"It's refuted a lot of gender stereotypes..."

VictoryGin · August 2007

PaperPlates wrote:

Is it sheer numbers, or percentage. And I was only responding to ryan's question about why so many gay men seem to contract diseases.

I think we agree here.

I think.

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i think so too. especially if you like comprehensive sex ed. i was making a general call for that, btw. not asking you specifically.

Ahnimus · August 2007

soulsinging wrote:

genius, the caregiver also works bud. so while you whine about your job, the other caregiver is suffering the same pains of job work. that single parent works his or her ass off at a job for life too chief. only unlike the check-writer, when they go home, they don't get to just kick back and relax and unwind. they come home and have to run kids to soccer or do all those other things. it is like working TWO jobs for the rest of your life. and it is a hell of a lot harder than working one then going home to crack a beer and masturbate.

You don't live in Canada, do you?

I've known many single mothers who do not work and collect almost $3000/month while living in subsidized housing that costs $180/month for a 3-bedroom townhouse. I make about $2000/month and pay $1000/month in bills. That's a difference of almost $2500/month that those single mothers have to raise children with. It can't cost that much. In addition, they don't work, at all!

there is not a child in existence who went their whole life without throwing a single temper tantrum or crying and screaming fit. such children do not exist. the only babies that do not are those in african orphanages becos they have learned nobody is listening and can help them. you cannot reason with a small baby. it cries for attention. try speaking to a parent. studying a textbook does not make you an expert parent. you learn more about child development by spending time with chilldren than looking at graphs.

True, they will have tantrums, but there are a hundred and one ways the parents can react to it. Some of those ways will calm the child, some will exacerbate their discomfort. If a child is screaming for attention, I suggest you give it to them. Children need stimulation to develop, studies show that children who have more positive interaction and instruction from their care-givers develop better and faster.

I've personally known young children that do not throw very many tantrums at all. My cousin will come over to my place and happily wash my walls at age 10. She likes doing it, she likes helping adults and fitting into the adult crowd and she is very well received as an adult. One way to ruin that is to treat her inproperly, as most treat small children. 10 isn't that young, on the other hand my ex-gf had a 5 year old that was very pleasant. She liked to clean up the garbage at the park instead of playing on the swings, she had maybe one tantrum in the 3 months I saw her mother and it ended within a few minutes. Her mother loved her more than anything and they had a solid connection. All it takes is for the mother to withdraw emotionally and the child acts to rectify the disconnect, but it requires a solid relationship.

soulsinging · August 2007

Ahnimus wrote:

You don't live in Canada, do you?

I've known many single mothers who do not work and collect almost $3000/month while living in subsidized housing that costs $180/month for a 3-bedroom townhouse. I make about $2000/month and pay $1000/month in bills. That's a difference of almost $2500/month that those single mothers have to raise children with. It can't cost that much. In addition, they don't work, at all!.

no, i dont. not every single mother is so lucky. and even then, id gladly prefer working for peanuts to dealing with the 24/7 job of handling the emotional crises of kids.

Ahnimus wrote:

True, they will have tantrums, but there are a hundred and one ways the parents can react to it. Some of those ways will calm the child, some will exacerbate their discomfort. If a child is screaming for attention, I suggest you give it to them. Children need stimulation to develop, studies show that children who have more positive interaction and instruction from their care-givers develop better and faster.

I've personally known young children that do not throw very many tantrums at all. My cousin will come over to my place and happily wash my walls at age 10. She likes doing it, she likes helping adults and fitting into the adult crowd and she is very well received as an adult. One way to ruin that is to treat her inproperly, as most treat small children. 10 isn't that young, on the other hand my ex-gf had a 5 year old that was very pleasant. She liked to clean up the garbage at the park instead of playing on the swings, she had maybe one tantrum in the 3 months I saw her mother and it ended within a few minutes. Her mother loved her more than anything and they had a solid connection. All it takes is for the mother to withdraw emotionally and the child acts to rectify the disconnect, but it requires a solid relationship.

precisely, anytime they cry or call, you have to be there. that was my point. you get home from work, and you cannot relax or unwind. you must be receptive to their every demand. there is no rest, no breaks, for parents.

Jeanie · August 2007

Is it just me or has this thread become a platform for some rather nasty gender stereotypes?

