Putin attacks 'dangerous' U.S

Byrnzie · February 2007

Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US

Saturday, 10 February 2007, 12:28 GMT

Russian President Vladimir Putin has attacked the United States for what he said was its "almost uncontained" use of force around the world.

America's "very dangerous" approach to global relations was fuelling a nuclear arms race, he told a security summit.

Correspondents say the strident speech may signal a more assertive Russia.

Earlier German chancellor Angela Merkel told the delegates in Munich that the international community was determined to stop Iran getting nuclear weapons.

Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani is among delegates at the conference.

The conference, founded in 1962, has become an annual opportunity for world leaders to discuss the most pressing issues of the day.

Mr Putin told senior security officials from around the world that nations were "witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations".

"One state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way," the Russian president said.

"This is very dangerous. Nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law," he said, speaking through a translator.

"This is nourishing an arms race with the desire of countries to get nuclear weapons."

BBC defence and security correspondent Rob Watson, in Munich, said Mr Putin's speech was a strident performance.

It may well be remembered as a turning point in international relations and a sign of a more assertive Russia, our correspondent says.

Western leaders in the audience, including Mrs Merkel, looked decidedly glum-faced when President Putin had finished, our correspondent adds.

Earlier, Mrs Merkel told delegates there was "no way around" the need for Tehran to accept demands from the UN and nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

"What we are talking about here is a very, very sensitive technology, and for that reason we need a high degree of transparency, which Iran has failed to provide, and if Iran does not do so then the alternative for Iran is to slip further into isolation," she said.

Mr Larijani was set to tell delegates that Iran wants nuclear power, not nuclear weapons.

"We believe the Iranian nuclear dossier is resolvable by negotiation," Mr Larijani was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying on the sidelines of the conference.

European diplomats are hoping to hold informal talks with Mr Larijani at the two-day summit.

It would be their first meeting since the collapse of talks last year and the imposition of limited UN sanctions on Tehran for its failure to stop the enrichment of uranium.

On Friday, the IAEA said it had frozen about half of technical aid projects involving Iran.

It said the move was to comply with UN sanctions imposed on Tehran late last year over its refusal to halt uranium enrichment.

An IAEA report said 22 technical aid projects involving Iran had been suspended to comply with the UN sanctions, which call for an end to programmes that could be exploited by Iran to develop nuclear weapons.

The IAEA gives technical aid to dozens of countries on the peaceful use of nuclear energy in fields such as medicine, agriculture and power generation.

Pearl Jam and toast · February 2007

Be as American and as proud as you want to be, but the fact that we're "overstepping boundaries" as Putin put it is undeniable.

"This is nourishing an arms race with the desire of countries to get nuclear weapons." Gotta agree with this too.

soulsinging · February 2007

he's right. we need to start being a bit more careful in how we throw our weight around.

Last Exodus · February 2007

Cmon, now we like that former KGB fuckhead Putin? Its his job to take jabs at the U.S. How else is he going to fuel demand for Russian Nuclear Plants and fighter jets.......?

Pearl Jam and toast · February 2007

Last Exodus wrote:

Cmon, now we like that former KGB fuckhead Putin? Its his job to take jabs at the U.S. How else is he going to fuel demand for Russian Nuclear Plants and fighter jets.......?

Okay, attack his motives and his past, but what he said is absolutely true so refute that.

Commy · February 2007

i wanna know why "dangerous" is in quotes. reality clearly shows that statement to be true. the US is a dangerous country.

Ahnimus · February 2007

Last Exodus wrote:

Cmon, now we like that former KGB fuckhead Putin? Its his job to take jabs at the U.S. How else is he going to fuel demand for Russian Nuclear Plants and fighter jets.......?

I kind of like Putin

hailhailkc · February 2007

Like I've said before, the cold war never ended. This is nothing more than Russia standing up for their "little brother" Iran. Russia has deep ties with Iran, not to mention major anti-Jewish sentiment throughout their country, so it should come as no surprise that Putin makes these remarks now that the Iran vs. U.S. rhetoric has been heating up over the recent months.

I can't believe some of you here actually fall for Putin's bullshit...and sit here and talk like you think Putin is ACTUALLY concerned about the "nuclear arms race", or "fear" that the U.S. is supposedly instilling across the globe. Whatever...if you're looking at Putin as some kind of voice of truth or reason, one only needs to take a close look at how he runs his own country to see what type of leader he is. If you can't see through his fake concern for the rest of the world, and this speech for what it is...political bullshit...then I don't know what to tell you.

