I'm sitting in a Pro Life meeting right now...

PJBuckeye wrote:

Nobody posts numbers on a website without an agenda. The 1 in 6 number is way off. Has one every six women in your family been raped? Has one of every 6 of your friends been raped? Lets say the average rapist commits two rapes. Has 1 in every twelve guys committed a rape? It is an estimate made up by Feminazis.

No. I judge you for crap like this.

Just happens to be that there are a few of you accountants.

I bet if you had seen the stuff I have seen working in the NYC foster care system you may have a little bit of a different point of view.

PJBuckeye wrote:

Yes my life is unimportant because I am an accountant. Why don't you try aborting me while you are at it. I should feel shame that I have a career that provides my family a good life. Who knows how much I give away to good causes or how I volunteer. Maybe a little, maybe alot. You don't know, but you judge.

I think she's suggesting that accountants are less likely to have as much intimate knowledge of these issues as, say, L&D nurses or social workers.

scb wrote:

I think she's suggesting that accountants are less likely to have as much intimate knowledge of these issues as, say, L&D nurses or social workers.

I think there are different qualifications of knowing right from wrong.

scb wrote:

I think she's suggesting that accountants are less likely to have as much intimate knowledge of these issues as, say, L&D nurses or social workers.

It seems apparent from reading this thread that those of you that have been arguing the pro choice side are a lot more informed and educated about the issue at hand.

These so-called pro-life people like to name call and judge women.

Most of them appear to speak from an extreme misogynistic perspective. It's really scary.

I don't know if I would have an abortion or not. However... I clearly believe it should be legal.

Safe and legal abortions have to be available. Anyone who thinks making them illegal will stop them is obviously clueless.

Oh well. This is a crazy thread!!!

PJBuckeye wrote:

I think there are different qualifications of knowing right from wrong.

But you haven't said anything to back-up your so-called knowledge of write and wrong!

All I'm saying is, you can't judge a (wo)man until you've walked a mile in her shoes - and some people have walked much farther than others.

PJBuckeye wrote:

. Sounds like GTFLYGIRL has the Green Disease.

Wow. That's funny!!!

Do you know what the song is about?

Are you implying that I'm greedy?

Jealous? Huh???

I'm not even SLIGHTLY greedy...

And as a single mom that hasn't worked (because I don't "have to") in almost three years... I am not jealous of other's wealth. I have my own. And I share it. And I donate it. Frequently to NARAL in fact.

Seriously.... Do you know what green disease is about?

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

Wow. That's funny!!!

Do you know what the song is about?

Are you implying that I'm greedy?

Jealous? Huh???

I'm not even SLIGHTLY greedy...

And as a single mom that hasn't worked (because I don't "have to") in almost three years... I am not jealous of other's wealth. I have my own. And I share it. And I donate it. Frequently to NARAL in fact.

Seriously.... Do you know what green disease is about?

OMG!!!

That is so funny!!

OBVIOUSLY he doesn't know what green disease is about. There has not been one thing said by GTFLYGIRL that would imply she was suffering from:

"G-R-E-E-D"

Man. There are some incredibly judgmental people in this world.

PJBuckeye wrote:

She is the one judging by job title. I hope that she is a generous soul, like I hope everyone else is. I just wanna know why she cares about my occupation.

Seems you have said PLENTY to have people judge you on your words and opinions.

I looked at some profiles and it is rather interesting that a FEW of you pro lifers are male accountants....

suppafreak wrote:

Seems you have said PLENTY to have people judge you on your words and opinions.

I looked at some profiles and it is rather interesting that a FEW of you pro lifers are male accountants....

Somebody needs to bring practicality to this board.

scb wrote:

Now this is more like what I’m used to hearing. It’s interesting to me because it seems to take a different tone (judgment-wise) than the previous section of your post, and the issue of multiple abortions seems to be the turning point. I guess everyone has opinions and there’s a fine line between having an opinion and being judgmental, so I’m not saying you’ve crossed that line.

I apologize if my comments seemed preachy, judgmental, or holier than thou. One's concept of personal responsibility varies, but I think that people should be using contraception/protection if they aren't planning to have children (and also to avoid diseases etc) but also rethinking their lifestyle or birth control methods if they need to have repeated abortions. I know it sounds lame, but the ability to have children for some women is a gift and I feel it belittles those women who are unable to have children (at the moment, this includes a good friend of mine) when some women have multiple abortions due to the lives they lead. By lifestyle, I don't mean a lifestyle that is in keeping with Church doctrine. Personally, I just hold the view that excessively promiscuous behaviour is really problematic for everyone involved. I mean really I don't care if you're a guy or a girl who wants to sleep around until your partner tally is in triple figures, but I think in the long run it'll just hurt you. That's the lifestyle I mean. And the people I have known who had several abortions (and by this I mean 3 or more within a two year period) tend to prefer meaningless sex and excessive drinking and drug binges. Don't get me wrong, I am not some conformist puritan, I just think people need to grow up and stop fucking around. Being a potential young teenage mother is one thing, but I am talking about friends of mine who are pushing 30 and spent their lives living quite affluently. As a teacher, I see the effects of people who don't want to grow up and that's the type of lifestyle I'm refering to. In my humble opinion, some people tend to use abortions as a form of contraception and this is my issue because they are hurting themselves in the long run. Moreover, I want to point out that I feel that the majority of women who choose abortions do agonize over these decisions and certainly do live responsible lives. However, I am very bothered by a moral relativist approach that says that morality is up to the individual. It certainly is to a degree and I disagree with the legislation of morality but the decadence and Me-attitude of the West is disturbing.

Eh-I'm kinda going on a rant. To finish, I would just like to say that the whole pro-choice, anti-choice thing is simply a matter of semantics. And my problem with it is that when we label other movements as this or that, we are essentially just name-calling. It's bad enough that we have these arguments, but it's even worse when we attempt to tell our opponents what they actually believe (i.e. "It seems to me that pro-lifers believe that..."). One of the hallmarks of conflict resolution is to better understand the position of our opponent rather than to dictate what that position is in our own biased point of view.

Man. I lurk on this damn board for years and when I decide to finally chime in, I get into a debate that I'm usually on the other side of. I feel like a fifth columnist.

p.s. I want it to be clear that it may seem like I am singling out women when I speak of responsibility, I assure you this is only due to the fact it is their bodies we are talking about. I think that men by far are much worse when it comes to risky behaviour and poor lifestyle choices. Moreover, my views on what I deem to be a pathological lifestyle do not change the fact that I also believe any woman should be able to have an abortion if so she chooses even if she's already had fifty for that matter.