i'm for affirmative action...

Roll Model
Roll Model Posts: 70
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
can anyone talk me out of this?

i was just thinking bout it, and i am totally for it, i see it as a good thing. but it was recently thrown out in michigan.

no argument has swayed my view, thought i'd see what ya'll thought
since you all are so opinionated :)
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Sounds like a good idea. Can we apply affirmative action to the NBA as a pilot program? Caucasians and hispanics are woefully under represented. Affirmative action would sure aid this travesty of justice and put an end to the ongoing racism inherent in the NBA.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    There is also a strong bias in the adult entertainment industry.
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  • Reynaldo6
    Reynaldo6 Posts: 80
    surferdude wrote:
    Sounds like a good idea. Can we apply affirmative action to the NBA as a pilot program? Caucasians and hispanics are woefully under represented. Affirmative action would sure aid this travesty of justice and put an end to the ongoing racism inherent in the NBA.

    it would be hard to get rid of racism in the NBA but it would prevent a lot of problems
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  • Alex_Coe
    Alex_Coe Posts: 762
    Roll Model wrote:
    can anyone talk me out of this?

    i was just thinking bout it, and i am totally for it, i see it as a good thing. but it was recently thrown out in michigan.

    no argument has swayed my view, thought i'd see what ya'll thought
    since you all are so opinionated :)


    You are a sucker of cock. Seriously. AA is one of maybe 2 things on the entire planet that actually makes me mad. Damn.

    When will the gov't learn you can't write a law to make racial equality?
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    Roll Model wrote:
    can anyone talk me out of this?

    i was just thinking bout it, and i am totally for it, i see it as a good thing. but it was recently thrown out in michigan.

    no argument has swayed my view, thought i'd see what ya'll thought
    since you all are so opinionated :)

    Did they throw out their U of M legacy points when they did this?
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  • Reynaldo6
    Reynaldo6 Posts: 80
    as americans we need afirmative action it is highly unlikely. because i personally dont like immagrants who take jobs for less money and hit and run because they dont have insurance and dont have insurance because they are illegal.
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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    I am a white male and am 100 percent for affirmative action. With all that our ancestors have done, lynchings, rapes, murders, castrations, harassment, discrimination, systematic disenfranchisment, denied the right of others to vote, forced african americans to live in ramshackle neighborhoods, gentrification, racism, projects, wanton police who murder and brutalize young males merely for being black, racial profiling etc...

    How can you not be for affirmative action?

    And if you are a white person who is against it, let me ask you this. Are you against legacies? The most famous legacy in the world is the current resident of the white house. He got into yale just as his grandpa and daddy did. Could that have anything to do with it? How can a man who is so CLEARLY a beneficiary of affirmative action for whites, be so against it for nonwhites?

    How do people condone others getting into college, if their daddy paid the university alot of money? How is that fair. But you dont hear people calling for the abolishment of that, do you!

    Our whole country, and our whole way of life called capitalism and industrialization is built off the blood, sweat and tears of blacks and natives, who toiled for little or no reciprocity.

    The least we can do is to allow them to get to go to school, or to go to work. Anyone who is antiaffirmative action, frankly, is proracism
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    the michigan case wasnt affirmative action if I remember correctly, it was a bunch of white students who said they were discriminated against. That gave me a chuckle or two. Yeah, like some white bread crackers have experienced the horrific conditions that african americans have. I mean give me a king sized break.

    Affirmative action exists in many forms. Part of it, results in beneficial things. At least for whites. As a white male, I will never be looked at in a store as a suspect of theft, merely because of the color of my skin. I will never be the victim of racism. I will never be called racist names. I am the generic human being for godssake! People will never assume that I am lazy because of the color of my skin. People will never assume I am a criminal and rapist because of the color of my skin. people will never label me a "thug".

    I will never be asked to speak for my race and my gender. I will never be the victim of institutionalized racism.

    I use affirmative action or its uses are thrown on me every day. But no one blinks. its time to extend that to other people who actually need it. I dont need affirmative action. Others do. And for that I support it 100 percent
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    How can you not be for affirmative action?
    Anyone who is antiaffirmative action, frankly, is proracism

    I'm anti-affirmative action because I think basing something entirely on race is racist and wrong.

    I am also against legacies. Never understood them, it's the good ole boys club. If it's a private university not much you can do though.

    You last statement is utterly ridiculous and just plain stupid.
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  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    Alex_Coe wrote:
    You are a sucker of cock. Seriously. AA is one of maybe 2 things on the entire planet that actually makes me mad. Damn.

    When will the gov't learn you can't write a law to make racial equality?

    i'm pretty sure you can... emancipation proclamation?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    I am a white male and am 100 percent for affirmative action. With all that our ancestors have done, lynchings, rapes, murders, castrations, harassment, discrimination, systematic disenfranchisment, denied the right of others to vote, forced african americans to live in ramshackle neighborhoods, gentrification, racism, projects, wanton police who murder and brutalize young males merely for being black, racial profiling etc...

    How can you not be for affirmative action?

    And if you are a white person who is against it, let me ask you this. Are you against legacies? The most famous legacy in the world is the current resident of the white house. He got into yale just as his grandpa and daddy did. Could that have anything to do with it? How can a man who is so CLEARLY a beneficiary of affirmative action for whites, be so against it for nonwhites?

    How do people condone others getting into college, if their daddy paid the university alot of money? How is that fair. But you dont hear people calling for the abolishment of that, do you!