Ahnimus · August 2007

soulsinging wrote:

no, i dont. not every single mother is so lucky. and even then, id gladly prefer working for peanuts to dealing with the 24/7 job of handling the emotional crises of kids.

precisely, anytime they cry or call, you have to be there. that was my point. you get home from work, and you cannot relax or unwind. you must be receptive to their every demand. there is no rest, no breaks, for parents.

You don't come home to the wife saying "I looked after the kids all day, it's your turn!"?

Work requires all of your attention the entire time you are there.

Juberoo · August 2007

soulsinging wrote:

interesting. becos i've heard that child-birth, women's sex drive plummets. maybe only single or childless women do that.

ROFL this is the most rediculous thing I have heard here yet! Childbirth causes a womans sex drive to plummet? What women are you associating with? They are giving you completely made up information. Oh...right...its probably the guys in the dorm!

Juberoo · August 2007

soulsinging wrote:

figures, when they're at their peak of sex appeal and looking their hottest, they don't want you to touch them. but once they get to the point where the last thing you wanna do is bury your face in those wrinkles, suddenly they want you all the time.

UHHH don't forget that when THEY have wrinkles...so will YOU!!!!!

RolandTD20Kdrummer · August 2007

gue_barium wrote:

When I was a virgin, I told my girlfriend I had had sex before.

After the first time, she said, "I'm proud to be your first."

I'm a horrible liar.

How long did you wait before deflating her?

sorry... couldn't refuse...

Juberoo · August 2007

soulsinging wrote:

no shit. which brings us back to my initial advice... don't let that lovey dovey, touchy-feely crap cloud your mind. make sure she's going to be a tiger in bed. otherwise, the sweetest girl in the world can't hold your interest if she has absolutely zero sexuality.

And interest in a woman is defined only by her sexual prowess??? DAMN are you shallow!

surferdude · August 2007

Juberoo wrote:

ROFL this is the most rediculous thing I have heard here yet! Childbirth causes a womans sex drive to plummet? What women are you associating with? They are giving you completely made up information. Oh...right...its probably the guys in the dorm!

Maybe ss is confusing childbirth making a woman's sex drive plummet and having sex with ss making a woman's sex drive plummet.

Juberoo · August 2007

"Oh yeah? Then why is it that gay men tend to transmit alot of STDs?"
Because they are more prone to reject condoms.

Ahnimus · August 2007

Juberoo wrote:

"Oh yeah? Then why is it that gay men tend to transmit alot of STDs?"
Because they are more prone to reject condoms.

No more than straight men.

Juberoo · August 2007

surferdude wrote:

Maybe ss is confusing childbirth making a woman's sex drive plummet and having sex with ss making a woman's sex drive plummet.

I think you are right! LOL

Juberoo · August 2007

Ahnimus wrote:

No more than straight men.

Wrong. Also, homosexual men average more sexual partners than heterosexual men. Being that homosexual men are statistically lower in number than heterosexual men, this ratio is measured accordingly.

Ahnimus · August 2007

Juberoo wrote:

Wrong. Also, homosexual men average more sexual partners than heterosexual men. Being that homosexual men are statistically lower in number than heterosexual men, this ratio is measured accordingly.

According to who?

Cosmo · August 2007

CorporateWhore wrote:

Well it's just 'touching sex,' not sexual intercourse. Regardless of what she thinks about random sex, I'm glad we're dating. I'd rather wait on sex than screw up the relationship.

She chooses not have have legitimate sex because she thinks what we do now isn't real sex. The church obviously thinks differently. She views sex as being only intercourse.

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Okay... now I understand why you say some of the fucked up shit you say in those political discussions... I'll back off a bit.
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But, after you've 69'ed and done some bedroom rodeo style bulldoggin'... and one of my favorites... the reverse cowgirl... you should lighten up on the tight ass, not gettin' laid conservative rhetoric bullshit. If nothing changes... it means you ain't doin' it right.

angelica · August 2007

Ahnimus wrote:

You don't live in Canada, do you?

I've known many single mothers who do not work and collect almost $3000/month while living in subsidized housing that costs $180/month for a 3-bedroom townhouse. I make about $2000/month and pay $1000/month in bills. That's a difference of almost $2500/month that those single mothers have to raise children with. It can't cost that much. In addition, they don't work, at all!

