the piles many
months afterwards -- too much time to be accounted for by thermite as
the amount of thermite required could not be hidden.


The huge rubble pile that was created after the collapse was
essentially a big chemistry lab. You've got all sorts of material
burning and releasing molecules of every sort imaginable, all whizzing
around at very high temperature. In addition the pile traps heat. This
heat would cause oxidation of the iron, releasing more heat, which in
turn not only heats the iron more but also all the other combustible
fuels, increasing the amount of free gases and other substances ready
to react with metal, for example sulfur from gypsum would cause
sulfidation of the iron. This mixture of oxidation and sulfidation
promotes liquid formation. So we have the temperature in the pile
going up, and the melting point going down. Once they meet -- bam!
Molten steel! And with a pile that big, it could literally go on for
months. Other sources of sulfur include various petroleum derivatives,
such as generator fuels. In addition sulfur dioxide -- burned sulfur
-- is an oxidizing agent in and of itself (http://www.debunking911.com/
ironburns.htm, http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/mhmi/mmg116.html), and is also
capable of triggering combustion (oxidative chain reaction) of the
iron, and hence lots of heat -- leading to further increase in the
melt volume.


So if molten steel really was found, then this explains it, 100%. No
thermite or thermate or any other incendiary preplaced charges
required at all. Bam. Official theory still stands strong and proud,
and 9/11 Truther theory has crumbled to dust, just like the Twin
Towers.

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

and of the melted steel? your thoughts?

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It couldn't have been such a great investigation if no one can approach or explain why there were pools of melted steel found at ground zero.

I want to know why, and what caused it.

69charger wrote:

I can.

Millions of Joules of energy from a falling building + tens of thousands of tons of combustable material + air from subway and other underground pathways + time = blast furnace

Does that work for you?

69charger wrote:

I can.

Millions of Joules of energy from a falling 110 story building + tens of thousands of tons of combustable material + air from subway and other underground pathways + time = blast furnace

Does that work for you?

69charger wrote:

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It's fun to just randomly ingnore reasonable explanations!

Woo-Hoo!

Ca-Ca! Pee-Pee! Doo-Doo!

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Hundreds of tons of it?

69charger wrote:

Prove it.