    Our whole country, and our whole way of life called capitalism and industrialization is built off the blood, sweat and tears of blacks and natives, who toiled for little or no reciprocity.

    The least we can do is to allow them to get to go to school, or to go to work. Anyone who is antiaffirmative action, frankly, is proracism

    My ancestors didn't do any of that stuff, speak for yourself.
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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    again, I pose the question. For those white american's on this board, who are antiaffirmative action. Are you willing to give up your affirmative action that manifests itself daily?

    I listed a bunch of random daily activities that are affirmative action for whites but never get called into question. If your white and antiaffirmative action, why dont you protest these things as well?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    again, I pose the question. For those white american's on this board, who are antiaffirmative action. Are you willing to give up your affirmative action that manifests itself daily?

    I listed a bunch of random daily activities that are affirmative action for whites but never get called into question. If your white and antiaffirmative action, why dont you protest these things as well?

    It's not something that I can give up. How exactly do you protest some clerk in a store not thinking you are a thief anyhow? I think you are being a bt silly here.

    Certainly, blacks still deal with daily acts/thoughts or racism. Some even subconcious I'm sure. That is not fair at all. I just don't think doing the exact opposite and giving someone a leg up simply because of their race is the solution. I think it continues to separate by color and is a step backwards.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I've spent a lot of time thinking about it. Bottom line. We need to think about what is going to happen down the road, what are people going to think about racism in the future, as well as now. The best way to tackle it, is to make it a non-issue. If we focus on white hating blacks or some other configuration, we are setting up a stereotype, a common thought, or "sense". What Einstein said was "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.".

    If you think about it, all this stuff:

    Men are more violent than women
    White men are more racist than blacks
    Girls mature faster than boys

    Stuff like this is "common sense", probably started by some statistics 50 years ago. It doesn't say anything about what's happening in the world today and it's giving false impressions about our culture, which in turn creates tension. We should almost just forget that this stuff happens as a whole and focus on per case scenarios.
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  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    Affirmative action based on race is ridiculous.

    Just make higher education free.
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  • Alex_Coe
    Alex_Coe Posts: 762
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    I am a white male and am 100 percent for affirmative action. With all that our ancestors have done, lynchings, rapes, murders, castrations, harassment, discrimination, systematic disenfranchisment, denied the right of others to vote, forced african americans to live in ramshackle neighborhoods, gentrification, racism, projects, wanton police who murder and brutalize young males merely for being black, racial profiling etc...

    How can you not be for affirmative action?

    And if you are a white person who is against it, let me ask you this. Are you against legacies? The most famous legacy in the world is the current resident of the white house. He got into yale just as his grandpa and daddy did. Could that have anything to do with it? How can a man who is so CLEARLY a beneficiary of affirmative action for whites, be so against it for nonwhites?

    How do people condone others getting into college, if their daddy paid the university alot of money? How is that fair. But you dont hear people calling for the abolishment of that, do you!

    Our whole country, and our whole way of life called capitalism and industrialization is built off the blood, sweat and tears of blacks and natives, who toiled for little or no reciprocity.

    The least we can do is to allow them to get to go to school, or to go to work. Anyone who is antiaffirmative action, frankly, is proracism

    I should be punished for my great-grandpa's actions. Yeah. Fuck that.
  • Alex_Coe
    Alex_Coe Posts: 762
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    i'm pretty sure you can... emancipation proclamation?

    The emancipation proclamation didn't make blacks equal to whites. It gave them some legal rights, but not one shred of social status.

    A LAW can't make social equality. Fuck... I mean, Cabbage.
  • Roll Model
    Roll Model Posts: 70
    i don't supprot affirmative action because i think it's something white people owe black people.
    what i support is more diversity in universities. =)

    i'm thinking in particular of medical school. one person can have a dream, and passion to be doctor. but what makes a good doctor? good grades?

    one person argued that aa isn't fair because the university should accept the student based on grades, and not race. but i tell you selfish, egotistical, money hungry, smart young people with good grades become doctors every year (i'm not calling white people evil, they're not all white either, but they have money)
    but these are not the kind of people i want in the medical field. i want people who view medicine as a service to the people, helping find solutions to problems, i want doctors who are compassionate and caring, sympathic to the needs of society. not doctors who only see $$
    which is what is rampant in america today.

    the point is people with money want their children to be sucessful too, which usually means professional school. which is frickin expensive! and frankly impossible when you come to the table with less means. it doesn't mean that less means is less equip, i see as aa as a mode to breaking down some of these barriers and giving different cultures a chance to make it in this country.
  • Roll Model
    Roll Model Posts: 70
    Alex_Coe wrote:
    You are a sucker of cock. Seriously. AA is one of maybe 2 things on the entire planet that actually makes me mad. Damn.

    When will the gov't learn you can't write a law to make racial equality?


    then talk me out of it...
    and i love the cock btw
  • DOSW
    DOSW Posts: 2,014
    Alex_Coe wrote:
    I should be punished for my great-grandpa's actions. Yeah. Fuck that.

    This is why I'm not a big fan of affirmative action. I'm not in the least bit racist, so why should I be punished because some of my ancestors might have been? It makes no sense. I didn't do anything to deserve ANY kind of handicap of any size against my chances of landing a spot in a university or a nice job.

    Yeah, yeah, I know... poor me, the white middle-class male. I realize that other races do have certain social handicaps against them. And we should work on eliminating those, not try to even it out by adding even more discrimination to whites. Two wrongs does not make a right.
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