I'm sitting in a Pro Life meeting right now...

writersu · July 2008

know1 wrote:

And what percentage of the anti-abortion crowd has ever bombed an abortion clinic?

Well, "thou shalt not kill" has a few different meanings I have been told. It also implies that one should not do anything to kill the spirit of another human being. So, when the protesters stand in front of an abortion clinic, and scream at young girls, "don't KILL YOUR BABY!!", then, to me, that is a form of violence in their "peaceful" protesting.

bootlegger10 · July 2008

writersu wrote:

I second that. I do not clearly know what Jesus would do (WWJD?) as my fellow pompous christians would claim (I purposely did not capitalize the "C" in Christian to point to their lack of credibility in my terms), but I DO know that many of the thoughts and opinions about both people and things have been made up by people who share the same thoughts and ideas so that they SEEM very Jesus-like.
The main thing people forget is that He was humble and said He came for the sick as well as He was there to protect the weak. And some may say that the "weak" could be the fetus'......ok, maybe. But who is to say that the "weak" is not the mother of that fetus who perhaps is ill, poor, abused, on drugs, too young, too crazed, etc............the list goes on.
We tread dangerous ground when we pretend to know what Jesus would do or how He would judge.

sorry,.........

Just because the mother is "weak" does not mean Jesus would support aborting the child. There are responsibilities for actions....Jesus wasn't a get out of jail free card.

What abortion is weakminded, self-centric, undisciplined women (probably 80% of the time) not taking responsibility. It is crazy that women don't realize you can get pregnant from having sex.

cincybearcat · July 2008

bootlegger10 wrote:

Just because the mother is "weak" does not mean Jesus would support aborting the child. There are responsibilities for actions....Jesus wasn't a get out of jail free card.

What abortion is weakminded, self-centric, undisciplined women (probably 80% of the time) not taking responsibility. It is crazy that women don't realize you can get pregnant from having sex.

I wouldn't put this all on the women...they have a partner in this you know.

writersu · July 2008

bootlegger10 wrote:

Just because the mother is "weak" does not mean Jesus would support aborting the child. There are responsibilities for actions....Jesus wasn't a get out of jail free card.

What abortion is weakminded, self-centric, undisciplined women (probably 80% of the time) not taking responsibility. It is crazy that women don't realize you can get pregnant from having sex.

I think that most abortions are done on young women. I could be wrong but I do wonder.........

_ · July 2008

bootlegger10 wrote:

Just because the mother is "weak" does not mean Jesus would support aborting the child. There are responsibilities for actions....Jesus wasn't a get out of jail free card.

I don't believe anyone said Jesus would necessarily support aborting a child. What we said is that he was pro-choice, which means he would be compassionate & non-judgemental toward women no matter what their decision, and realize it is God - not man - to whom they will be held accountable.

bootlegger10 wrote:

What abortion is weakminded, self-centric, undisciplined women (probably 80% of the time) not taking responsibility. It is crazy that women don't realize you can get pregnant from having sex.

Most women realize you can get pregnant from having sex (in the developed world, anyway). That's why most women ARE responsible and disciplined and on birth control. And if you think making the decision to have an abortion is weak-minded and selfish, you obviously have very little (if any) experience with what it's like to make that decision.

Regardless, are you in support of abortion rights for the other 20% of women then?

_ · July 2008

writersu wrote:

I think that most abortions are done on young women. I could be wrong but I do wonder.........

In the U.S., 53% of abortions are by women <25 & 76% of abortions are by women <30.

harmless_little_f*** · July 2008

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Speaking to you, Christian to Christian, what is the greatest gift God has given us? Life? You betcha.

It's been said before, but nope.

Actually I think scb is right on this one. Our reason for being on earth is to love others. Life in itself, as a short time on earth, actually means next to nothing apart from that.

Jesus actually said 'Whoever wants to gain their life will lose it', which essentially means no one can claim a 'right' to life and whoever clings onto it as if it's all there is will learn that all good things come to an end.

Love and compassion, acceptance and understanding - all reasons we're put here. Not simply to enjoy 'life' for its own sake (whatever 'life' is). The problem with people being militantly 'pro-life' is that it immediately tars everyone who isn't as a guilty murderer - which is hardly a Christian stance. 'Pro-life' is a horrible word because by comparison, anyone who isn't must be 'Pro-death'.