Putin and Russia are to Iran, Syria and Egypt...what most of you think the U.S. is to Israel. For some reason though...Putin has it right according to some of you...

Of course some of you will just say that at least Putin doesn't go around "invading" countries like Iraq...but we've seen what they do to their own people who try to break away and form a sovereign government...and we all also know who they supply with weapons, money and intelligence. The very terrorists who are blowing up our troops on a daily basis.

Make no mistake, we're at war with Russia in Iraq as much as we're at war with Iran.

Pearl Jam and toast · February 2007

hailhailkc wrote:

Like I've said before, the cold war never ended. This is nothing more than Russia standing up for their "little brother" Iran. Russia has deep ties with Iran, not to mention major anti-Jewish sentiment throughout their country, so it should come as no surprise that Putin makes these remarks now that the Iran vs. U.S. rhetoric has been heating up over the recent months.

I can't believe some of you here actually fall for Putin's bullshit...and sit here and talk like you think Putin is ACTUALLY concerned about the "nuclear arms race", or "fear" that the U.S. is supposedly instilling across the globe. Whatever...if you're looking at Putin as some kind of voice of truth or reason, one only needs to take a close look at how he runs his own country to see what type of leader he is. If you can't see through his fake concern for the rest of the world, and this speech for what it is...political bullshit...then I don't know what to tell you.

Putin and Russia are to Iran, Syria and Egypt...what most of you think the U.S. is to Israel. For some reason though...Putin has it right according to some of you...

Of course some of you will just say that at least Putin doesn't go around "invading" countries like Iraq...but we've seen what they do to their own people who try to break away and form a sovereign government...and we all also know who they supply with weapons, money and intelligence. The very terrorists who are blowing up our troops on a daily basis.

Make no mistake, we're at war with Russia in Iraq as much as we're at war with Iran.

That all may have merit to it, but you cannot possibly be denying what he said about the US.

enharmonic · February 2007

Looks like W is undoing the only good work his father did...de-escalating the cold war and helping bring Democrasy to Russia.

I personally do not want to live through the cold war again. A Democratic, collaborative partner in Russia is critical to the new world order. They are essential partners for the 21st century.

El_Kabong · February 2007

hailhailkc wrote:

Like I've said before, the cold war never ended. This is nothing more than Russia standing up for their "little brother" Iran. Russia has deep ties with Iran, not to mention major anti-Jewish sentiment throughout their country, so it should come as no surprise that Putin makes these remarks now that the Iran vs. U.S. rhetoric has been heating up over the recent months.

I can't believe some of you here actually fall for Putin's bullshit...and sit here and talk like you think Putin is ACTUALLY concerned about the "nuclear arms race", or "fear" that the U.S. is supposedly instilling across the globe. Whatever...if you're looking at Putin as some kind of voice of truth or reason, one only needs to take a close look at how he runs his own country to see what type of leader he is. If you can't see through his fake concern for the rest of the world, and this speech for what it is...political bullshit...then I don't know what to tell you.

Putin and Russia are to Iran, Syria and Egypt...what most of you think the U.S. is to Israel. For some reason though...Putin has it right according to some of you...

Of course some of you will just say that at least Putin doesn't go around "invading" countries like Iraq...but we've seen what they do to their own people who try to break away and form a sovereign government...and we all also know who they supply with weapons, money and intelligence. The very terrorists who are blowing up our troops on a daily basis.

Make no mistake, we're at war with Russia in Iraq as much as we're at war with Iran.

the cold war was bs for a loooong time...nothing more than an excuse to pump funds into a certain industry. encarta encylopedia even lists that during the reagan years they exagerated the russian threat

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761568583_4/Central_Intelligence_Agency.html

President Reagan made good on his promise to rebuild the CIA and secured a major expansion in the budget and personnel of the agency. (The CIA budget was a secret until 1997, when it was officially revealed to be $26.6 billion. Rough estimates suggest that the agency’s budget was about $20 billion in 1981, and that it reached a Cold War high of about $36 billion at the end of the 1980s.....At Reagan’s direction, the CIA created reports that exaggerated the economic and military threat presented by the Soviet Union. The distorted estimates helped Reagan persuade Congress to approve massive funding for the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), a system of space-based defenses against nuclear attack. The Soviet economy, already hobbled by chronic problems, was too weak to support a Soviet military effort to match SDI.

catefrances · February 2007

i miss the cold war. we need to bring it back.

if only for my amusement.

and shit if anyone knows about overstepping one's boundaries it'd be the russians and their former KGB 'fuckhead'(thanks exodus) leader.

