What's the fucking deal with Palestinians?

swallowedwords
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edited May 2008 in A Moving Train
I just thought I'd give equal time here. :)
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    You didn't even put them in quotes this time. How enlightenend. :)
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  • swallowedwords
    swallowedwords Posts: 1,093
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    You didn't even put them in quotes this time. How enlightenend. :)

    True. I thought I'd make a concession to move towards peace on this board.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    You mean they exist?

    Someone should have told Golda Meir...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    i know, right??? why the fuck can't they just leave their homes q/o bitching they are being bulldozed down to make illegal settlements in violation of UN resolutions???? god, they make me soooooo mad!!! :mad:

    and if i hear one more bitch and whine about checkpoints cutting them off from access to medical facilities, income, food... those things are for the jews ONLY

    can't they just quietly take the bullets in their and their children's backs????

    the nerve of some ppl
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • swallowedwords
    swallowedwords Posts: 1,093
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You mean they exist?

    Someone should have told Golda Meir...

    Maybe, one day all Arabs/Muslims will recognize Israel's right to exist. One can dream the impossible dream. :)
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    swallowedwords wrote:
    True. I thought I'd make a concession to move towards peace on this board.

    Now if only both Israel and Palestine could follow your lead over there, maybe some progress could be made. I don't think you're going to find too many people supporting suicide bombings. What you might find is people sympathetic to the Palestinian's plight, and understanding why they're driven to such awful measures.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    swallowedwords wrote:
    Maybe, one day all Arabs/Muslims will recognize Israel's right to exist. One can dream the impossible dream. :)

    The method for proclaiming existence kinda sucked.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Now if only both Israel and Palestine could follow your lead over there, maybe some progress could be made. I don't think you're going to find too many people supporting suicide bombings. What you might find is people sympathetic to the Palestinian's plight, and understanding why they're driven to such awful measures.


    especially when you compare how many israeli's die compared to how many palestinians are killed
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • swallowedwords
    swallowedwords Posts: 1,093
    El_Kabong wrote:
    i know, right??? why the fuck can't they just leave their homes q/o bitching they are being bulldozed down to make illegal settlements in violation of UN resolutions???? god, they make me soooooo mad!!! :mad:

    and if i hear one more bitch and whine about checkpoints cutting them off from access to medical facilities, income, food... those things are for the jews ONLY

    can't they just quietly take the bullets in their and their children's backs????

    the nerve of some ppl

    Also, why the fuck can't Jewish kids just suck it up and live with the fact that when they step on their school bus in the morning, there's a chance some Jihadist will blow them all up into ground meat? C'mon Jews, it isn't that bad having mortars launched into your homes from Gaza and southern Lebanon. Get a freaking backbone!
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    El_Kabong wrote:
    especially when you compared how many israeli's die compared to how many palestinians are killed

    Exactly. You can support the Palestinians' need to escape Israel's oppression without supporting the killing of innocent people, just like you could support Ireland's need for independence without condoning the terrorist acts of the IRA. The deaths of innocent people is what we're trying to avoid here, on both sides.
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  • swallowedwords
    swallowedwords Posts: 1,093
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Now if only both Israel and Palestine could follow your lead over there, maybe some progress could be made. I don't think you're going to find too many people supporting suicide bombings. What you might find is people sympathetic to the Palestinian's plight, and understanding why they're driven to such awful measures.

    I have a hard time sympathizing with people who hang posters of suicide bombers on their streets. It's difficult for me to sympathize with people who consider all Jews as swine. I have a hard time feeling compassion for people who teach their kids from the earliest of ages that all non-muslims are not worthy of life, and to martyr yourself while killing innocents is an honorable goal.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    swallowedwords wrote:
    Also, why the fuck can't Jewish kids just suck it up and live with the fact that when they step on their school bus in the morning, there's a chance some Jihadist will blow them all up into ground meat? C'mon Jews, it isn't that bad having mortars launched into your homes from Gaza and southern Lebanon. Get a freaking backbone!

    That's such a one-sided view of things, I'm not surprised you made such horrible remarks before.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    swallowedwords wrote:
    Also, why the fuck can't Jewish kids just suck it up and live with the fact that when they step on their school bus in the morning, there's a chance some Jihadist will blow them all up into ground meat? C'mon Jews, it isn't that bad having mortars launched into your homes from Gaza and southern Lebanon. Get a freaking backbone!


    When a balance is disturbed by an external force a reaction takes place.

    Creating around a million homeless people by lethal force (and enforcing it ruthlessly) carries with it a few consequences.

    I'm pretty sure the holocaust was not supposed to be a "pay it forward" situation.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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    ( o.O)
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  • swallowedwords
    swallowedwords Posts: 1,093
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    That's such a one-sided view of things, I'm not surprised you made such horrible remarks before.

    Unfortunately, what I said is true.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    swallowedwords wrote:
    Unfortunately, what I said is true.

    From a certain point of view. But as long as that's the prevailing point of view, you're only looking at symptoms. Not the cause of the problem.
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  • swallowedwords
    swallowedwords Posts: 1,093
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    From a certain point of view. But as long as that's the prevailing point of view, you're only looking at symptoms. Not the cause of the problem.