Nobody likes abortion. Not even pro-choicers.

VictoryGin · July 2008

scb wrote:

And yet, sadly, these same "reasonable people" don't agree that we should have sytems in place to help people avoid it (e.g. access to birth control, comprehensive sex education).

i for one would LOVE to see increased access to reproductive health care and comprehensive sex ed on the 2008 democratic national platform!

cincybearcat wrote:

I wouldn't put this all on the women...they have a partner in this you know.

sticking up for the ladies, how feminist of you cincy!

SpreadtheJAM · July 2008

The number of abortions that happen due to rape or incest is probably less than one percent. The rest is due to peoples lack of judgement and not fully understanding the consequences of their actions.... That is one big Mulligan if you ask me.

_ · July 2008

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

It's been said before, but nope.

Actually I think scb is right on this one. Our reason for being on earth is to love others. Life in itself, as a short time on earth, actually means next to nothing apart from that.

Jesus actually said 'Whoever wants to gain their life will lose it', which essentially means no one can claim a 'right' to life and whoever clings onto it as if it's all there is will learn that all good things come to an end.

Love and compassion, acceptance and understanding - all reasons we're put here. Not simply to enjoy 'life' for its own sake (whatever 'life' is). The problem with people being militantly 'pro-life' is that it immediately tars everyone who isn't as a guilty murderer - which is hardly a Christian stance. 'Pro-life' is a horrible word because by comparison, anyone who isn't must be 'Pro-death'.

Nobody likes abortion. Not even pro-choicers.

Extremely well-said!

VictoryGin · July 2008

SpreadtheJAM wrote:

The number of abortions that happen due to rape or incest is probably less than one percent. The rest is due to peoples lack of judgement and not fully understanding the consequences of their actions.... That is one big Mulligan if you ask me.

i can't believe it took so long for someone to finally end the mystery of the unintended pregnancy crisis!

americans really must be dumber than all other developed nations because we have the highest teen pregnancy rate of them all!

Vedderlution_Baby · July 2008

VictoryGin wrote:

i can't believe it took so long for someone to finally end the mystery of the unintended pregnancy crisis!

americans really must be dumber than all other developed nations because we have the highest teen pregnancy rate of them all!

That's a whole different thread.

_ · July 2008

SpreadtheJAM wrote:

The number of abortions that happen due to rape or incest is probably less than one percent. The rest is due to peoples lack of judgement and not fully understanding the consequences of their actions.... That is one big Mulligan if you ask me.

It's true that in the U.S. about 1% of abortions are due to reported rape/incest. About 3% are because the mother has a health problem. About 3% are because the fetus has a health problem. Also, 74% of American women who have abortions do so because of concern for and/or responsibility to other individuals and 73% can't afford to have (another) baby at that point. Additionally, 58% of pregnancies that end in abortion were due to concraceptive failure.

_ · July 2008

VictoryGin wrote:

i can't believe it took so long for someone to finally end the mystery of the unintended pregnancy crisis!

americans really must be dumber than all other developed nations because we have the highest teen pregnancy rate of them all!

It's not Americans per se who are dumb... just our so-called leaders! :rolleyes:

cincybearcat · July 2008

scb wrote:

It's true that in the U.S. about 1% of abortions are due to reported rape/incest. About 3% are because the mother has a health problem. About 3% are because the fetus has a health problem. Also, 74% of American women who have abortions do so because of concern for and/or responsibility to other individuals and 73% can't afford to have (another) baby at that point. Additionally, 58% of pregnancies that end in abortion were due to concraceptive failure.

How do they get this information? I'm guessing an interview/paperwork filled out by the individual getting the abortion.

Honestly, I think that 58% of abortions from "contraception failure" is probably misrepresented significantly. But I have no data to proove that. Just that if I were having an abortion and someone asked why, I wouldn;t say that I didn't use a contraceptive, I'd blame it on the contraceptive failing...if you catch my drift.

Anyhow, for the 1% from rape, etc...as a society we need to create an environment where woman feel comfortable and free to report all cases...and prosecute harshly any rapist...that should help reduce that number.

For the 3% due to a mother's health...if the mother's life is in danger, an abortion seems like a reasonable option, and a tough one ot make for the family, but certainly reasonable.