Abuskedti · February 2007

hailhailkc wrote:

Like I've said before, the cold war never ended. This is nothing more than Russia standing up for their "little brother" Iran. Russia has deep ties with Iran, not to mention major anti-Jewish sentiment throughout their country, so it should come as no surprise that Putin makes these remarks now that the Iran vs. U.S. rhetoric has been heating up over the recent months.

I can't believe some of you here actually fall for Putin's bullshit...and sit here and talk like you think Putin is ACTUALLY concerned about the "nuclear arms race", or "fear" that the U.S. is supposedly instilling across the globe. Whatever...if you're looking at Putin as some kind of voice of truth or reason, one only needs to take a close look at how he runs his own country to see what type of leader he is. If you can't see through his fake concern for the rest of the world, and this speech for what it is...political bullshit...then I don't know what to tell you.

Putin and Russia are to Iran, Syria and Egypt...what most of you think the U.S. is to Israel. For some reason though...Putin has it right according to some of you...

Of course some of you will just say that at least Putin doesn't go around "invading" countries like Iraq...but we've seen what they do to their own people who try to break away and form a sovereign government...and we all also know who they supply with weapons, money and intelligence. The very terrorists who are blowing up our troops on a daily basis.

Make no mistake, we're at war with Russia in Iraq as much as we're at war with Iran.

Iran is the the US what Israel is to Iran.. and on and on

Rushlimbo · February 2007

hailhailkc wrote:

Make no mistake, we're at war with Russia in Iraq as much as we're at war with Iran.

Explain this please.

fuck · February 2007

hailhailkc wrote:

Like I've said before, the cold war never ended. This is nothing more than Russia standing up for their "little brother" Iran. Russia has deep ties with Iran, not to mention major anti-Jewish sentiment throughout their country, so it should come as no surprise that Putin makes these remarks now that the Iran vs. U.S. rhetoric has been heating up over the recent months.

And he doesn't say it because it's true?

I can't believe some of you here actually fall for Putin's bullshit...and sit here and talk like you think Putin is ACTUALLY concerned about the "nuclear arms race", or "fear" that the U.S. is supposedly instilling across the globe. Whatever...if you're looking at Putin as some kind of voice of truth or reason, one only needs to take a close look at how he runs his own country to see what type of leader he is. If you can't see through his fake concern for the rest of the world, and this speech for what it is...political bullshit...then I don't know what to tell you.

Of course he's concerned about a nuclear arms race. EVERYONE in the world is. And he runs his country a lot better than a certain guy I know does.

Putin and Russia are to Iran, Syria and Egypt...what most of you think the U.S. is to Israel. For some reason though...Putin has it right according to some of you...

That's so true. wait, did Iran invade another country and kill thousands of people? No? didn't think so. does russia supply iran with BILLIONS of dollars of weapons every year to use? while russia does SELL them weapons, it's nowhere near in comparison to US and Israel.

Of course some of you will just say that at least Putin doesn't go around "invading" countries like Iraq...but we've seen what they do to their own people who try to break away and form a sovereign government...and we all also know who they supply with weapons, money and intelligence. The very terrorists who are blowing up our troops on a daily basis.

proof?

in the end, what he said is still true.

Last Exodus · February 2007

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Okay, attack his motives and his past, but what he said is absolutely true so refute that.

See through it. Russia's primary export is war. They love the shit. Where do you think all these little terrorist regimes get their AK's from? Sure some of them are cheap knock offs made in China, but the AK is Russian. The Katyusha...Russian. Migs....Russian. Iranian Nuclear Plant....Russian. Before they struck oil the ONLY commodity Russia had to export was weapons. So war is good for the Russian economy. And what better to make the terrorist regimes buy more Russian weapons than some good old Cold War rhetoric. Ain't buyin it. It's just business. Putin could care less what George W does. He only helps him sell more weapons and nuclearize more unstable countries...So Putin is your fearless leader now...Cmon. Look I dont have a problem with communists, but those on the board who lean that way and post this crap, just come out of your commie closet..We'll still love ya.

Last Exodus · February 2007

Byrnzie wrote:

Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US

Saturday, 10 February 2007, 12:28 GMT

Russian President Vladimir Putin has attacked the United States for what he said was its "almost uncontained" use of force around the world.

America's "very dangerous" approach to global relations was fuelling a nuclear arms race, he told a security summit.