    The cause of the problem could be the radical view of Islam many take. I don't see Arab Christians blowing themselves up.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    swallowedwords wrote:
    Also, why the fuck can't Jewish kids just suck it up and live with the fact that when they step on their school bus in the morning, there's a chance some Jihadist will blow them all up into ground meat? C'mon Jews, it isn't that bad having mortars launched into your homes from Gaza and southern Lebanon. Get a freaking backbone!


    a bit over dramatic, aren't ya??

    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Suicide+and+Other+Bombing+Attacks+in+Israel+Since.htm
    Suicide and Other Bombing Attacks in Israel Since the Declaration of Principles (Sept 1993)

    10 in 2005 - 24 dead, 3 killed no one
    3 in 2006 - 15 dead
    1 in 2007 - 3 dead
    2 this year - 9 dead


    that doesn't add up to very many dead Israeli's in the past 4 years, especially compared to just these TWO articles:

    From the Independent in 2006:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/palestinian-death-toll-triples-this-year-430218.html

    Palestinian death toll triples this year
    The number of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza Strip tripled this year, according to an Israeli human rights organisation. B'Tselem said 660 Palestinians had been killed during 2006, including 141 minors. The report claimed that at least 322 of those killed were not fighters.

    Israel eclipsed Palestine's 4 year death toll in a single year!

    From Amnesty International this year:
    http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/children-and-civilian-bystanders-gaza-death-toll-20080303


    Children and civilian bystanders in Gaza death toll

    Israeli military air strikes and artillery attacks on the Gaza Strip during the last few days have killed over 100 Palestinians, including dozens of children and other civilian bystanders. Three Israelis – a civilian killed by a rocket fired by a Palestinian armed group on 27 February and two soldiers – were also killed.

    Many of the Palestinians killed were militants involved in attacks on Israel, but others were unarmed civilians taking no part in the hostilities, including some 25 children. The precise number of civilians killed is unclear and difficult to establish.

    The Israeli chief of staff is reported to have claimed that 90 percent of those killed were militants, but the UN and other sources, including those in Gaza, suggest that as many as half of the dead were civilians. More than 250 other people, including scores of unarmed civilians, have been injured.

    Israeli forces also destroyed houses and property across the Gaza Strip, including at least two medical facilities, before withdrawing on 3 March.


    israel eclipsed the 4 year toll in just a few days!!
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    swallowedwords wrote:
    I have a hard time sympathizing with people who hang posters of suicide bombers on their streets. It's difficult for me to sympathize with people who consider all Jews as swine. I have a hard time feeling compassion for people who teach their kids from the earliest of ages that all non-muslims are not worthy of life, and to martyr yourself while killing innocents is an honorable goal.


    and there's plenty of ppl and even school who teach their kids to hate muslims. like the school that had kids write letters to the idf like 'kill a thousand arabs for me!' 'the only good arab is a dead arab!'
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    swallowedwords wrote:
    The cause of the problem could be the radical view of Islam many take. I don't see Arab Christians blowing themselves up.

    Why do you automatically assume it's down to radical Islam? If you lived in a country occupied by a government and military who refuse to acknowledge your basic human rights, you'd probably be driven to drastic measures yourself. Entirely separate from any sort of religious conflict, desperation can make a man do horrible things.

    So the smart thing to do would be to see what makes those men desperate, and solve that.
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  • swallowedwords
    swallowedwords Posts: 1,093
    El_Kabong wrote:
    a bit over dramatic, aren't ya??

    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Suicide+and+Other+Bombing+Attacks+in+Israel+Since.htm
    Suicide and Other Bombing Attacks in Israel Since the Declaration of Principles (Sept 1993)

    10 in 2005 - 24 dead, 3 killed no one
    3 in 2006 - 15 dead
    1 in 2007 - 3 dead
    2 this year - 9 dead


    that doesn't add up to very many dead Israeli's in the past 4 years, especially compared to just these TWO articles:

    From the Independent in 2006:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/palestinian-death-toll-triples-this-year-430218.html

    Palestinian death toll triples this year
    The number of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza Strip tripled this year, according to an Israeli human rights organisation. B'Tselem said 660 Palestinians had been killed during 2006, including 141 minors. The report claimed that at least 322 of those killed were not fighters.

    Israel eclipsed Palestine's 4 year death toll in a single year!

    From Amnesty International this year:
    http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/children-and-civilian-bystanders-gaza-death-toll-20080303


    Children and civilian bystanders in Gaza death toll

    Israeli military air strikes and artillery attacks on the Gaza Strip during the last few days have killed over 100 Palestinians, including dozens of children and other civilian bystanders. Three Israelis – a civilian killed by a rocket fired by a Palestinian armed group on 27 February and two soldiers – were also killed.

    Many of the Palestinians killed were militants involved in attacks on Israel, but others were unarmed civilians taking no part in the hostilities, including some 25 children. The precise number of civilians killed is unclear and difficult to establish.

    The Israeli chief of staff is reported to have claimed that 90 percent of those killed were militants, but the UN and other sources, including those in Gaza, suggest that as many as half of the dead were civilians. More than 250 other people, including scores of unarmed civilians, have been injured.

    Israeli forces also destroyed houses and property across the Gaza Strip, including at least two medical facilities, before withdrawing on 3 March.


    Retaliation is a bitch, isn't it? Again, all of this would end if the Arabs truly wanted peace with Israel. Like I said before, unfortunately, many won't rest until every Jew is pushed into the sea. There was a great chance to attain a peaceful settlement in the late 90s, but good old Yasser Arafat wasn't interested in peace.
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