For the 3% due to the baby's health, I'd like to know more about this...it scares me that we may end up with a society where we get rid of everyone that isn't "normal"...not saying that's what this is all about, but it worries me. Liek a baby that has Down's...do they stay or do they go?

For the remaining 93%, we need a comprehensive sex education program. We need to let people know where affordable contraception is available. That shoudl drive those numbers down.

In the end, we will hopefully have a society that values life...is educated...and takes responsibilty.

roar · July 2008

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

it's already too late

yeah and most of them are pro-guns too....but will always argue of course that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." true...but it's very hard to kill someone without a gun.

He's at a Catholic Diocese conference and Catholic teaching values life...therefore, we are against abortion and capital punishment. Most Catholics are not "pro-war" nor "pro-gun".

I'm Catholic and Pro-LIFE in every way you can apply it.

"Life is an opportunity, benefit from it.
Life is beauty, admire it.
Life is bliss, taste it.
Life is a dream, realize it.
Life is a challenge, meet it.
Life is a duty, complete it.
Life is a game, play it.
Life is a promise, fulfill it.
Life is sorrow, overcome it.
Life is a song, sing it.
Life is a struggle, accept it.
Life is a tragedy, confront it.
Life is an adventure, dare it.
Life is luck, make it.
Life is too precious, do not destroy it.
Life is life, fight for it."
-Mother Teresa

harmless_little_f*** · July 2008

roar wrote:

He's at a Catholic Diocese conference and Catholic teaching values life...therefore, we are against abortion and capital punishment. Most Catholics are not "pro-war" nor "pro-gun".

I'm Catholic and Pro-LIFE in every way you can apply it.

"Life is an opportunity, benefit from it.
Life is beauty, admire it.
Life is bliss, taste it.
Life is a dream, realize it.
Life is a challenge, meet it.
Life is a duty, complete it.
Life is a game, play it.
Life is a promise, fulfill it.
Life is sorrow, overcome it.
Life is a song, sing it.
Life is a struggle, accept it.
Life is a tragedy, confront it.
Life is an adventure, dare it.
Life is luck, make it.
Life is too precious, do not destroy it.
Life is life, fight for it."
-Mother Teresa

I don't mean to be a Cynical Simon but did she actually write that or did it just say it in an emotionally manipulative chain e-mail?

meistereder · July 2008

cincybearcat wrote:

How do they get this information? I'm guessing an interview/paperwork filled out by the individual getting the abortion.

Honestly, I think that 58% of abortions from "contraception failure" is probably misrepresented significantly. But I have no data to proove that. Just that if I were having an abortion and someone asked why, I wouldn;t say that I didn't use a contraceptive, I'd blame it on the contraceptive failing...if you catch my drift.

Anyhow, for the 1% from rape, etc...as a society we need to create an environment where woman feel comfortable and free to report all cases...and prosecute harshly any rapist...that should help reduce that number.

For the 3% due to a mother's health...if the mother's life is in danger, an abortion seems like a reasonable option, and a tough one ot make for the family, but certainly reasonable.

For the 3% due to the baby's health, I'd like to know more about this...it scares me that we may end up with a society where we get rid of everyone that isn't "normal"...not saying that's what this is all about, but it worries me. Liek a baby that has Down's...do they stay or do they go?

For the remaining 93%, we need a comprehensive sex education program. We need to let people know where affordable contraception is available. That shoudl drive those numbers down.

In the end, we will hopefully have a society that values life...is educated...and takes responsibilty.

My mother is a retired special education teacher. She had a family who had five children with Down Syndrome. Strict Catholics -- no birth control, no abortions.

Obviously, this is a personal choice (as of right now). But I mention it because you brought up Down's. I think for me it would be a no-brainer.

meistereder · July 2008

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

I don't mean to be a Cynical Simon but did she actually write that or did it just say it in an emotionally manipulative chain e-mail?

The vast majority of these things are not actually written by the purported author. Most of it is internet b.s. that is passed on blindly by people who want to believe it came from where it did.

Also, in case anyone isn't sure, fear does not mean "False Emotions Appearing Real."

roar · July 2008

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

I don't mean to be a Cynical Simon but did she actually write that or did it just say it in an emotionally manipulative chain e-mail?

That's a valid question...I've never fact checked it. I think so, but regardless of the source, I love the message. I have it on a bookmark! ha.

I'm sitting in a Pro Life meeting right now...

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