Correspondents say the strident speech may signal a more assertive Russia.

Earlier German chancellor Angela Merkel told the delegates in Munich that the international community was determined to stop Iran getting nuclear weapons.

Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani is among delegates at the conference.

The conference, founded in 1962, has become an annual opportunity for world leaders to discuss the most pressing issues of the day.

Mr Putin told senior security officials from around the world that nations were "witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations".

"One state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way," the Russian president said.

"This is very dangerous. Nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law," he said, speaking through a translator.

"This is nourishing an arms race with the desire of countries to get nuclear weapons."

BBC defence and security correspondent Rob Watson, in Munich, said Mr Putin's speech was a strident performance.

It may well be remembered as a turning point in international relations and a sign of a more assertive Russia, our correspondent says.

Western leaders in the audience, including Mrs Merkel, looked decidedly glum-faced when President Putin had finished, our correspondent adds.

Earlier, Mrs Merkel told delegates there was "no way around" the need for Tehran to accept demands from the UN and nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

"What we are talking about here is a very, very sensitive technology, and for that reason we need a high degree of transparency, which Iran has failed to provide, and if Iran does not do so then the alternative for Iran is to slip further into isolation," she said.

Mr Larijani was set to tell delegates that Iran wants nuclear power, not nuclear weapons.

"We believe the Iranian nuclear dossier is resolvable by negotiation," Mr Larijani was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying on the sidelines of the conference.

European diplomats are hoping to hold informal talks with Mr Larijani at the two-day summit.

It would be their first meeting since the collapse of talks last year and the imposition of limited UN sanctions on Tehran for its failure to stop the enrichment of uranium.

On Friday, the IAEA said it had frozen about half of technical aid projects involving Iran.

It said the move was to comply with UN sanctions imposed on Tehran late last year over its refusal to halt uranium enrichment.

An IAEA report said 22 technical aid projects involving Iran had been suspended to comply with the UN sanctions, which call for an end to programmes that could be exploited by Iran to develop nuclear weapons.

The IAEA gives technical aid to dozens of countries on the peaceful use of nuclear energy in fields such as medicine, agriculture and power generation.

Putin accusing us of fueling the nuclear arms race in the third world when Russia is the country exporting that technology to these countries...Amazing.
And don't start with that Israel has the bomb crap either. The French did that. Not us.

El_Kabong · February 2007

Last Exodus wrote:

See through it. Russia's primary export is war. They love the shit. Where do you think all these little terrorist regimes get their AK's from? Sure some of them are cheap knock offs made in China, but the AK is Russian. The Katyusha...Russian. Migs....Russian. Iranian Nuclear Plant....Russian. Before they struck oil the ONLY commodity Russia had to export was weapons. So war is good for the Russian economy. And what better to make the terrorist regimes buy more Russian weapons than some good old Cold War rhetoric. Ain't buyin it. It's just business. Putin could care less what George W does. He only helps him sell more weapons and nuclearize more unstable countries...So Putin is your fearless leader now...Cmon. Look I dont have a problem with communists, but those on the board who lean that way and post this crap, just come out of your commie closet..We'll still love ya.

can you plz, for just this once, address the fucking point? how did anything pearl jam and toast say even remotely give off the impression that he's his 'fearless leader'????

you are aware that you can agree w/ someone you dislike or normally disagree w/, right? the world isn't so black and white. i dislike putin, i think he's a thug, but how is what he said wrong? that is the point pj&t was asking, the one you are avoiding.

El_Kabong · February 2007

Last Exodus wrote:

The French did that. Not us.

sources?

Last Exodus · February 2007

El_Kabong wrote:

can you plz, for just this once, address the fucking point? how did anything pearl jam and toast say even remotely give off the impression that he's his 'fearless leader'????

you are aware that you can agree w/ someone you dislike or normally disagree w/, right? the world isn't so black and white. i dislike putin, i think he's a thug, but how is what he said wrong? that is the point pj&t was asking, the one you are avoiding.

i dont know who that is. i was responding to the original post...

El_Kabong · February 2007

Last Exodus wrote:

i dont know who that is. i was responding to the original post...

you don't know who it is? look up, he's the one you quoted in that reply.

if the original post is what you meant to reply to then replace pearl jam and toast's name w/ byrnzie...how did anything he said even remotely refelct he thought of putin as his 'fearless leader'??? this is impossible as his original post was nothing more than an article...where does this 'fearless leader' fantasy come into play?

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