:rolleyes:

If you know people with this money as single mothers, in Ontario, they are doing something illegal or they have 20 children. I know all aspects of the social system in Ontario, and this is patently false. People constantly pass on myths re: the system, such as the ludicrous and common one: "oh, single mothers in Ontario have houses given to them, and their educations paid for". False. 3000 dollars per month is truly a new one to me.
As a single mother I lived on "Family Allowance" for years. I also lived on disability support, which supports one at a much higher level, relatively speaking. All the while living in two and three bedroom "subsidized" geared-to-income townhouses**. At most I received 1/3 of the amount you quote, while raising 2 kids.

**Note, subsidized housing is based on one's income, so there is no way in the world it's possible that someone makes $3,000 a month and pays $180 rent, considering the idea is that the rent is supposed to be something like 1/4 of one's income. Single mother mythology.

EDIT: I apologize, Ahnimus, for my snarky tone, here. If you are not referring to mothers on social assistance, I misunderstood the subject matter when I did not read back far enough. I read about you saying these women do not work and it seems I erroneously assumed you referred to mothers on social assistance.

Ahnimus · August 2007

Cosmo wrote:

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Okay... now I understand why you say some of the fucked up shit you say in those political discussions... I'll back off a bit.
...
But, after you've 69'ed and done some bedroom rodeo style bulldoggin'... and one of my favorites... the reverse cowgirl... you should lighten up on the tight ass, not gettin' laid conservative rhetoric bullshit. If nothing changes... it means you ain't doin' it right.

Rodeo Sex! W00t!

Cosmo · August 2007

angelica wrote:

:rolleyes:

If you know people with this money as single mothers, in Ontario, they are doing something illegal or they have 20 children. I know all aspects of the social system in Ontario, and this is patently false. People constantly pass on myths re: the system, such as the ludicrous and common one: "oh, single mothers in Ontario have houses given to them, and their educations paid for". False. 3000 dollars per month is truly a new one to me.
As a single mother I lived on "Family Allowance" for years. I also lived on disability support, which supports one at a much higher level, relatively speaking. All the while living in two and three bedroom "subsidized" geared-to-income townhouses**. At most I received 1/3 of the amount you quote, while raising 2 kids.

**Note, subsidized housing is based on one's income, so there is no way in the world it's possible that someone makes $3,000 a month and pays $180 rent, considering the idea is that the rent is supposed to be something like 1/4 of one's income. Single mother mythology.

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I know a lot of single moms. There is a HUGE difference betwen Single Moms and Welfare Moms. I do not know one Welfare Mom.
The Single Moms I know (well, have known...) have jobs and love their kids. The kids have ranged in age from little kids (not infants because I have this irrational fear of infants) to teenagers to kids into their 20s. Many.. er, most or them deal with deadbeat dads who have no part of their kid's lives.
They are just trying to raise their kids as best they can and really don't need to be cast is the same net as the mother of 20 collecting welfare for 40. Their life is hard enough.

angelica · August 2007

Cosmo wrote:

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I know a lot of single moms. There is a HUGE difference betwen Single Moms and Welfare Moms. I do not know one Welfare Mom.
The Single Moms I know (well, have known...) have jobs and love their kids. The kids have ranged in age from little kids (not infants because I have this irrational fear of infants) to teenagers to kids into their 20s. Many.. er, most or them deal with deadbeat dads who have no part of their kid's lives.
They are just trying to raise their kids as best they can and really don't need to be cast is the same net as the mother of 20 collecting welfare for 40. Their life is hard enough.

Okay...I didn't read back far enough. And maybe still have not....

If he's saying they don't work, and are receiving nearly 3000 per month in child support and or alimony, I find that very questionable. I don't know one case where someone receives that type of money.

The subsidized housing thing stands. It's literally impossible that they legitimately have nearly 3,000 dollars per month in income and pay $180 rent. In subsidized housing I paid more than that making 1/3 less than that. Literally.

If you've got preconceived notions about "welfare" moms, considering you admittedly don't know any, as opposed to "legitimate" single moms, point noted. It's my mistake if I spoke not knowing the subject matter, but I thought since he said they didn't work that he referred to mothers on social assistance and therefore I was not at all attempting to paint any mother in a bad light, but rather I am not comfortable with the myths re: the easy street mothers of all kinds, who "do not work", are on.

"It's refuted a lot of gender stereotypes..."

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