I'm sitting in a Pro Life meeting right now...

scb wrote:

There's a lot of non-answering of questions going on around here.

I'm so sorry for the loss of your two babies though. :(

Just that--thank you.

edit: n/m... I'm not jumping in anymore!

You're not changing me, I'm not changing you...

No one here is open-minded... myself included...

drsluggo wrote:

That is how you see it, but not have the people on the other side see it. At least I'm willing to concede to you that you see it that way -- but the way the other side sees it is that you are making a 'choice' to kill. Yet you're more than willing and happy to kill baby after baby.

Weird.

At what point do you consider it a baby?

Conception?

Are you Anit-IUD's?

Are you anti Day after pill?

I really am curious....

drsluggo wrote:

but they're all so happy to abort as many babies as they can because they can.

WOW!!!

You must know some CRAZY people.

I guess I KIND OF understand why you feel as you do if you think that statement is true. :(

That's sad....

No one WANTS to have an abortion. Sometimes it can be the lesser of two evils.
Women using birth control get pregnant. And it's not just unmarried women who don't want children. It happens. If having sex is irresponsible then God help us all.

People need to understand that pro-choice is NOT pro-abortion. No one in their right mind believes that it is a good solution.

It is simply that. A womans right to CHOOSE what she believes is the right and best way.

And I have never met a woman who believes that it should be used as a form of contraception.

scb wrote:

So I’ll just ask you straight-up: are you pro-choice?

Thanks again for the thoughtful conversation.

Likewise...great conversation. I am most certainly pro-choice and am usually arguing with conservatives about this issue, but I do have a tendency to play devil's advocate when the opportunity arises. Without getting any deeper into the argument, I think that the Church has a long way to go (priests that can marry, female clergy, homosexuality fully accepted, etc) but so does humanity. My philosophy of life and religion goes like this:

People read too much into religion (whether they follow it or do not). For the most part, the morals of religions are not in place to ensure a nice cozy spot in heaven through Jesus' 10 club membership. Rather, people don't realize that morals actually make our corporeal lives better and the lives of those around us too. Jesus taught two commandments and said they replace all others: Love God above all else and love your neighbour. The second is found in all beliefs system as the "golden rule". That is why although I identify myself as a Catholic, I believe equally in the validity of pretty much all faiths. That is to say I do not exclude the teachings of the Prophet, Buddha, or anyone else for that matter from the development of my own beliefs. So, we should love everyone no matter how much we disagree with them. And honestly it's hard-I mean I have very little tolerance for the ignorant but notwithstanding what I said in this thread, I have no aversion to anyone no matter how many abortions they have. It's more likely that I have a problem with them if they are an obnoxious idiot-just being a little tongue-in-cheek.

tom.

writersu wrote:

No, I am sure very few "women" would use it as a form of contraception. Ni woman who would be fully aware that this is still a surgical procedure that after the decision is made to go forth and have an abortion, it is trauma to her body.
But I know when I was a teenager, there were many girls who had multiple abortions and that is what I mean by saying that it was used as a contraception method, an afterthought of unprotected sex that resulted in pregnancy. I do hope that girls nowadays are better equipped to be able to be ammune from that.
I was not judging I do hope you know. And no, pro choice is not anti baby by any means. I was simply stating that we can't ever begin to know what goes on inside someone's mind or body or life to judge them; we can only say what we might do given the same set of circumstance.

I wish to be respectful to people here as well as everywhere else I might encounter them, so I do hope you didn't think I was putting anyone down.

I agree with you, but just have a few comments:

1. Abortion is not necessarily a surgical procedure. For one thing, there is now the abortion pill (not the same thing as the morning after pill) available for pregnancies up to 9 weeks (which accounts for most abortions). This is completely non-invasive. Secondly, it's debatable whether even a "surgical abortion" should be called that since, although it is an invasive procedure, it's not a surgery in the sense that most people think of the term. I mean, there are no incisions or anything.

2. I don't know how you define trauma to the body, but I always think it's important to note that abortion is a quick, simple, and common procedure that is considerably safer than having a baby. So, when faced with the decision of whether to have a baby or an abortion, the abortion is by far the safest bet.

3.

writersu wrote:

we can't ever begin to know what goes on inside someone's mind or body or life to judge them.

EXACTLY!! And that's the most important point.

4.

writersu wrote:

we can only say what we might do given the same set of circumstance.

I think your use of the word "might" is what's most important in this statement. Many, many, many people think they know what they would do in the same situation, but even they don't really know until each time they're faced with it. (Each time meaning that even if you've been in this situation before, you still don't know for sure what you'll do if ever you're in it again.)

PJBuckeye wrote:

Ya, because my top priority in life is dominating your body. I really don't care about saving an innocent life from becoming another victim in a pointless genocide. Ya, just to control you. Definitely, that's it.

Isn't you view based on your religion? I don't want your religion to be in control of America.

Your sarcasm does not refute the fact that you want to control what medical decisions a woman makes about her own body.

scb wrote:

I agree with you, but just have a few comments:

1. Abortion is not necessarily a surgical procedure. For one thing, there is now the abortion pill (not the same thing as the morning after pill) available for pregnancies up to 9 weeks (which accounts for most abortions). This is completely non-invasive. Secondly, it's debatable whether even a "surgical abortion" should be called that since, although it is an invasive procedure, it's not a surgery in the sense that most people think of the term. I mean, there are no incisions or anything.

2. I don't know how you define trauma to the body, but I always think it's important to note that abortion is a quick, simple, and common procedure that is considerably safer than having a baby. So, when faced with the decision of whether to have a baby or an abortion, the abortion is by far the safest bet.

3.

EXACTLY!! And that's the most important point.

4.

I think your use of the word "might" is what's most important in this statement. Many, many, many people think they know what they would do in the same situation, but even they don't really know until each time they're faced with it. (Each time meaning that even if you've been in this situation before, you still don't know for sure what you'll do if ever you're in it again.)

Ok, well here is my spin. One abortion I knew of was awake, and the girl was given whatever the substance is to induce an orchestrated "miscarriage" so to speak, and the other friend of mine, both first trimester was put to sleep and had it done. One, the last one, had to face the protesters who yelled to her "don't kill your baby!", she was 16! Then I had a friend who was like maybe 22 and she got pregnant from a guy that wasn't her boyfriend with twins and she had a second trimester abortion where you have the labor and deliver.........well, you get it.

I am no dr by any means or close to it, but I can't help but wonder when your body begins to expell fetus' just because of the past history of abortions. Is that even possible? Idk...........anyone?